Multiple attacks in Paris

[SP33Demon]

And yet there's not shortage of Christian violence. Go figure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_troubles

So a reference to one geopolitical civil war conflict in a small country is your example of modern "Christian violence"? Ok sure. Isn't it interesting that in a country with 325 million (U.S.), Catholics and Protestants get along just fine? Isn't it interesting that Islam acts of terror span almost every westernized and third world countries (and not just a small one)?

 

[madoka]

Isn't it interesting that Islam acts of terror span almost every westernized and third world countries (and not just a small one)?

I know people might disagree with the numbers, but I find it more important how every other major religion has been affected.

Christians
The number of Christians martyred by Islam is 9 million [David B. Barrett, Todd M. Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, William Carey Library, 2001, p. 230, table 4-10] . A rough estimate by Raphael Moore in History of Asia Minor is that another 50 million died in wars by jihad. So counting the million African Christians killed in the 20th century we have:
60 million Christians

Hindus
Koenard Elst in Negationism in India gives an estimate of 80 million Hindus killed in the total jihad against India. [Koenard Elst, Negationism in India, Voice of India, New Delhi, 2002, pg. 34.] The country of India today is only half the size of ancient India, due to jihad. The mountains near India are called the Hindu Kush, meaning the “funeral pyre of the Hindus.”
80 million Hindus

Buddhists
Buddhists do not keep up with the history of war. Keep in mind that in jihad only Christians and Jews were allowed to survive as dhimmis (servants to Islam) everyone else had to convert or die. Jihad killed the Buddhists in Turkey, Afghanistan, along the Silk Route, and in India. The total is roughly 10 million. [David B. Barrett, Todd M. Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, William Carey Library, 2001, p. 230, table 4-1.] 10 million Buddhists

Jews
Oddly enough there were not enough Jews killed in jihad to significantly affect the totals of the Great Annihilation. The jihad in Arabia was 100 percent effective, but the numbers were in the thousands, not millions. After that, the Jews submitted and became the dhimmis (servants and second class citizens) of Islam and did not have geographic political power.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/05/the_greatest_murder_machine_in_history.html#ixzz3rg0qfOtL

The enormity of the slaughters of the "religion of peace" are so far beyond comprehension that even honest historians overlook the scale. When one looks beyond our myopic focus, Islam is the greatest killing machine in the history of mankind, bar none.

 

[Blackjack200]

So a reference to one geopolitical civil war conflict in a small country is your example of modern "Christian violence"? Ok sure. Isn't it interesting that in a country with 325 million (U.S.), Catholics and Protestants get along just fine? Isn't it interesting that Islam acts of terror span almost every westernized and third world countries (and not just a small one)?

But I thought this couldn't happen because "The Bible"

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/10/central-african-republic-christian-militias-revenge

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(United_States)

 

[madoka]

But I thought this couldn't happen because "The Bible"

If you're going to argue that any other religion is as lethal as Islam, you'll always lose:

You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion [Islam] too would have been more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?

I studied the Quran a great deal. I came away from that study with the conviction that by and large there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad.

There’s only one faith, for example, that kills you or wants to kill you if you draw a bad cartoon of the prophet. There’s only one faith that kills you or wants to kill you if you renounce the faith... obviously, most Muslim people are not terrorists. But ask most Muslim people in the world, if you insult the prophet, do you have what’s coming to you? It’s more than just a fringe element.

Mahomet established a religion by putting his enemies to death; Jesus Christ by commanding his followers to lay down their lives

That is a simple rule, and easy to remember. When I, a thoughtful and unblessed Presbyterian, examine the Koran, I know that beyond any question every Mohammedan is insane; not in all things, but in religious matters.

... we haven't tackled Islam because we have families [...] and I think the worst thing you can say about a group in a free society is that you’re afraid to talk about it—I can’t think of anything more horrific. [...] Teller and I have been brutal to Christians, and their response shows that they’re good f**king Americans who believe in freedom of speech. We attack them all the time, and we still get letters that say, “We appreciate your passion. Sincerely yours, in Christ.” Christians come to our show at the Rio and give us Bibles all the time. They’re incredibly kind to us

The pope gets ridiculed every day, but you don't see Catholics organizing terrorist attacks around the world.

Islam was not a torch, as has been claimed, but an extinguisher. Conceived in a barbarous brain for the use of a barbarous people, it was - and it remains - incapable of adapting itself to civilization. Wherever it has dominated, it has broken the impulse towards progress and checked the evolution of society.

And from the philosopher who developed the no true Scotsman fallacy:

I would never regard Islam with anything but horror and fear because it is fundamentally committed to conquering the world for Islam... it is, I think, best described in a Marxian way as the uniting and justifying ideology of Arab imperialism. Between the New Testament and the Qur'an there is (as it is customary to say when making such comparisons) no comparison.

 

[Drako]

If you're going to argue that any other religion is as lethal as Islam, you'll always lose:

I believe you meant Penn Jillette, but yeah, nice quotes.

 

[Blackjack200]

If you're going to argue that any other religion is as lethal as Islam, you'll always lose:

Hitler murdered 6 million jews with those weak flabby Christians.

Are you arguing that there are not moderate Muslims who just want to live their live and practice their religions in peace? What does the rest of it matter? What are you suggesting should be done?

 

[madoka]

You seem to miss the point and now want to redirect the discussion because you can't defend your comparison between Christians and Muslims.

Hitler murdered 6 million jews with those weak flabby Christians.

I'll let Hitler respond to this part:

so gutless a thing Christianity! -then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism [Islam], that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world. Christianity alone prevented them from doing so.

 

[Blackjack200]

You seem to miss the point and now want to redirect the discussion because you can't defend your comparison between Christians and Muslims.

Really? My comparison was only to illustrate that Christianity has its own violent adherents. The "as lethal as Islam" part was a straw man introduced by you.

I'll let Hitler respond to this part:

I have no idea where you're getting this obscure Hitler shit from, but it might interest you to know that Hitler was actually wrong about a lot of shit hth.

 

[madoka]

Really? My comparison was only to illustrate that Christianity has its own violent adherents. The "as lethal as Islam" part was a straw man introduced by you.

Excuse me. I didn't realize I was responding to a simpleton.

I'll simplify my argument for you: bringing up the Christians to Muslims comparison whenever some horrible tragedy occurs is played out and stupid. Only idiots would continue to diminish the horror of what the terrorists are doing by making dumb comparisons like that.

I have no idea where you're getting this obscure Hitler shit from

https://books.google.com/books?id=V4gUQZhRGKUC&pg=PA122&lpg=PA122&dq

 

[Blackjack200]

Excuse me. I didn't realize I was responding to a simpleton.

I'll simplify my argument for you: bringing up the Christians to Muslims comparison whenever some horrible tragedy occurs is played out and stupid. Only idiots would continue to diminish the horror of what the terrorists are doing by making dumb comparisons like that.

Odd that you need the simpleton to point out that I was resonding to SP33Demon's "Christians to Muslims comparison".

You still haven't answered my question: What should be done about this... 'Muslim Problem'?

https://books.google.com/books?id=V4gUQZhRGKUC&pg=PA122&lpg=PA122&dq

Nice:

Robert Bruce Spencer (born February 27, 1962) is an American author and blogger best known for his criticism of Islam and jihad.

As of 2014, he has published twelve books, including two New York Times best-selling books.[citation needed] In 2003 he founded and has since directed Jihad Watch, a blog which he describes as containing "news of the international jihad, [and] commentary"[1] which is dedicated to "bringing public attention to the role that jihad theology and ideology plays in the modern world, and to correcting popular misconceptions about the role of jihad and religion in modern-day conflicts".[2]

He has also co-founded Stop Islamization of America (SIOA) and the Freedom Defense Initiative with blogger Pamela Geller, with whom he also co-authored a book, The Post-American Presidency: The Obama Administration's War on America. His viewpoints have been described as anti-Islamic or Islamophobic.[3] The UK Home Office has barred Spencer and Geller from travel to the UK for "making statements that may foster hatred that might lead to inter-community violence".[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Spencer_(author)

Edit: Love this review

Protip: If you're going to write a book about how Christianity is a peaceful religion, you shouldn't put a picture of a Crusader holding a sword on the cover.

http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/337216644?book_show_action=true&from_review_page=1

 

[Slew Foot]

ISIS possibly using PS4 to plan /discuss terror attacks???

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertc...ris-isis-terrorists-used-ps4-to-plan-attacks/

wasnt saddam hussein buyng up ps2 for the chips to power missles or something? or is his a stealth marketing campaign by sony.

 

[Ruptga]

Keep trying to push "multiculturalism" down our throats and avoid the fact that the muslim mosques in Paris were the ones radicalizing these muslim fucktards. Case in point, they asked at a mosque how one of the suicide bombers became radicalized. The mosque denied it was them (yes, play the stealth jihad card harder). Time to wake up folks, it's the mosques in these countries radicalizing their impressionable young men. What young muslim man is going to dispute slaying non-believers when the imam can draw direct quotes to do so from the quran?


http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/15/world/paris-attacker-mostefai/index.html

Of course they conveniently "had no knowledge of it" because they're full.of.shit.

1. I always know a post is going to end badly whenever I see the words "shove down our throats." It really should be a corollary to Godwin's Law or something.

2. If I'm pushing multiculturalism what are you pushing, monoculturalism? Classy.

3. I wasn't actually pushing anything (except maybe statistical literacy) you're just defensive and projecting, probably because you know yours is a minority opinion that isn't respected by very many intelligent people.

4. Maybe there should be a crack down on this forum, since you and people like you are using it to radicalize WASP fucktards. It's only fair, right? 🙄

5. There are so many instances of Christians killing and being told to kill in both their book and actual history that you really don't want to be throwing stones. Romans 1:24-32, for example. If Christians are capable of ignoring the most insane parts of their book and living decent lives, then so are Muslims. I do think we'd be better off without either religion but I'm not going to get my panties in a twist about them, we have more immediate problems than that.

 

[Blackjack200]

2. If I'm pushing multiculturalism what are you pushing, monoculturalism? Classy.

Come on Ruptga, it's nothing a little ethnic cleansing can't solve.

 

[SP33Demon]

1. I always know a post is going to end badly whenever I see the words "shove down our throats." It really should be a corollary to Godwin's Law or something.

2. If I'm pushing multiculturalism what are you pushing, monoculturalism? Classy.

3. I wasn't actually pushing anything (except maybe statistical literacy) you're just defensive and projecting, probably because you know yours is a minority opinion that isn't respected by very many intelligent people.

4. Maybe there should be a crack down on this forum, since you and people like you are using it to radicalize WASP fucktards. It's only fair, right? 🙄

5. There are so many instances of Christians killing and being told to kill in both their book and actual history that you really don't want to be throwing stones. Romans 1:24-32, for example. If Christians are capable of ignoring the most insane parts of their book and living decent lives, then so are Muslims. I do think we'd be better off without either religion but I'm not going to get my panties in a twist about them, we have more immediate problems than that.

What is more important than a "religion" that constantly threatens your way of life? Mexicans? nope. Partisan bickering over [insert hot topic first world problem of the day here]? nope. In fact, a holy book that commands its believers to kill non-believers for simply creating "mischief" is not only dangerous but detrimental to the progress of our society when millions in this country believe it.

Don't duck and dodge the crux of the issue (which isn't Christianity btw). It's what is inside the holy book that ALL muslims are supposed to read.

Watch this short video how muslims are misquoting the quran regarding a passage that they claim says they are forbidden to murder.
The Quran and the Siege of Paris

I'd love to hear your opinion on the passage and source material. Material that is being spread in every mosque. Add in your quran quotes (or videos) as well to refute that passage.

 

[Ruptga]

First, I said immediate, not important, and I'm not going to explain the difference to you. So what's more immediate than violent Islamists? Basically everything, or have the terrorists won to the extent that it's all you think about? How many of us have died on our soil to ISIS types in the last ten years? I don't know for certain, but I'm pretty sure it's very close to zero. They can't be ignored, sure, but there are many issues that will impact our lives both day to day and in the near future that have nothing to do with them.

Also I don't give a shit about holy books. I'm only familiar with the Bible because I was raised fundamentalist Christian, so looking up the Romans thing was trivial. If anyone is dodging it's you, I gave you four enumerated points (and one barb) to respond against and you gave a rant that (sortof) responded to just one of them while trying to get me to defend things I didn't say. So let's skip all that and get back to that one point, why do you think that Christians can ignore the most insane parts of their book and live decent lives but Muslims can't? Both your religions command killing people for stupid reasons, so what makes yours ok and theirs evil? If your entire defense is "it doesn't matter what's in our book because theirs is definitely bad" then I think we're done here.

 

[SP33Demon]

First, I said immediate, not important, and I'm not going to explain the difference to you. So what's more immediate than violent Islamists? Basically everything, or have the terrorists won to the extent that it's all you think about? How many of us have died on our soil to ISIS types in the last ten years? I don't know for certain, but I'm pretty sure it's very close to zero. They can't be ignored, sure, but there are many issues that will impact our lives both day to day and in the near future that have nothing to do with them.

Also I don't give a shit about holy books. I'm only familiar with the Bible because I was raised fundamentalist Christian, so looking up the Romans thing was trivial. If anyone is dodging it's you, I gave you four enumerated points (and one barb) to respond against and you gave a rant that (sortof) responded to just one of them while trying to get me to defend things I didn't say. So let's skip all that and get back to that one point, why do you think that Christians can ignore the most insane parts of their book and live decent lives but Muslims can't? Both your religions command killing people for stupid reasons, so what makes yours ok and theirs evil? If your entire defense is "it doesn't matter what's in our book because theirs is definitely bad" then I think we're done here.

Wow, so you actually need an ISIS attack on home soil before it becomes an immediate priority? Don't worry, they said today it's on the way. Luckily, our populace is semi-armed (like the Garland, TX incident) but if it's DC like they claim, they're sitting ducks with strict gun control. Obviously France is a much bigger threat since they have a much higher % of muslims as the population.

"We say to the states that take part in the crusader campaign that, by God, you will have a day, God willing, like France's and by God, as we struck France in the center of its abode in Paris, then we swear that we will strike America at its center in Washington," the man said.

Read more at Reuters http://www.reuters.com/article/2015...ate-idUSKCN0T51AM20151116#8I8GlP1JiXgqp1mZ.99

Way to duck The Quran and the Siege of Paris video. You have nothing to refute because it is stating the obvious - muslims are mandated to physically kill/harm those who cause "mischief" against Allah (whatever the fuck that means, which is the problem). Watch some of David's other videos if you have questions, I'd start with the ownage that was his debate with muslim scholar Shabir Ally - Debate: Is the Quran a Book of Peace? David Wood vs Shabir Ally

Your bible attacks are hilarious, anyone with a 3rd grade education and christian can tell you that the Old Covenant/Mosaic Law of the Old Testament was abolished by Jesus. Even Jews who strictly follow Mosaic Law, where are the stories of modern day stoning? Are they as frequent as attacks in the name of Islam? No. Read my other post from today on people who like to beat a dead horse ridden by 80 IQ atheists. You're better than that, Rupta. But nice try on the blame shifting (hint: it's not christianity but quranic source material that is the problem). 6/10
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37838908&postcount=39

 

[Ruptga]

Wow, so you actually need an ISIS attack on home soil before it becomes an immediate priority? Don't worry, they said today it's on the way. Luckily, our populace is semi-armed (like the Garland, TX incident) but if it's DC like they claim, they're sitting ducks with strict gun control. Obviously France is a much bigger threat since they have a much higher % of muslims as the population.

Read more at Reuters http://www.reuters.com/article/2015...ate-idUSKCN0T51AM20151116#8I8GlP1JiXgqp1mZ.99

I'm taking that to mean that yes you are terrified of the terrorists. Otherwise you might have said something intelligent instead of implying that I think they can be ignored, when I clearly said the opposite.

Way to duck The Quran and the Siege of Paris video. You have nothing to refute because it is stating the obvious- muslims are mandated to physically kill/harm those who cause "mischief" against Allah (whatever the fuck that means, which is the problem). Watch some of David's other videos if you have questions, I'd start with the ownage that was his debate with muslim scholar Shabir Ally - Debate: Is the Quran a Book of Peace? David Wood vs Shabir Ally

No shit? I've been agreeing with you about that, Muslims are commanded to kill people. Congratulations, you won an argument that didn't exist.

Your bible attacks are hilarious, anyone with a 3rd grade education and christian can tell you that the Old Covenant/Mosaic Law of the Old Testament was abolished by Jesus. Even Jews who strictly follow Mosaic Law, where are the stories of modern day stoning? Are they as frequent as attacks in the name of Islam? No. Read my other post from today on people who like to beat a dead horse ridden by 80 IQ atheists. You're better than that, Rupta. But nice try on the blame shifting (hint: it's not christianity but quranic source material that is the problem). 6/10
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37838908&postcount=39

Perhaps your third grade education failed you, because the only thing in the Bible I referenced was in Romans, which would not be Mosaic Law. I guess that's not actually third grade, but basic reading comprehension is so I'm counting it. Paul (who was endorsed by Jesus' #1 buddy Peter) went on record with that bit in Romans, so you can't just wave it off as non-canon, but that brings me back to my point - that you're able to rationalize away the stuff in your book that would have you killing people for stupid reasons.

Why is it impossible for Muslims to also rationalize away insane scriptures? It doesn't matter if there's nowhere in the Quran that someone officially called a takebacksie, they can just use one of any number of other excuses to rationalize or "reinterpret" whatever they want. Shit, how do you think the non-religious rationalize things? We don't have any official takebacksies to cop out on like you do, so they must not be necessary.

I seriously doubt that you're ever going to answer that question though, so I'm done with you here. You don't seem to care about the truth except how it relates to the urgent need to wipe out the Muslims.

 

[BudAshes]

I'm kind of curious why christians even care. You're going to heaven anyway, right? Let the Islamist's Jihad and bring about the apocalypse. This all reminds me of Dune btw. Herbert was a genius about religion and human nature.

 

[highland145]

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[SSSnail]

OK, how about this? Yes, everybody has made mistakes. Yes, everybody has created some atrocities in one form or another. But, you know the difference? Most everyone moved on, evolved, and became civilized. Most, except for one. That one is trying to either get everyone else to submit, or die.

You figure out which one.

So, unless you're a sympathizer, a practitioner, or an idiot, then you should see what's the biggest problem in this world right now. Even Rosanne Bar is no longer a big problem because she changed. Get with it, get with the time.

 

[disappoint]

I'm kind of curious why christians even care. You're going to heaven anyway, right? Let the Islamist's Jihad and bring about the apocalypse.

You do realize that the whole heaven concept came about as a coping mechanism due to a fear of death right? That fear of death still looms in the shadows of their minds where few care to explore.

 

[destrekor]

This all reminds me of Dune btw. Herbert was a genius about religion and human nature.

He was great. Love the Dune series, especially the first three novels, which are the strongest on story alone, along with theme, without needing to import too much craziness. I enjoyed all the books for sure, but Dune, Dune Messiah, and Children of Dune were epic and fantastic and everything awesome that can be said. 😀


That's all I have to say, now that this thread has derailed into craziness.

 

[z1ggy]

Saw some alleged cell phone pics of the theatre after the massacre. Just a mind boggling scene, and I can't imagine having been there during or after those events.

I'm really not in support of war in the middle east, but if these attacks keep occurring I feel like there really might not be much choice left but to really take it to them. I'm just waiting for a Paris like attack to happen here. All the war hawks will call for blood, and whoever is president will almost have no choice but to react. Basically 9/11 all over again.

 

[Blackjack200]

Saw some alleged cell phone pics of the theatre after the massacre. Just a mind boggling scene, and I can't imagine having been there during or after those events.

I'm really not in support of war in the middle east, but if these attacks keep occurring I feel like there really might not be much choice left but to really take it to them. I'm just waiting for a Paris like attack to happen here. All the war hawks will call for blood, and whoever is president will almost have no choice but to react. Basically 9/11 all over again.

Keep happening? When was the last one?

 

[z1ggy]

Keep happening? When was the last one?

Carlie Hebdo, January of this year.

At a rate of 2x per year... yeah it's really terrible but this last one was pretty extreme. Over 100 dead, highly coordinated attacks, using machine guns, grenades, etc.