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Muslim Cleric Blames Vicitms of Cologne Attacks

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Captain Picard

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-sex-attacks-victims-fault-wore-PERFUME.html

It's official, the women of Europe bring misfortune on themselves by not wearing ankle length trashbags and eschewing perfume. As we can read in the news about the muslim world however, even that is no guarantee of safety.

Somehow though, this sentiment will be defended by some. Not just by random Joe-blows in the forum, but by people all the way to the highest offices of Western governments.

Would you vote in support of that sentiment? I sincerely hope the electoral systems in Europe's countries are up to the task of responding to the citizen's desire to preserve native culture and values. Regardless of whether or not government actors can be replaced and immigration policy reversed, there will be blood. The longer that political step takes, the more there will be. If that step never happens, culturally native Europeans will be forced to fight, flee, or submit. Submission, especially when brought about through force, is what islam is all about.

The notion that we should "be more like Europe" makes me laugh. Unfortunately a lot of you buy into that notion.
 
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That's no surprise in fact it's to be expected. Talk to me when the government says the women brought it on themselves.

The fact that the Islamic cleric said that should not surprise anyone.
 
Thankfully feminists already came up with the answer to this - "Tell rapists Muslims not to rape Jihad people". That ought to fix it.
 
Captain Picard said:
The notion that we should "be more like Europe" makes me laugh. Unfortunately a lot of you buy into that notion.
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Oh so you don't want high speed trains, autobahn's, mandatory paid maternity leave and people wanting the government to help pay the cost of higher education so people can be productive members of society rather than bums.. got it! Now go mop the floor Ensign Picard! Make it so!
 
Indus said:
Oh so you don't want high speed trains, autobahn's, mandatory paid maternity leave and people wanting the government to help pay the cost of higher education so people can be productive members of society rather than bums.. got it! Now go mop the floor Ensign Picard! Make it so!
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I think he is referencing the open door policy to violent Muslims who are bent on the destruction of secular democracy. Something that any good humanist would oppose.
 
bshole said:
I think he is referencing the open door policy to violent Muslims who are bent on the destruction of secular democracy. Something that any good humanist would oppose.
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Open door policy is stupid but what conservaterrorists want is a total closed door i.e. total authoritarianism and ethnic cleansing.

Not milk white.. get the fuck out even if you are a citizen.

Just look at the conservaterrorists calling for the deportation of the governor of the Great State of South Carolina.
 
Silly me I was expecting the article to somehow misconstrue the words of this cleric.

but he straight up says it was the women's fault. The women are the ones that added, "fuel to the fire"

wow. That is messed up.
 
Indus said:
Open door policy is stupid but what conservaterrorists want is a total closed door i.e. total authoritarianism and ethnic cleansing.

Not milk white.. get the fuck out even if you are a citizen.

Just look at the conservaterrorists calling for the deportation of the governor of the Great State of South Carolina.
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The left wants to keep people out too. Look at how people on the left feel about foreign workers taking high paying jobs.
 
shortylickens said:
The liberals are gonna be angry when they dont know who to side with.
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Why do you think a liberal would side with the views of a religious extremist?

Liberals (in general) aren't in favor of Muslim beliefs, they are in favor of allowing Muslims to have those beliefs.

You can support a group existing without supporting the message they espouse.
 
OrByte said:
Silly me I was expecting the article to somehow misconstrue the words of this cleric.

but he straight up says it was the women's fault. The women are the ones that added, "fuel to the fire"

wow. That is messed up.
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I too felt I had to check the original article to make sure that Breitbart (and by extension Daily Mail) didn't mangle their words.

Original source here:

http://ren.tv/novosti/2016-01-17/im...-bezhency-nasiluyut-nemok-iz-za-ih-priyatnogo

Google translation:

In an exclusive interview with reporters REN TV local imam told one of his sermons. "We need to react properly, do not add fuel to the fire. To speak, to look for solutions. And if someone attacks on others, insults them, it may be a dangerous situation. One of the reasons (why migrants are raped girls) - how were dressed themselves women. If they walk half-naked, use perfume, and then things happen. A man, a woman ... It's like a splash of oil into the fire ... "- said to our correspondents imam" Al-Tawhid "in Cologne Sami Abu Yusuf .
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It's pretty crude but I don't think the meaning is straightforward enough. He believes that the women were sexually assaulted based on their dress and use of perfume.

Interestingly, other people have been claiming that the Cologne incident was an organized pickpocketing campaign and that the sexual contact was a distraction measure and not just an impulse of horny men. If that's true their attire wouldn't have mattered.
 
CountZero said:
Why do you think a liberal would side with the views of a religious extremist?

Liberals (in general) aren't in favor of Muslim beliefs, they are in favor of allowing Muslims to have those beliefs.

You can support a group existing without supporting the message they espouse.
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This is way to nuanced for many unfortunately.
 
CountZero said:
Why do you think a liberal would side with the views of a religious extremist?

Liberals (in general) aren't in favor of Muslim beliefs, they are in favor of allowing Muslims to have those beliefs.

You can support a group existing without supporting the message they espouse.
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It isn't siding with extremists per say, but excusing or apologizing for their behavior when you would never do that with other religions or beliefs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQlZNZpdmfU

The best way to support Islam and Muslims as a liberal is by treating them the same way you treat other religions in a secular state and in turn expecting them to respect the rights and liberties of others in that secular state just like all other religions are expected to.
 
brycejones said:
This is way to nuanced for many unfortunately.
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I really don't think it stops at advocating allowing people to have beliefs. There's been a lot of backlash against people who criticize the teachings in Islam or aspects of predominantly Muslim cultures.
 
Exophase said:
I really don't think it stops at advocating allowing people to have beliefs. There's been a lot of backlash against people who criticize the teachings in Islam or aspects of predominantly Muslim cultures.
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The backlash is not unfounded.

Liberals don't generally (though I'm sure there are exceptions) go around claiming the teachings of WBC represent "the teachings in Christianity". They don't go around claiming that because someone shot an abortion doctor that means all Christians are like that. They do not claim all Catholics are pedophiles because of the abhorrent way the Catholic church dealt with that issue. Yet these same groups that enjoy the benefit of the doubt in regards to their beliefs are all too quick to throw every Muslim under the bus.

You did it in your statement when you lumped it all into "teachings in Islam" as if there is no difference in how those teachings are interpreted. Look at all of the Christian denominations teaching from supposedly the same source and coming to wildly different ideas of what it means.

The issue is, always has been and always will be fundamentalism. That Islam has by far the largest number of fundamentalist nut jobs does not mean you get to declare Muslims the problem.

Edit to add: The backlash is not always unfounded. I agree with criticism in how their countries are run with respect to women and gay rights, any backlash from those criticisms seems unwarranted.
 
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CountZero said:
You did it in your statement when you lumped it all into "teachings in Islam" as if there is no difference in how those teachings are interpreted. Look at all of the Christian denominations teaching from supposedly the same source and coming to wildly different ideas of what it means.
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I don't think that all contents of a holy book deemed authoritative like the Quran or Bible should be above scrutiny just because they're interpreted different ways. Some statements have pretty unambiguous meaning and implications and frankly I find it intellectually dishonest to insist otherwise.

Or we could start doing this with everything. Can't criticize the constitution because its statements are open to interpretation. Can't criticize Mein Kampf because its statements are open to interpretation.

How can sources be simultaneously viewed as authoritative or even meaningful at all while also being completely ambiguous?
 
It doesn't seem all that surprising, unfortunately. We have plenty of cases of our own idiot conservatives blaming the victims of sexual assault, calling them sluts, or saying they were asking for it because their skirts were too short, they were drunk, etc.
 
Bowfinger said:
It doesn't seem all that surprising, unfortunately. We have plenty of cases of our own idiot conservatives blaming the victims of sexual assault, calling them sluts, or saying they were asking for it because their skirts were too short, they were drunk, etc.
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Yeah but it feels like this has been on the decline, or at least people here are less willing to do it openly.

The drunk part is kind of its own can of worms because a big part of that "debate" is about people who literally are asking for it whole drunk, and the question shifts to whether or not they were in a position to provide consent.
 
Indus said:
Open door policy is stupid but what conservaterrorists want is a total closed door i.e. total authoritarianism and ethnic cleansing.

Not milk white.. get the fuck out even if you are a citizen.

Just look at the conservaterrorists calling for the deportation of the governor of the Great State of South Carolina.
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That sounds racist. So there are no Muslim white people? What your saying is only dark skinned and black people fall under the Muslim category.
 
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