Muslim Father's Honor Killing

TheGardener

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Father strangles daughter for shoplifting condoms. I don't know why this is a problem. Shiria Law says it A-Okay. Called an Honor Killing. But it happened in Germany. Not A-Okay... yet. And the mother, she has a history too. Beat the same daughter with a stick and burnt her hand on a hot stove.

http://nypost.com/2015/09/29/muslim-father-kills-daughter-caught-shoplifting-condoms/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-condoms-sex-forbidden-boyfriend-Germany.html

Killer Asadullah, who speaks no German, said he 'loved' his daughter.
 

Meghan54

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But it happened in Germany. Not A-Okay... yet.


I do like the "subtle" fright dig with the word "yet".

And seems you forget to mention that the couple is currently on trial for murder. Seems "yet" is yet to happen, any time soon.

Khan and his wife, originally from Pakistan, are on trial for murder at the State Court in Darmstadt. Shazia.
 

Exophase

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What a vile, backwards, violent, woman hating piece of scum. To think someone would do this in the name of "honor." I can hardly think of anything that would bring more shame to their household than what he engaged in. While I sympathize with his wife knowing she was surely abused into submission by this man this does not elevate to an excuse for refusing to get the police to intervene on behalf of her own daughter's life.

And let's face it, this is a real cultural problem, not some fringe lunatic activity that occurs in a vacuum. Both the intense shame and anger felt by one's female family member not conforming to their norms and demands and the feeling that it's so severe that murder is actually justified. These are not things that one formulates on their own without outside tradition and pressure.
 
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The sooner we eradicate this religion the better.


However you might have meant this, your comment is absolutely unacceptable on our forums.

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Homerboy

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Putin had it right -- Hey you're more than welcome to immigrate our country. But when you're here, you follow our laws. Not your native laws. If you want to live under Shiria law, then live somewhere where Shiria law is the law.
 

realibrad

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That's so unfair! Obviously he's just using religion to justify his actions. It's only natural for a father to want to strangle his daughter.

Lol, lots of porn with that theme though. All the ones I have seen are step dads, but still dads strangling the daughters. To think of it though, its usually with an object and not so much hands...
 

runzwithsizorz

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I could be wrong, but I believe this father was an islamist, and NOT a Muslim.
In the passed, I lumped all into one group, terrorist, or potential terrorist. But I was wrong, for I was unaware that there was a new updated, rewritten, totally cool, reinterpreted, and tolerant quran.
 
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Newbian

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Sounds to me like the daughter did not learn her previous lesson when her mom beat her so she should had known better. :rolleyes:


One messed up family.
 
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Putin had it right -- Hey you're more than welcome to immigrate our country. But when you're here, you follow our laws. Not your native laws. If you want to live under Shiria law, then live somewhere where Shiria law is the law.

Wait there are places telling people to come there and NOT follow their laws?
 
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"The twin notions of "honour" and of "shame" and their use as justifications for violence and homicide can be found in many cultures. Honour killings have historical roots in many regions of the world including Latin America, Europe, the Middle East and South Asia. In some Arab and South Asian states, where modern-day incidences of honour killings are more predominant, the practice of honour killings likely originates from ancient Arab culture, with its roots from Pakistan.

However, honour killings are not associated with particular religions or religious practice: they have been recorded across Christian, Jewish, Sikh, Hindu and Muslim communities. Often, honour killings are not a religiously motivated crime, but are based on personal agendas, personal ego and personal mindset. In some cases, there are psychological connotations, as studies have shown that some perpetrators have undiagnosed mental illness and psychopathic traits or disorders."

http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/cj-jp/fv-vf/hk-ch/p5.html
 

justoh

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Yes. Religion is a mental illness. Duh. Does the pope shit in the woods?
 

BurnItDwn

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Murder is illegal. You cant murder other people, even if you are a deranged psychopath who thinks its gods will.
 

Hugo Drax

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Technically according to republicans he was exercising his religious right. So he should be held in high standing just like that clerk who refuses to do her job.
 

DrDoug

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Some Muslims believe in honor killings and some American husbands believe in wiping out their whole family if his wife decides to leave him. Murder is murder, no matter what lens you filter it through.
 

Indus

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You can take the people out of an islamic country but you can't take islamic honor traditions out of the people.

Edit: In High School I was dating this Bangladeshi chick. Always short skirts, push up bra.. liked spending my time with her but then all of a sudden didn't come to school and when I called her no reply on her phone - just disconnected and I never knew what happened to that girl.
 
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justoh

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Haha I'll finish it.
Is the Bear Catholic?

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JEDIYoda

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Putin had it right -- Hey you're more than welcome to immigrate our country. But when you're here, you follow our laws. Not your native laws. If you want to live under Shiria law, then live somewhere where Shiria law is the law.
actually Putin never said that....lol
 

1prophet

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"The twin notions of "honour" and of "shame" and their use as justifications for violence and homicide can be found in many cultures. Honour killings have historical roots in many regions of the world including Latin America, Europe, the Middle East and South Asia. In some Arab and South Asian states, where modern-day incidences of honour killings are more predominant, the practice of honour killings likely originates from ancient Arab culture, with its roots from Pakistan.

However, honour killings are not associated with particular religions or religious practice: they have been recorded across Christian, Jewish, Sikh, Hindu and Muslim communities. Often, honour killings are not a religiously motivated crime, but are based on personal agendas, personal ego and personal mindset. In some cases, there are psychological connotations, as studies have shown that some perpetrators have undiagnosed mental illness and psychopathic traits or disorders."

http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/cj-jp/fv-vf/hk-ch/p5.html

What's good for the goose is good for the gander,

the bible was used to justify the CULTURE of slavery in the south and the reason to exclude black people from many white only things,

The reason the southerners used religion to justify their culture of slavery is because god can't be questioned, and in order to question slavery one has to question the religion itself,

don't remember any of you apologists coming to the defense of Christianity in that regard trying to separate the religion from culture, rather you made it a talking point.



Islam is no different, and until you pretend liberal apologists hold it to the same standard as all other religions in a secular state you will be living in denial while giving Islamists an unspoken free pass to do as they please.

Conditions that still allow honour killings to happen today

Why are honour killings still prevalent, especially in Islamic countries and among Muslims, despite the fact that the Quran does not officially condone them? While it is true that tribal cultural ways3 sometimes take precedent over religious beliefs, it can be argued that the following verses of the Quran indirectly encourage this despicable practice.

Surah 18, Al-Kahf (The Cave), verses 66 – 84, mention that a boy was killed because he was about to bring his parents grief and dishonour through his unbelief. Muslim commentators are not in agreement whether the servant of Allah who murdered the boy was an angel or a prophet. The important fact is that Allah wanted him to be dead because the boy would bring future dishonour to them.

According to Surah 24, An-Nur, (Light) verse 2, the punishment for adultery is 100 stripes, contrary to hadiths found in Sahih Bukhari, 2.413, 8.805, 814, and 819, where it is stoning to death. Islam prescribes that the family should refer to the law, rather than carrying out their own punishment.
Surah 4, An-Nisā' (The Women), verses 34-35 state that men are in charge of women, being their protectors and maintainers. What happens if they fail in their duty to keep them out of harm’s way or women are simply unwilling to reconcile?

The pressure of the Muslim community is on men to control the wives and daughters entrusted to them. In order to keep the honour of the family, be it for cultural or religious reasons, the strain could become so great that murder seems to be the only answer.



Surah 3, Al-i-‘Imran verse 110 proclaims, “You are the best nation produced [as an example] for mankind. You enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and believe in Allah....” (Sahih International Translation)
Traditionally, this verse has been understood to be addressed to Muslims and Arabs.


“Anyone who becomes a Muslim becomes an Arab.”4 There is no distinction between Islam and culture. Islam is the culture of the Arabs. Anything a Muslim traditionally does in his culture is inherent to Islam, whether or not it is in the Qur’an.



Muslims aim to follow their Arab prophet in the way he dressed, kept his beard, ate, dealt with his enemies towards the end of his life,5 etc. There are many beautiful aspects in Arabic culture that are indeed worthy of copying, such as poetry, proverbs and wisdom, humour, intuition, romance, hospitality, loyalty and courage.


However, as with all cultures, some aspects are bad, such as superstition, disunity, pride, temper, carelessness, lack of organisation, resistance to authority, pessimism and revenge. Blood revenge still exists in Arab villages. Revenge killings are common among Arab families and tribes. Take for example the animosity between Shi'a and Sunni Muslims that still exists today. It can to a great extent be traced back to their violent ways of determining a successor for their common prophet of Islam.6 Since to be a Muslim is to be an Arab it is quite possible to justify honour killings in that way by labeling them as part of the Islamic system.



A hadith used by some Muslims who follow the Shafi school of Islamic law within Sunni Islam justifies female genital mutilation to reduce their sexual drive. It is hoped that this practice would help to protect women from an otherwise increased risk of losing the honour of their families.7


Narrated Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah: A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet ... said to her: Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.8