Multiculturalism Responsible For Riots In Sweden?

[lagokc]

That's America now

God bless America :biggrin:

 

[bradley]

Sweden is an extremely lenient country with their children, and immigrants are integrating into that leniency.... and nothing else, which is the root of the problem.

 

[Orignal Earl]

God bless America :biggrin:

 

[Incorruptible]

Nobody is forcing anything.

I lived in the 18th arrondissement, the so-called 'Arab arrondissement' for a number of years until 1993.

Your'e Arab and you got skills, you'll get a good job. I worked for a French law firm and one of the guys I hung around with was an Egyptian (i.e., an Arab). You got skills, you get a job.

I lived also lived in Berlin, Germany for a couple of years in Kreuzberg, the Turkish neighborhood. (They make the best damn bread I've ever had.)

It's all the same story over and over, whether it be in France, Germany or Sweden. The (leftist) govts have good intentions but no clue what they're doing. They allow a ton of immigrants to come in who don't speak the language, or at least not well. They probably can't write it worth a flip either. And they've got no skills. To top it off, these countries (perhaps excepting Sweden) have major unemployment problem as it is.

How the heck are these immigrants supposed to get jobs?

Well, they don't (or at least most don't).

There are basically two ways to integrate: (1) work with people or (2) marry into a family. The latter is a lot easier if you're working with the people.

'Nobody' is keeping anybody in an Arab ghetto. Their lack of skills and other limitations do. So, whose fault is it? (1) The govt for letting them in knowing they lack skills etc and (2) the immigrants themselves for not obtaining skills once in.

Fern

Very well said. Why are people who don't and refuse to speak the language allowed in? Why are these people who want to bring their old way of life allowed in?

Leftists although idiotic are responsible for this crap by supporting multiculturalism.

 

[iaco]

Europe wasnt built by immigration. Western European nations are attempting to graft foreign cultures into their own culture though [ie-immigration], but it appears to be failing. I wouldnt expect Japan to take in millions of Muslims and have zero social issues from it either [I guess they are smarter than Europeans and thats why they havnt done so yet], so seeing European nations having trouble is no surprise at all.

No they're just racist, or xenophobic depending on who you're talking to. At least it's better than letting your country be overrun with people who hate you.

 

[peonyu]

Huns, Vandals, Visigoths

Though I'm not really sure if that's a point in favor...

England's been invaded and repopulated numerous times. The Basque, Scandinavians, Romans, Saxons, Scandinavians again, Normans...

The English language suffers to this day as a result of the Norman invasion and all the French words and spellings they forced upon the British.

If you have to go back 1500-2000 years, then your point is already failure. Modern Japan is made up mostly from migrants to there 1500 years ago...I guess they should let in everyone to ? Most countries have been settled in the past 2000 years, and yet most of them wont tolerate immigration since it does dilute your national culture, it does increase crime, and it does create social issues that probably didnt exist before [racism etc,].

 

[Incorruptible]

If you have to go back 1500-2000 years, then your point is already failure. Modern Japan is made up mostly from migrants to there 1500 years ago...I guess they should let in everyone to ? Most countries have been settled in the past 2000 years, and yet most of them wont tolerate immigration since it does dilute your national culture, it does increase crime, and it does create social issues that probably didnt exist before [racism etc,].

Completely agree but the idiots who support this multiculturalism crap don't understand this.

 

[Darwin333]

Many things can be done. Some of which are listed.

Limit the amount of immigrants and refugees coming in.
No welfare/special privileges
No pandering
If they break the law then they are deported and kicked out
When immigrants first come in determine if they will integrate and aren't radicals

Most countries do have limits on immigration

Why would you deny new citizens rights/privileges that existing citizens have? Wouldn't that be creating a second class citizen which is pretty much the opposite of what you want your immigrants to be?

How are they currently pandered to and what needs to change?

Depending on the law broken/severity I would agree.

And pretty sure most countries already do the last one. Its not like they advertise "please send us your radicals and extremists".

 

[lagokc]

How are they currently pandered to and what needs to change?

I think he's referring to the whole:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/222...py-police-advert-after-Muslim-complaints.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Page-head-yelling-kill-white-slag-FREED.html

and one from America just to show this doesn't just happen in England

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/27/pennsylvania-judge-musim-zombie-muhammad_n_1304764.html

giving them special treatment as a result of the soft bigotry of low expectations thing. If an immigrant commits a crime, charge them just as harshly as you would charge a native who had committed the same crime. That they aren't used to our culture is no excuse.

If you have to go back 1500-2000 years,

Psst, the Battle of Hastings was in 1066 and I never suggested the invasions of the Normans or the Huns were a good thing

 

[Darwin333]

Completely agree but the idiots who support this multiculturalism crap don't understand this.

Do you know why we would be screwed without immigration?

 

[Darwin333]

I think he's referring to the whole:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/222...py-police-advert-after-Muslim-complaints.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Page-head-yelling-kill-white-slag-FREED.html

and one from America just to show this doesn't just happen in England

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/27/pennsylvania-judge-musim-zombie-muhammad_n_1304764.html

giving them special treatment as a result of the soft bigotry of low expectations thing. If an immigrant commits a crime, charge them just as harshly as you would charge a native who had committed the same crime. That they aren't used to our culture is no excuse.

Ok, the apology was bullshit but do you have anything a bit more substantial than a few idiot judges making idiotic rulings that only apply to a single case?

Psst, the Battle of Hastings was in 1066 and I never suggested the invasions of the Normans or the Huns were a good thing

That was not my quote.

 

[peonyu]

Psst, the Battle of Hastings was in 1066 and I never suggested the invasions of the Normans or the Huns were a good thing

That battle was almost 1000 years ago, also there wasnt a massive migration of Normans to Britain either...Its more like the US occupation of Iraq, we didnt change their DNA by winning that war did we ? Not at all. The Huns never made a big impact either, by and large Europeans are the same as they were several thousand years ago.


The only reason Europe is taking in immigrants is because of the economy, the short term gains look good but the EU leaders unfortunately are short sighted...In the long term [20 yrs down the road] no one knows what the result will be, but noting that there are already riots in Europe from its foreign population doesnt bode well, its probably going to get worse in the future as the foreign populations expand there.

 

[Fern]

Do you know why we would be screwed without immigration?

Please do tell.

(BTW: the issue is not immigration versus absolutely zero immigration. The issue is intelligent and controlled immigration versus uncontrolled immigration. The latter is what we have)

Fern

 

[Incorruptible]

I think he's referring to the whole:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/222...py-police-advert-after-Muslim-complaints.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Page-head-yelling-kill-white-slag-FREED.html

and one from America just to show this doesn't just happen in England

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/27/pennsylvania-judge-musim-zombie-muhammad_n_1304764.html

giving them special treatment as a result of the soft bigotry of low expectations thing. If an immigrant commits a crime, charge them just as harshly as you would charge a native who had committed the same crime. That they aren't used to our culture is no excuse.



Psst, the Battle of Hastings was in 1066 and I never suggested the invasions of the Normans or the Huns were a good thing

Excellent post. Those are some of the things I was talking about and there is much more.

 

[Socio]

Do you know why we would be screwed without immigration?

Please do tell.

(BTW: the issue is not immigration versus absolutely zero immigration. The issue is intelligent and controlled immigration versus uncontrolled immigration. The latter is what we have)

Fern

Actually we could close the door completely on immigration and be just fine, in fact both sides would be better off.

Economically the benefits would be billions a year saved on welfare and other government services, plus decline in jobless rates not having to compete with the rest of the world, the stopping of the driving down of wages, and subsequent increased tax revenue for the immigrating to countries, just to name a few.

For the immigrating from countries, no more poaching of the best and brightest, no more mass exodus of their workforce, forcing these countries to better themselves leaving them with the kind of people to do just that. Otherwise they will never ever get better only continually worse.

A win win for all involved, except of course for the employers seeking to take advantage of low wage workers to maximize their profits.

 

[PingviN]

But how is it forced? Laws? Practices? Underhanded tactics by landlords or something? How are immigrants forced to live in a certain area. I am curious how this is accomplished and who executes it.

Alright so, it comes down to two issues, other than foreigners wanting to live with their own people.

1) If you don't have 12 years in school, you're not getting a job. This is why youth employment is high and it's why we can't get poorly educated foreigners to work. Doesn't help that a family of immigrants with a couple of kids can take home roughly $3000 in government handouts each months, tax free. There is no reason to take a job that pays less than your handouts.

2) We have no functioning market for renting a home so without a job, you're not going to be able to move.

Now, with that said: the shit going on here comes down to parents sucking and that's it. Bored, undisciplined youths getting a thrill out of burning stuff and fighting the police.
It has nothing to do with race or ethnicity.
It has nothing to do with unemployment.
It has nothing to do with people having it hard.
It has nothing to do with segregation.
It's crap parents not raising their kids and they should be held accountable for their utter failure.

I'm not a fan of our levels om immigration, but calling this an immigration issue is plain silly. It's some hundred kids in certain areas that are bored. Some 12.000 live in Husby (where it started). 1% or so participate in the riots. 80% of the population are immigrants or children of immigrants. Let's not make this thing about immigration when really it is about parenting.

 

[Socio]

I'm not a fan of our levels om immigration, but calling this an immigration issue is plain silly. It's some hundred kids in certain areas that are bored. Some 12.000 live in Husby (where it started). 1% or so participate in the riots. 80% of the population are immigrants or children of immigrants. Let's not make this thing about immigration when really it is about parenting.

It is about immigration, had Sweden closed the doors 20 years ago this would not be going on and the country as a whole would be much better off today, sorry but there is no way around that fact. Same can be said of all other countries that allow mass immigration, it is an absolute, undeniable, and indefensible mistake, one that punishes ALL involved.

 

[PingviN]

It is about immigration, had Sweden closed the doors 20 years ago this would not be going on and the country as a whole would be much better off today

I'm pretty sure we would be better off if we had less immigration, yes, but are these riots caused by immigration? No, I don't think so. We've had riots in Sweden before, back in the days when non-European immigration was close to non-existent. It's not a fact that these riots are caused by immigration, it's an opinion and there's a difference between "fact" and "opinion".

 

[Texashiker]

Do you know why we would be screwed without immigration?

illegal or legal?

Yea I see letting millions of illegal immigrants into the nation to preform low wage jobs. But in return we have to provide them with free services.

I can see allowing millions of radical islamist into the nation. Get so many in here that the boston bombings are a common problem.

Lets allow millions of HIV positive immigrants in from africa.

 

[thraashman]

illegal or legal?

Yea I see letting millions of illegal immigrants into the nation to preform low wage jobs. But in return we have to provide them with free services.

I can see allowing millions of radical islamist into the nation. Get so many in here that the boston bombings are a common problem.

Lets allow millions of HIV positive immigrants in from africa.

Man you're xenophobic. I'd rather another illegal immigrant join this nation than another Texas native. At least there's a chance the immigrant won't be batshit insane.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Terrorist attack in Britian, posters telling Brits they better smarten up
Riot in Sweden, posters telling Sweds they better smarten up

Brits and Sweds posting saying its not that bad

Hundreds of posts showing how guns save lives from violent criminals in the US
Foreign posters points out violence in US, posters telling Foreigner it's not that bad

The never ending circle of P&N

 

[Texashiker]

Man you're xenophobic.

Negative, I am not xenophobic.

I went to school with a bunch of mexicans and asians. They were great people.

I worked for an Indian (asian) for 5 years. He treated his employees great.

But times change.

While there are people entering the United States who want to be here and adopt our lifestyle, there are others who hold nothing but contempt for our way of life.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Negative, I am not xenophobic.

I went to school with a bunch of mexicans and asians. They were great people.

I worked for an Indian (asian) for 5 years. He treated his employees great.

But times change.

While there are people entering the United States who want to be here and adopt our lifestyle, there are others who hold nothing but contempt for our way of life.

Out of a million immigrants, your going to have a bad seed show up
But your going to have 999,999 very productive and beneficial members of society, like the guy who gave you the job

 

[Texashiker]

Out of a million immigrants, your going to have a bad seed show up
But your going to have 999,999 very productive and beneficial members of society,

I guess providing benefits to millions of illegal immigrants has no bearing on why california is going broke?

like the guy who gave you the job

Yea, he is a great guy. He came to the US, got a degree in engineering, worked his way up to president of a company, then started his own business.

I worked for him while we were both working for the first company, and again after he started his own business.

 

[Incorruptible]

It is about immigration, had Sweden closed the doors 20 years ago this would not be going on and the country as a whole would be much better off today, sorry but there is no way around that fact. Same can be said of all other countries that allow mass immigration, it is an absolute, undeniable, and indefensible mistake, one that punishes ALL involved.

These riots have been started by mostly immigrants. How many whites and native born Swedes took part? It was mostly immigrants who are radical Muslims and have no intention of integrating.