Muslim Father's Honor Killing

[Victorian Gray]

What's good for the goose is good for the gander,

the bible was used to justify the CULTURE of slavery in the south and the reason to exclude black people from many white only things,

The reason the southerners used religion to justify their culture of slavery is because god can't be questioned, and in order to question slavery one has to question the religion itself,

don't remember any of you apologists coming to the defense of Christianity in that regard trying to separate the religion from culture, rather you made it a talking point.



Islam is no different, and until you pretend liberal apologists hold it to the same standard as all other religions in a secular state you will be living in denial while giving Islamists an unspoken free pass to do as they please.

blah, blah, blah.

What does any of what you posted have to do with the simple fact that, so-called, honour killing are committed in a variety of cultures/ethnic groups by people that follow a number of different religions?

 

[Exophase]

Putin had it right -- Hey you're more than welcome to immigrate our country. But when you're here, you follow our laws. Not your native laws. If you want to live under Shiria law, then live somewhere where Shiria law is the law.

That's how everywhere works. It's not like the German courts are going to let this guy off the hook.

 

[DrDoug]

Whelp, that explains Pedo Bear...lol! Should we call him Father Pedo Bear? :biggrin:

 

[werepossum]

"The twin notions of "honour" and of "shame" and their use as justifications for violence and homicide can be found in many cultures. Honour killings have historical roots in many regions of the world including Latin America, Europe, the Middle East and South Asia. In some Arab and South Asian states, where modern-day incidences of honour killings are more predominant, the practice of honour killings likely originates from ancient Arab culture, with its roots from Pakistan.

However, honour killings are not associated with particular religions or religious practice: they have been recorded across Christian, Jewish, Sikh, Hindu and Muslim communities. Often, honour killings are not a religiously motivated crime, but are based on personal agendas, personal ego and personal mindset. In some cases, there are psychological connotations, as studies have shown that some perpetrators have undiagnosed mental illness and psychopathic traits or disorders."

http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/cj-jp/fv-vf/hk-ch/p5.html

Amazing that no matter how many times you repeat that, people insist on trusting observed reality. When will people learn that PC supersedes reality?

You can take the people out of an islamic country but you can't take islamic honor traditions out of the people.

Edit: In High School I was dating this Bangladeshi chick. Always short skirts, push up bra.. liked spending my time with her but then all of a sudden didn't come to school and when I called her no reply on her phone - just disconnected and I never knew what happened to that girl.

Sometimes you can. When my daughter was in the hospital after her accident, the other spinal trauma patient was a young Muslim man. I had hours to speak with the father, who was Pakistani IIRC. One of his concerns was the effect of America on his children, who were firmly American, when he wanted them to be proper, respectful, obedient, traditional Muslims. What he DID NOT speak about was wanting to kill them, even though they were behaving in a manner that really, really displeased him and (he thought) G-d.

Other hand, I attended college with a beautiful Jordanian girl. She was not promiscuous but was sexually active and eventually bore a child out of wedlock. I ran into her years after college and learned about the child, and she specifically said she could never go home, even for a visit, because her mother would murder her for bringing shame to the family.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander,

the bible was used to justify the CULTURE of slavery in the south and the reason to exclude black people from many white only things,

The reason the southerners used religion to justify their culture of slavery is because god can't be questioned, and in order to question slavery one has to question the religion itself,

don't remember any of you apologists coming to the defense of Christianity in that regard trying to separate the religion from culture, rather you made it a talking point.



Islam is no different, and until you pretend liberal apologists hold it to the same standard as all other religions in a secular state you will be living in denial while giving Islamists an unspoken free pass to do as they please.

Maybe it's because I lived in the sticks, but I didn't take issue with using the Bible to defend slavery because we didn't have Internet service. In fact, honestly I don't remember anything before 1865. Maybe I was drunk that century . . .

 

[woolfe9998]

"The twin notions of "honour" and of "shame" and their use as justifications for violence and homicide can be found in many cultures. Honour killings have historical roots in many regions of the world including Latin America, Europe, the Middle East and South Asia. In some Arab and South Asian states, where modern-day incidences of honour killings are more predominant, the practice of honour killings likely originates from ancient Arab culture, with its roots from Pakistan.

However, honour killings are not associated with particular religions or religious practice: they have been recorded across Christian, Jewish, Sikh, Hindu and Muslim communities. Often, honour killings are not a religiously motivated crime, but are based on personal agendas, personal ego and personal mindset. In some cases, there are psychological connotations, as studies have shown that some perpetrators have undiagnosed mental illness and psychopathic traits or disorders."

http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/cj-jp/fv-vf/hk-ch/p5.html

According to this survey, 91% of honor killings are committed by Muslims:

http://www.meforum.org/2646/worldwide-trends-in-honor-killings

While honor killings may strictly speaking be a "cultural" phenomenon, culture and religion are inseparable, particularly in cultures with high average religiosity. For example, it may be that honor killings aren't sanctioned by Islamic scripture, but treating women like chattel is. In a culture where women are treated like second class citizens, honor killings are obviously more likely.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Amazing that no matter how many times you repeat that, people insist on trusting observed reality. When will people learn that PC supersedes reality?

The reality *is* that so-called honour killings occur across cultures/ethnic groups/religions. That's not 'PC', that's a real, observable fact.

 

[Zorkorist]

According to this survey, 91% of honor killings are committed by Muslims:

http://www.meforum.org/2646/worldwide-trends-in-honor-killings

While honor killings may strictly speaking be a "cultural" phenomenon, culture and religion are inseparable, particularly in cultures with high average religiosity. For example, it may be that honor killings aren't sanctioned by Islamic scripture, but treating women like chattel is. In a culture where women are treated like second class citizens, honor killings are obviously more likely.

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-John

 

[werepossum]

The reality *is* that so-called honour killings occur across cultures/ethnic groups/religions. That's not 'PC', that's a real, observable fact.

When you claim that honor killings are not very strongly associated with Islam when Muslims are (using Wolfe's numbers) committing over 90% of them, that is ONLY PC. It isn't even a decent attempt at being anything but PC.

Bet you too find Caitlin Jenner to be a stunning hero, eh Bro?

 

[shira]

What I want to know is the following:

In America, if we count the number of Islamic girls murdered by their fathers every year and compare that to the total number of girls (regardless of religious affiliation) murdered by their fathers every year, is the percentage greater, smaller, or the same as the percentage of girls who are Islamic in the U.S.?

Because unless it can be shown that American Muslims are disproportionately more likely to murder their daughters than the general population, I don't understand why this article is even being discussed.

 

[woolfe9998]

What I want to know is the following:

In America, if we count the number of Islamic girls murdered by their fathers every year and compare that to the total number of girls (regardless of religious affiliation) murdered by their fathers every year, is the percentage greater, smaller, or the same as the percentage of girls who are Islamic in the U.S.?

Because unless it can be shown that American Muslims are disproportionately more likely to murder their daughters than the general population, I don't understand why this article is even being discussed.

The article is about a single case. It is being discussed because we post news stories on this forum about particular events and we use them to catalyze a discussion about the broader issue.

As to your formulation, I seriously doubt such statistics are available. And why confine the discussion to only the US? The events described in the OP happened in Germany anyway.

 

[Zorkorist]

How many American Muslims do you see forcing their wives to wear habib/full body armor?

Over there, people are killed for not wearing habib/full body armor.

-John

 

[woolfe9998]

In related news, I found this gem from a Pew poll:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...of-women-can-be-at-least-sometimes-justified/

40% of Pakistanis think it is "sometimes" or "often" OK to murder a female family member for committing adultery. But hey, if it's a male family member, it's only 33%. I have to give them credit, they are (almost) egalitarian in their homicidal world view.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

When you claim that honor killings are not very strongly associated with Islam when Muslims are (using Wolfe's numbers) committing over 90% of them, that is ONLY PC. It isn't even a decent attempt at being anything but PC.

Bet you too find Caitlin Jenner to be a stunning hero, eh Bro?

I saw that South Park, good episode. I missed the ending what did Cartman do with the pregnant Mexicans & the taco launcher?

 

[Zorkorist]

http://southpark.cc.com/



-John

 

[Victorian Gray]

When you claim that honor killings are not very strongly associated with Islam when Muslims are (using Wolfe's numbers) committing over 90% of them, that is ONLY PC. It isn't even a decent attempt at being anything but PC.

Bet you too find Caitlin Jenner to be a stunning hero, eh Bro?

Hey "Bro", no, actually I find her to be a rather pathetic asshole, just like the rest of the Jenner/Kardashian clan.

But hey, nice try. Try aiming the spew more accurately next time.

 

[Victorian Gray]

What I want to know is the following:

In America, if we count the number of Islamic girls murdered by their fathers every year and compare that to the total number of girls (regardless of religious affiliation) murdered by their fathers every year, is the percentage greater, smaller, or the same as the percentage of girls who are Islamic in the U.S.?

Because unless it can be shown that American Muslims are disproportionately more likely to murder their daughters than the general population, I don't understand why this article is even being discussed.

Because Islam dude!!!!!!!!!

 

[MagickMan]

Father strangles daughter for shoplifting condoms. I don't know why this is a problem. Shiria Law says it A-Okay. Called an Honor Killing. But it happened in Germany. Not A-Okay... yet. And the mother, she has a history too. Beat the same daughter with a stick and burnt her hand on a hot stove.

http://nypost.com/2015/09/29/muslim-father-kills-daughter-caught-shoplifting-condoms/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-condoms-sex-forbidden-boyfriend-Germany.html

Righteous kill. Another glorious victory for the "Religion of Peace". :thumbsup:

 

[ivwshane]

He didn't claim that! Why do you insist on being so dishonest with peoples arguements?

He was merely pointing out that honor killings are not unique to the Muslim religion. He made no claim about how strong that association is.

When you claim that honor killings are not very strongly associated with Islam when Muslims are (using Wolfe's numbers) committing over 90% of them, that is ONLY PC. It isn't even a decent attempt at being anything but PC.

Bet you too find Caitlin Jenner to be a stunning hero, eh Bro?

 

[Jaskalas]

I think it's perfectly legitimate to blame religion in these cases when the people involved are of a religious culture that is a misogynistic nirvana. It is essentially public and religious law over there (no distinction) that these women are property. Pieces of meat to be dispensed with as their males please.

That, I think, is the crux of modern day honor killings.
The problem is it requires western law, western culture, to protect them.
To enshrine woman and minorities as humans and not property.

 

[pcgeek11]

According to Mike Huckabee his religious freedom should outrank her rights (like living).

I think you are lying. Mike never said that.

 

[pcgeek11]

What's good for the goose is good for the gander,

the bible was used to justify the CULTURE of slavery in the south and the reason to exclude black people from many white only things,

The reason the southerners used religion to justify their culture of slavery is because god can't be questioned, and in order to question slavery one has to question the religion itself,

don't remember any of you apologists coming to the defense of Christianity in that regard trying to separate the religion from culture, rather you made it a talking point.



Islam is no different, and until you pretend liberal apologists hold it to the same standard as all other religions in a secular state you will be living in denial while giving Islamists an unspoken free pass to do as they please.

Poster doesn't know crap about US Southern History. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[justoh]

The reality *is* that so-called honour killings occur across cultures/ethnic groups/religions. That's not 'PC', that's a real, observable fact.

If you like muslims so much, why don't you marry them (with the father's permission, of course)?

 

[Victorian Gray]

If you like muslims so much, why don't you marry them (with the father's permission, of course)?

Polly want a cracker?

 

[Victorian Gray]

He didn't claim that! Why do you insist on being so dishonest with peoples arguements?

He was merely pointing out that honor killings are not unique to the Muslim religion. He made no claim about how strong that association is.

It's not like he doesn't understand what he's doing. <shrug>

 

[justoh]

Polly want a cracker?

That's racist. Why always up so late anyway?