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Lifer
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The psychosis has become full blown.

The last thing conservatives should do is vote. Conservatives always vote to 'fuck you' and that always turns out to be fuck everybody including themselves.

That is because Conservatives have never understood that everything is connected. That they are part of the society they so despise. They never fully grasped the lesson that when we help the least of us we help ourselves also means when we harm the least of us we also harm ourselves.
 

ch33zw1z

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Sorry OP, Conservatives abandoned truth long ago. They will never admit to wrong doing by Trump and co. It's all a liberal deep state conspiracy.
 

Moonbeam

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That is because Conservatives have never understood that everything is connected. That they are part of the society they so despise. They never fully grasped the lesson that when we help the least of us we help ourselves also means when we harm the least of us we also harm ourselves.
Fear creates insecurity which creates as us against them mentality that those with a will to power manipulate for self gain. This fear of the other fanned by the psychotics among us for their own personal gain creates cultural collapse. This is how the truth of what you say comes about. And the greater the damage to the culture, the greater the occasion to fear. We have reached the stage where the madness of the fearful is our greatest threat and what we most have to fear, a fear, in this case, which is all too real.
 

BurnItDwn

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They will disenfranchise and make it hard for people to vote if they are not likely R voters.
My recommendation: Arm yourselves.
 

Jhhnn

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That is because Conservatives have never understood that everything is connected. That they are part of the society they so despise. They never fully grasped the lesson that when we help the least of us we help ourselves also means when we harm the least of us we also harm ourselves.

Fuck them welfare moochin' poors! If they weren't morally defective they'd be rich like me! /s
 
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Fuck them welfare moochin' poors! If they weren't morally defective they'd be rich like me! /s

Or this classic

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hal2kilo

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That is because Conservatives have never understood that everything is connected. That they are part of the society they so despise. They never fully grasped the lesson that when we help the least of us we help ourselves also means when we harm the least of us we also harm ourselves.
Sounds like they need some Shamanistic medicine.
 

compuwiz1

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My take is Mueller has had almost 2 years to find anything and drop the hammer on Trump. To come out before the midterms and say anything would be bad for either party. If there is nothing there, it would embarrass the democrats. If there is something there, it would give the democrats an advantage and cause some republicans to jump ship. Not a good scenario to release information at this time, for either side. Timing could appear to either side to have a bias.
 

Jhhnn

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My take is Mueller has had almost 2 years to find anything and drop the hammer on Trump. To come out before the midterms and say anything would be bad for either party. If there is nothing there, it would embarrass the democrats. If there is something there, it would give the democrats an advantage and cause some republicans to jump ship. Not a good scenario to release information at this time, for either side. Timing could appear to either side to have a bias.

I'm confident that the Special Cpunsel's office will remain nice & quiet until after the election. I'm sure they're quite busy chasing down all the leads & info they're getting from two very big rats, Cohen & Manafort. I figure it will get very interesting.

All federal organized crime investigations proceed this way, slowly & methodically. The DoJ likes to build airtight cases, something Mueller has accomplished so far. I doubt that will change.
 

Bitek

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Again, it seems like the trump base has been emboldened. Even trump himself seems more sure of himself with the support of his team compared to beginning of his presidency.

Maybe. Otoh they would have spent this whole time attacking Muellers findings and it lost its legs by Nov.

It is what it is. Pray for Dems to win the house so it doesn't get covered up.
 

compuwiz1

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Maybe. Otoh they would have spent this whole time attacking Muellers findings and it lost its legs by Nov.

It is what it is. Pray for Dems to win the house so it doesn't get covered up.

It'll be a sweep it under the rug kind of thing, then Mueller goes back to being a good republican, like it never happened. lol
 
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My take is Mueller has had almost 2 years to find anything and drop the hammer on Trump. To come out before the midterms and say anything would be bad for either party. If there is nothing there, it would embarrass the democrats. If there is something there, it would give the democrats an advantage and cause some republicans to jump ship. Not a good scenario to release information at this time, for either side. Timing could appear to either side to have a bias.

Hahaha you expect Democrats to roll over & play dead. The game has changed, I want the full 4 year BENGHAZI!!! treatment for this. Plus multiple committees working on it.

BTW as of now there are how many charges filed by Mueller against how many people?

How many BENGHAZI charges were there?

How many but Her email charges were there?
 
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My take is Mueller has had almost 2 years to find anything and drop the hammer on Trump. To come out before the midterms and say anything would be bad for either party. If there is nothing there, it would embarrass the democrats. If there is something there, it would give the democrats an advantage and cause some republicans to jump ship. Not a good scenario to release information at this time, for either side. Timing could appear to either side to have a bias.


Hmm...I must have missed your condemnation of comey releasing information to reopen the email investigation that produced zero results or charges/changes in claims.

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/fbi-reopens-investigation-into-clinton-email-use.2490146/

Would you like to quote your post where you thought what comey did was wrong?

How long should we wait?
 

Bitek

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Hmm...I must have missed your condemnation of comey releasing information to reopen the email investigation that produced zero results or charges/changes in claims.

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/fbi-reopens-investigation-into-clinton-email-use.2490146/

Would you like to quote your post where you thought what comey did was wrong?

How long should we wait?

In all honesty, I still say Comey fucked that whole thing up with his little October dud.

Mueller is doing the right thing by not dropping any bombs right before the election.

We can assume he'll find smoking guns and be pissed it's not out there to see, but there is a good possibility that he doesn't find something conclusive, and had it been out Trump would say he's vindicated and completely deflated D sails.

Worst case, Ds don't capture the house, Trump fires Mueller and Rs just look the other way.

Then we'd really be fucked
 

Jhhnn

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In all honesty, I still say Comey fucked that whole thing up with his little October dud.

Mueller is doing the right thing by not dropping any bombs right before the election.

We can assume he'll find smoking guns and be pissed it's not out there to see, but there is a good possibility that he doesn't find something conclusive, and had it been out Trump would say he's vindicated and completely deflated D sails.

Worst case, Ds don't capture the house, Trump fires Mueller and Rs just look the other way.

Then we'd really be fucked

I seriously doubt that Mueller won't find anything conclusive. Trump is already an un-named co--conspirator in Cohen's guilty plea to a felony.

The rats are just too big & there are probably ones we don't even know about. There are always lots of little people involved in stuff like this, like the loan officer & the book keeper in Manafort's case. The guy who let the Feds into Manafort's storage area is another. The FBI doesn't want them anyway & they'll roll over in a New York second for a grant of immunity. It's largely how organized crime cases are built.
 

FIVR

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My boy Rod has this shit on lock. Trump can't shake the deep state, he's going down sooner or later. Mess with the best, go down like the rest.
 

Maxima1

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In all honesty, I still say Comey fucked that whole thing up with his little October dud.

Mueller is doing the right thing by not dropping any bombs right before the election.

It's a guideline that's most pertinent for people running in an election. The possibility of indicting these scumbags is completely different than Comey's inane reopening of the Clinton case over duplicate emails. (Even worse, ignoring Trump's despite being much more significant and catastrophic if he won)

Worst case, Ds don't capture the house, Trump fires Mueller and Rs just look the other way.

Then we'd really be fucked

Yeah, so you just pointed out how observing the 60 day guideline is inane. Everyone knows the corrupt Congress is abusing their power and obstructing for this president. The guideline let's you use judgement. They need to dislodge these dangerous people and give a punishing blow to the Republican party.
 

Jhhnn

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It's a guideline that's most pertinent for people running in an election. The possibility of indicting these scumbags is completely different than Comey's inane reopening of the Clinton case over duplicate emails. (Even worse, ignoring Trump's despite being much more significant and catastrophic if he won)



Yeah, so you just pointed out how observing the 60 day guideline is inane. Everyone knows the corrupt Congress is abusing their power and obstructing for this president. The guideline let's you use judgement. They need to dislodge these dangerous people and give a punishing blow to the Republican party.

Comey got caught between leaking assholes in the NY office & a promise he made to the Senate committee. If he didn't reveal the re-opening of the investigation to the Senate committee it would have leaked anyway & he'd have been a liar. He really had no choice.

I will say, however, that Trump firing him was extremely arrogant & stupid. It set off the whole Special Counsel investigation & he can't really stop it.

Mueller needs to be apolitical & to be seen as such to maintain credibility. You know, Joe Friday- "Just the facts, ma'am." He'll stay as far away from the election as he can to maintain that, rightfully so. It's in the interests of the people and of Justice.
 

Muse

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It's never too late to find President Trump and his administration innocent of any election collusion/conspiracy with Russia and innocent of any obstruction of justice. It was obvious a year ago.
You are a propaganda machine. In fact I doubt you are a real person, you come off here as a bot.
 

Maxima1

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Comey got caught between leaking assholes in the NY office & a promise he made to the Senate committee. If he didn't reveal the re-opening of the investigation to the Senate committee it would have leaked anyway & he'd have been a liar. He really had no choice.

If that's the case, why did Yates and Lynch disagree if it was that obvious he had no choice? He also had another option that makes MUCH more sense: reveal both. Had Comey had Democrat affiliation, there's no way he would have done what he did. And he could have framed the letter much better. Obama fucked up big time picking him as an olive branch to conservatives.

Mueller needs to be apolitical & to be seen as such to maintain credibility. You know, Joe Friday- "Just the facts, ma'am." He'll stay as far away from the election as he can to maintain that, rightfully so. It's in the interests of the people and of Justice.

It's going to be damning, so anyone who doesn't get on board wasn't going to anyway. And it's laughable to think they'll ever see him as apolitical. They'll grasp at anything to smear him as some kind of Democrat. It should already be enough that the major people behind it are Republican.
 
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Jhhnn

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It's never too late to find President Trump and his administration innocent of any election collusion/conspiracy with Russia and innocent of any obstruction of justice. It was obvious a year ago.

Yeh, it's funny how Mueller keeps coming up with airtight indictments, guilty pleas & bigger rats at every turn, isn't it? Manafort agreed to cooperate only a month ago & Cohen a month before that. These things take time & Mueller isn't about to be seen as interfering in the election, anyway. Things may well change radically once the election is over. It's hard to imagine that they won't.
 
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Yeh, it's funny how Mueller keeps coming up with airtight indictments, guilty pleas & bigger rats at every turn, isn't it? Manafort agreed to cooperate only a month ago & Cohen a month before that. These things take time & Mueller isn't about to be seen as interfering in the election, anyway. Things may well change radically once the election is over. It's hard to imagine that they won't.
I guess we'll see when it comes out.:)
 

Jhhnn

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If that's the case, why did Yates and Lynch disagree if it was that obvious he had no choice? He also had another option that makes MUCH more sense: reveal both. Had Comey had Democrat affiliation, there's no way he would have done what he did. And he could have framed the letter much better. Obama fucked up big time picking him as an olive branch to conservatives.



It's going to be damning, so anyone who doesn't get on board wasn't going to anyway. And it's laughable to think they'll ever see him as apolitical. They'll grasp at anything to smear him as some kind of Democrat. It should already be enough that the major people behind it are Republican.

You need to cite Lynch & Yates to make that claim. We also need to specify that second guessing is easy & if Comey made mistakes they were honest ones.

None of that even matters in the context of the Special Counsel. Mueller doesn't have to make that choice. He's just doing his job, chasing down leads & indicting bad actors. He's also controlling the narrative, something Comey couldn't do. I'll tend to trust whatever evidence he unearths. If it means Trump's ass is in a sling, he'll hand that over to Congress. Anybody else just gets busted. And that's the way it should be.