Mueller

[imported_tajmahal]

I have a difficult time believing there was any violation since Nunes didn’t specifically cite any. Doing so would have put his argument on much more solid ground. That he did not is telling.

Let's get the transcripts where they applied for the warrant and remove all doubt. Unless the FBI lost them of course.

 

[Jhhnn]

You make it look as if I said it when it was a piece by

Please don't use the quote function improperly.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Please don't use the quote function improperly.

I'll do my best.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'll do my best.

So edit post #74.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

So edit post #74.

Done

 

[Jhhnn]

Let's get the transcripts where they applied for the warrant and remove all doubt. Unless the FBI lost them of course.

Trump could already have ordered them released, couldn't he? I mean, if this were intended to be anything other than a mind fuck exercise...

 

[imported_tajmahal]

That's conjecture represented as fact.

More to the point-

http://www.saratogian.com/article/ST/20180205/NEWS/180209905

It was a piece by a journalist with more fact and information in it on the subject. E.J. Dionne is a laughable partisan.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Trump could already have ordered them released, couldn't he? I mean, if this were intended to be anything other than a mind fuck exercise...

I wish he would. I'm sure that you and other Democrats would support the action. It's not as if Democrats tried to stop the Nunes memo from being made public........................... ooops wait, of course the fvcking Democrats tried to stop it.

 

[Jhhnn]

It was a piece by a journalist with more fact and information in it on the subject. E.J. Dionne is a laughable partisan.

You stated as a matter of fact-

Perhaps we will eventually learn that there’s a good reason unverified material was given to the court.

Claims by Nunes that the FBI didn't verify the Steele dossier as it applies to Page are unverified & unverifiable at this point.

Page was not a part of the campaign when the warrant was issued & the Trump camp has claimed he never was a part or held a minor part until it now serves their purposes to do so. He left the campaign under the cloud of being too cozy with Putin.

Dionne described what Trump, Nunes et al are doing perfectly, btw, which is why I introduced it into the discussion.

 

[Jhhnn]

I wish he would. I'm sure that you and other Democrats would support the action. It's not as if Democrats tried to stop the Nunes memo from being made public........................... ooops wait, of course the fvcking Democrats tried to stop it.

So why aare Trump & Nunes concocting a hit piece rather than releasing the info in question?

 

[zinfamous]

I don't really understand why the dems need to release a memo? The Nunes piece was a rather substantial own-goal when you really understand what it is saying, and the dems releasing something just adds to the pubs infantile argument that the democrats are just partisan evil assholes.

I say let the repubs drown under the weight of their own hypocrisies.

 

[Stokely]

It would be one thing if this guy was a controversial Democrat. Instead, he's un upstanding GOP member who has served under both R and D administrations, and who (until now) had a reputation beyond reproach (or as close as you can get in big politics). The fact the GOP is rabidly after him says much more about them than him.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I don't really understand why the dems need to release a memo? The Nunes piece was a rather substantial own-goal when you really understand what it is saying, and the dems releasing something just adds to the pubs infantile argument that the democrats are just partisan evil assholes.

I say let the repubs drown under the weight of their own hypocrisies.

That's funny and about as accurate as saying the Bundy's scored an own goal when the prosecutors withheld information. In either case it makes it almost impossible to prosecute.

 

[fskimospy]

It would be one thing if this guy was a controversial Democrat. Instead, he's un upstanding GOP member who has served under both R and D administrations, and who (until now) had a reputation beyond reproach (or as close as you can get in big politics). The fact the GOP is rabidly after him says much more about them than him.

I think it's pretty obvious Republicans don't care about that. When Mueller was first appointed they were falling over themselves to praise him because of his truly impressive record. That's when they (stupidly) thought the investigation wasn't going to turn up anything. Now that they see it's quite likely that Mueller will report on widespread criminal behavior by Trump's associates and potentially Trump himself they are panicking.

In case you wondered though, they are not panicking because it turns out the president might be a criminal. They are fine with that. They are panicking because someone might report on the fact that the president is a criminal.

 

[zinfamous]

That's funny and about as accurate as saying the Bundy's scored an own goal when the prosecutors withheld information. In either case it makes it almost impossible to prosecute.

The Nunes memo again verified that the Steele Dossier is not the source used to grant the FISA warrant against neo-nazi Carter Page (pretty much tarnishes little Donny's primary argument, doesn't it?).

Further, the memo clarified that many of the details in the Steele Dossier had been independently corroborated by other sources, essentially confirming the strength of much of the intelligence within that file.

So, little Donny's Nunes' "big old vindication" is that the evil Steele Dossier is in fact verified, it was also not instrumental in the investigation into Russian collusion or Carter Page. It was lil' Papdupolous that turned the intelligence agencies towards Trump.

This is 2 + 2 = 4 stuff. But you're bitching in the corner that 2 + 2 = 7 for some reason, and crying when I don't believe you.

 

[Amused]

This says it all:

"Lawyers for President Trump have advised him against sitting down for a wide-ranging interview with the special counsel. His lawyers are concerned that the president, who has a history of making false statements and contradicting himself, could be charged with lying to investigators."

How can ANYONE defend this man any longer? How???

 

[soundforbjt]

This says it all:

"Lawyers for President Trump have advised him against sitting down for a wide-ranging interview with the special counsel. His lawyers are concerned that the president, who has a history of making false statements and contradicting himself, could be charged with lying to investigators."

How can ANYONE defend this man any longer? How???

He has an “R” next to his name?

 

[Jhhnn]

This says it all:

"Lawyers for President Trump have advised him against sitting down for a wide-ranging interview with the special counsel. His lawyers are concerned that the president, who has a history of making false statements and contradicting himself, could be charged with lying to investigators."

How can ANYONE defend this man any longer? How???

How? When Trump grabbed 'em by the pussy they swooned at the attention.

 

[Younigue]

How? When Trump grabbed 'em by the pussy they swooned at the attention.

You made me vomit!

 

[imported_tajmahal]

This says it all:

"Lawyers for President Trump have advised him against sitting down for a wide-ranging interview with the special counsel. His lawyers are concerned that the president, who has a history of making false statements and contradicting himself, could be charged with lying to investigators."

How can ANYONE defend this man any longer? How???

Easy, he was so much better than the alternative.

 

[Younigue]

Easy, he was so much better than the alternative.

Idiot!

 

[Jhhnn]

Easy, he was so much better than the alternative.

Yeh, Putin & his mind benders hate Hillary so we all should, obviously. Cuz buttery males, Benghazi & that pizza parlor thing.

 

[cytg111]

Easy, he was so much better than the alternative.

Hillary Clinton is your superior human being in every perceivable way. Think of a quality that defines you as a person. She does it better.
Subhuman to HRC, maybe that is why you hate her so much. It is envy.

 

[shady28]

I know it's kind of hard for P&N regulars to put two and two together and all, but this article should clear things up a bit.

Bottom line is that the FBI failed to vet any of its information and sources. Steele lied to them, and because of their lack of attention to their sources, it wound up causing the FBI to misrepresent their warrant to the FISC.

On top of that, Bruce Ohr was feeding information to the FBI from his wife who worked for Fusion GPS. That information was also coming from Steele.

This means the warrant is essentially illegal. What the FBI presented to the court as three separate sources, was actually just one source, which was not vetted. James Comey and Andrew 'Andy' McCabe signed the documents asserting the veracity of information being given to the FISC to justify the warrants.

I find it disingenuous to think that the FBI would not vet its sources to spy on someone associated with a presidential campaign, unless they thought the FISA 'secret' court documents would never be revealed. If they failed to do that in this case, it was intentional.

That will probably kill the entire case, Page will probably win a civil suit, and Flynn's case will probably get dismissed.

Think not? From The Hill : "Ohr’s failure to notify the Department of Justice at any point about his and his wife’s relationships with the target of a congressional investigation and possibly a target of a Department of Justice investigation compares to one of the issues Mueller’s team used to get Michael Flynn to plead guilty: a failure to disclose meetings and relationships to federal authorities."


So on the back of all this, perhaps this makes more sense :

Mueller team seeks delay in Flynn sentencing
Now, if you want to dig further, look at who Natalia Veselnitskaya is, who does she work for? That's right, a law firm working for Fusion GPS.

Fusion GPS was paid by a law firm for work on behalf of a Kremlin-linked oligarch while paying former British spy Christopher Steele

Now this is my speculation, but I think it's pretty clear what happened. Fusion GPS was being funded by a Russian oligarch, and was used to feed the Trump Dossier to the DNC/Hillary campaign. At the same time, they tried to feed information to Trump on Hillary.

Guess which one bought it, and which one didn't? Which side colluded with Russia again?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/7/christopher-steeles-trump-dossier-info-led-fbi-mis/

On the application, the FBI did not list any of its own independent corroboration. But the bureau did cite a September story in Yahoo News on Mr. Page to buttress the dossier. Agents attested to the judge that the article was independent corroboration because Mr. Steele said he had not spoken to Yahoo News.

That FBI assertion was false.

Mr. Steele fed his dossier material to Yahoo News and other media outlets that September but told the FBI he had not. In other words, the dossier and the articles came from the same source: Mr. Steele.

In fact, the FBI stated in the application, “The FBI does not believe that [Mr. Steele] directly provided this information to the press.”

The FBI’s reliance on Yahoo News and writer Michael Isikoff did not end there. Mr. Grassley’s referral says that in three subsequent renewals through June 2017, the FBI cited Yahoo News, which would take the surveillance period through September.
...

“The FBI repeatedly represented to the court that Mr. Steele told the FBI he did not have unauthorized contacts with the press about the dossier prior to October 2106,” the Grassley-Graham referral says.

Said the two senators:

“In short, it appears the FBI relied on admittedly uncorroborated information, funded by and obtained for Secretary Clinton’s presidential campaign, in order to conduct surveillance of an associate of the opposing presidential candidate.”

...
The storyline now is that Mr. Steele, who by his own words was “desperate” to bring down Mr. Trump, worked with a list of people: the FBI; Fusion GPS and co-founder Glenn Simpson; news reporters; Clinton associates; a State Department official; and Bruce Ohr, an associate attorney general whose wife worked at Fusion GPS.

Mr. Ohr was sending his wife’s and Mr. Steele’s work to the FBI. Mr. Ohr, who met with Mr. Steele that fall, told the FBI of Mr. Steele’s desperation to stop Mr. Trump. The Justice Department has demoted Mr. Ohr.

 

[Jhhnn]

I know it's kind of hard for P&N regulars to put two and two together and all, but this article should clear things up a bit.

Bottom line is that the FBI failed to vet any of its information and sources. Steele lied to them, and because of their lack of attention to their sources, it wound up causing the FBI to misrepresent their warrant to the FISC.

On top of that, Bruce Ohr was feeding information to the FBI from his wife who worked for Fusion GPS. That information was also coming from Steele.

This means the warrant is essentially illegal. What the FBI presented to the court as three separate sources, was actually just one source, which was not vetted. James Comey and Andrew 'Andy' McCabe signed the documents asserting the veracity of information being given to the FISC to justify the warrants.

I find it disingenuous to think that the FBI would not vet its sources to spy on someone associated with a presidential campaign, unless they thought the FISA 'secret' court documents would never be revealed. If they failed to do that in this case, it was intentional.

That will probably kill the entire case, Page will probably win a civil suit, and Flynn's case will probably get dismissed.

Think not? From The Hill : "Ohr’s failure to notify the Department of Justice at any point about his and his wife’s relationships with the target of a congressional investigation and possibly a target of a Department of Justice investigation compares to one of the issues Mueller’s team used to get Michael Flynn to plead guilty: a failure to disclose meetings and relationships to federal authorities."


So on the back of all this, perhaps this makes more sense :

Mueller team seeks delay in Flynn sentencing
Now, if you want to dig further, look at who Natalia Veselnitskaya is, who does she work for? That's right, a law firm working for Fusion GPS.

Fusion GPS was paid by a law firm for work on behalf of a Kremlin-linked oligarch while paying former British spy Christopher Steele

Now this is my speculation, but I think it's pretty clear what happened. Fusion GPS was being funded by a Russian oligarch, and was used to feed the Trump Dossier to the DNC/Hillary campaign. At the same time, they tried to feed information to Trump on Hillary.

Guess which one bought it, and which one didn't? Which side colluded with Russia again?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/7/christopher-steeles-trump-dossier-info-led-fbi-mis/

That's per Chuck Grassley & Lindsay Graham. Grassley misrepresented the Fusion GPS testimony some while back, remember? Only release of the actual transcripts revealed his deception & this likely isn't any different.

None of which explains why Putin threw in behind Trump, either. Maybe it was for the MAGA.