Mubarak to step down

[Lemon law]

Come on Come on, all the credit goes to the Egyptian people, we have just seen history being made before our eyes. For Egypt, 2/11/2011 is their July 4th. And if any external country gets any credit, it is somewhat Tunisia for setting the example.

As a totally new kind of Arab leadership emerges, young, educated, and interested in seeing that their nations economic resources get properly distributed. And because Egypt is rich in national resources, a fire just got lit under the Egyptian economy. And there may be no limit on all the economic prosperity that economic engine can develop.

 

[zinfamous]

Are you kidding me? He got punked. Coming out and saying he was going to step down without obviously knowing what he was going to do made him look like a supreme fool. Obama got bitch slapped by Mubarak/Egypt, nobody respects him.

It's almost like Obama was just reiterating news reports and taking credit for it. WHOOPS! That right there showed he had no clue what was actually going on or what mubarak would do. Completely out of the loop, not involved and in the end he looks really bad.

all that anyone knew at the time was that he was stepping down. Everyone was punked by a despot.

way to go spidey.

 

[spidey07]

So who will help guide them into a healthy democracy?

The US?

The real concern and likely outcome is it gets overrun by muslim brotherhood or other terrorist organization. The chances of a good outcome for this are slim. Only time will tell, but it's looking like Iran 2.0.

 

[zinfamous]

It also shows that Bush was right to say that if we get democracy in Iraq it will spread. And now you're seeing just how right Bush was.

be sure to update us when Iraq gets democracy.

they need a government, first.

 

[zinfamous]

The real concern and likely outcome is it gets overrun by muslim brotherhood or other terrorist organization. The chances of a good outcome for this are slim. Only time will tell, but it's looking like Iran 2.0.

Muslim Brotherhood /= Terrorist Organization.

facts are fun to play with when We The people feeds you all the info you need. rofl.

 

[zinfamous]

anyone that tries to frame this as political spin for Bush or Obama are insulting the Egyptian people and the people that died to serve as catalysts for the Egyptian protests

:thumbsup: x1million

 

[spidey07]

Muslim Brotherhood /= Terrorist Organization.

facts are fun to play with when We The people feeds you all the info you need. rofl.

Right, right. I forgot. They are totally a non-violent secular organization! How silly of me.

 

[chucky2]

So who will help guide them into a healthy democracy?

The US?

After Iraq, the US might actually be one of the better ideas. Who else has done nation building lately?

 

[nobodyknows]

How did you expect Bush to sell to people who's priority is watching American Idol, on top of the WMD concerns, the longer term goal of removing a brutal and unpredictable dictator from a region where we get a significant amount of oil from, so as to stabilize the region and not have to worry about him or his sons any longer? On top of the even longer term goal, which he could never say on TV for fear of enraging the ME fundi's/people, of starting to push them forward socially a few hundred years?

In the 9/11 timeframe, Iraq looks to be pursuing WMD (which long term we know was still true), was sufficient. And more importantly, simple.

Chuck

You are such a Bush apologist it isn't even funny. The American boys and girls who gave their lives were doing so to protect us, you know, Americans. Not to give democracy to Iraq. Most of them were National Guard, do you think they joined the National Guard to risk their lives setting up democracies in other countries?? Geessssshh!!!

Troting out the excuses you have like they mean anything just shows what a kool-aid drinker you are.

 

[zinfamous]

Right, right. I forgot. They are totally a non-violent secular organization! How silly of me.

You've also forgotten that they protected coptic Christians who were bombed this past Christmas, protected Christians in Egypt.

Oh, and what would make you think they were secular? So?


http://www.english.rfi.fr/middle-ea...al-qaeda-threat-say-egypts-muslim-brotherhood


http://thenewadmin.com/top-stories/muslims-to-protect-christians-as-they-hold-mass-in-cairo/


oh, and Al Qaeda considers them enemies

http://www.muslims.net/news/newsfull.php?newid=434859


We The People: proving their idiocy and blind faithful ignorance one day at a time.

 

[nobodyknows]

be sure to update us when Iraq gets democracy.

they need a government, first.

seriously

 

[Paul98]

Muslim Brotherhood is obviously a terrorist organization they have Muslim in their name! We KNOW the vast majority of Muslims are terrorists. Do you ever watch fox news, or Glenn Beck? Look at the facts

/sarcasm off

 

[zinfamous]

Muslim Brotherhood is obviously a terrorist organization they have Muslim in their name! We KNOW the vast majority of Muslims are terrorists. Do you ever watch fox news, or Glenn Beck? Look at the facts

/sarcasm off

It's true b/c we know that Obama's middle name is Hussein, and we of course know that means he is a muslim and a terrorist and he wasn't born in the USA! It's so easy to point this stuff out! I hoenstly don't get why so many people IGNORE THE OBVIOUS!!!

OMG NOESSSSS!

 

[bfdd]

Woot Honsi is gone. The people can't rest until the military gives them their elections though. Action is still required of the Egyptian people.

 

[chucky2]

You are such a Bush apologist it isn't even funny. The American boys and girls who gave their lives were doing so to protect us, you know, Americans. Not to give democracy to Iraq. Most of them were National Guard, do you think they joined the National Guard to risk their lives setting up democracies in other countries?? Geessssshh!!!

Troting out the excuses you have like they mean anything just shows what a kool-aid drinker you are.

No, the US boys and girls were do so to accomplish the objectives laid out by their political leadership, which was liberating Iraq from Saddam and getting it back on its feet: A task they accomplished once the Iraqi's got tired of butchering themselves.

Do I think we should do that to every country? Obviously not. Do I think we should do that for specific countries at specific times due to overriding specific conditions? If necessary, Yes.

I'm a Reality drinker, not a BDS'r, so no 'excuses' found here. "We wanted their oil", "Bush is evil", etc. are all excuses the BDS'rs use as excuses. If they want to bash Bush, they should stick to him abandoning Afghanistan, or failing to push a far more agressive energy policy after 9/11, especially since him and his VP had more sway than O'Bummer will ever have with the Energy industry. At least those have merit.

Chuck

 

[nobodyknows]

No, the US boys and girls were do so to accomplish the objectives laid out by their political leadership, which was liberating Iraq from Saddam and getting it back on its feet: A task they accomplished once the Iraqi's got tired of butchering themselves

It may be OK with you that our goverment out and out lied to us, but not me. At least be honest with yourself. We didn't even catch Osama bin Laden for Christ's sake, WAKE THE FUCK UP!!

 

[manimal]

All the armchair politicians in here have started to disgust me....How you can claim to know whats going to happen or fear whatever outcome based on a half century old failed foreign policy by the military industrial complex is egocentric and a sure sign of our diseased hubris in the US....

I guess we didnt learn from our mistakes in South America in propping up dictators and muiderers because it fit our myopic view what what the world should look like...

I am frankly sick of the idea that we know better from thousands of miles away......


Let the people decide what they want to do....simple as that...

Otherwise were just fooling ourselves into thinking we actually believe in freedom and democracy.....


After living trough the 70s in Brazil, Argentina, and Chile I have come to the realization that US foreign policy has been a failure after Teddy Roosevelt left office...


Again if you are for the status quo in the middle east and against letting the people of whatever country decide their own fates than you are a hypocrite at best and an ignorant simpleton at worst...

 

[postmortemIA]

Come on Come on, all the credit goes to the Egyptian people, we have just seen history being made before our eyes. For Egypt, 2/11/2011 is their July 4th. And if any external country gets any credit, it is somewhat Tunisia for setting the example.

As a totally new kind of Arab leadership emerges, young, educated, and interested in seeing that their nations economic resources get properly distributed. And because Egypt is rich in national resources, a fire just got lit under the Egyptian economy. And there may be no limit on all the economic prosperity that economic engine can develop.

Usually that "smart young people" figure soon out that they can reap natural resources of countries to their bank accounts, on a less obvious way. It is called transition period, and all eastern European countries have experienced it after fall of USSR.

 

[TareX]

The symbol of the regime has fallen.
Switzerland has frozen his assets (not all 40 billion, of course -but it's a step)
People are accepting the military council as a supervising authority till constitutional amendments are made, and parliaments are re-formed.
The military itself realizes it doesn't reflect people's aspirations, and is only taking over to restore order.

People know exactly what they want. They want judicial supervision over elections (something that never existed in any Egyptian elections). The want parliaments that reflect the will of the people. They want a president who reflects the will of the majority. i.e. They want to become a first world country, and Egypt has the resources to become a first world country.

As for peace with Israel, this is something EVERYONE appreciates -not because of their love for the Zionist state, but because it's something the country needs. Nobody wants war.

Let the Hamas, Iranians and Hezbollah crowds cheer as long as they want, this revolution isn't for them, it's for Egypt -and only Egypt.

As for why I was pessimistic yesterday, it's because people were fed up with the lack of security in the country, that only the president's resignation would have ended. When he made his disastrous speech yesterday, there was no end in sight. In addition, people were already divided, some wanted the revolution to pursue towards its symbolic goals, others -mainly intellectuals- were satisfied. However, the millions on the street have spoken, and gave it the last necessary push, and the first irreversible step towards reform has finally been taken.

And that's what it was: a first step.

 

[chucky2]

It may be OK with you that our goverment out and out lied to us, but not me. At least be honest with yourself. We didn't even catch Osama bin Laden for Christ's sake, WAKE THE FUCK UP!!

In this case, when it was clear to anyone who wasn't a BDS'r what the real long term goal for liberating Iraq was, what Bush meant when he was talking about WMD (that it wasn't just about WMD), I was OK with it. Doesn't mean I was happy with how he went about it, but, he got it done - luckily, and barely.

And I never said anything about not catching OBL. I've already said, Bush, and the rest of the major Western forces, can take their lumps for not getting OBL. Worse, much worse, for not properly doing Afghanistan - look what they've - and we've - got now.

But that doesn't mean Iraq wasn't the right long term call...

Chuck

 

[chucky2]

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First, and again, congrats!

Question 1: How long do you think the people will allow military rule to go on before elections?

Question 2: Is the push to re-write the entire Egyption rule of law, or, just for elections and then what happens from there happens?

Question 3: IF the push is for a complete re-write, will the people allow the military to rule that long while that happens? I'd think something like that will take a long while, is there patience enough for something like that?

Chuck

 

[bfdd]

Like I said the Egyptian people can't rest yet. They need to stay active and not let this transitional period pass them by. The only way they're going to have fair democratic elections is if they keep up what they're doing until they get them, regardless of who's actually running the country during that period.

 

[Generator]

I'm impressed by how gallant and peaceful this revolution was. At its worse it was duel between camel and horse jousting. Thats just classy. As for America's involvement, yeah we did play a role. I promise you that if McCain was president he would have backed up Mubarak to the very end resulting in abhorrent violence.

 

[chucky2]

Yeah, No....

 

[bfdd]

I'm impressed by how gallant and peaceful this revolution was. At its worse it was duel between camel and horse jousting. Thats just classy. As for America's involvement, yeah we did play a role. I promise you that if McCain was president he would have backed up Mubarak to the very end resulting in abhorrent violence.

I'm not 100% sure of that. McCain did start towing the party line, but I doubt he would have taken that position.