Megaworks:
That's a film that NEEDS to be made. Are you kidding me? Speilberg may be the most liberal Jew in America, since you seem to be counting.
As an aging jock I can tell you I was horrified that the Olympics of all places should be the venue for such hatred. If it had been the Jamaican bobsled team I would have felt the same way. Might actually have made a better movie, too.
Anyway, does that proposed film demonstrate Spielberg's pro-Israel agenda, his canny business acumen for making a few extra hundred million, his imaginative genius, or....what?
Sheezh, I almost believe I'm bothering with this drivel.... I may fart....
Come on, man, from your prior posts I wouldn't expect this from you.
-Robert
That's a film that NEEDS to be made. Are you kidding me? Speilberg may be the most liberal Jew in America, since you seem to be counting.
As an aging jock I can tell you I was horrified that the Olympics of all places should be the venue for such hatred. If it had been the Jamaican bobsled team I would have felt the same way. Might actually have made a better movie, too.
Anyway, does that proposed film demonstrate Spielberg's pro-Israel agenda, his canny business acumen for making a few extra hundred million, his imaginative genius, or....what?
Sheezh, I almost believe I'm bothering with this drivel.... I may fart....
Come on, man, from your prior posts I wouldn't expect this from you.
-Robert
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Originally posted by: chess9
Megaworks:
That's a film that NEEDS to be made. Are you kidding me? Speilberg may be the most liberal Jew in America, since you seem to be counting.
As an aging jock I can tell you I was horrified that the Olympics of all places should be the venue for such hatred. If it had been the Jamaican bobsled team I would have felt the same way. Might actually have made a better movie, too.
Anyway, does that proposed film demonstrate Spielberg's pro-Israel agenda, his canny business acumen for making a few extra hundred million, his imaginative genius, or....what?
Sheezh, I almost believe I'm bothering with this drivel.... I may fart....
Come on, man, from your prior posts I wouldn't expect this from you.
-Robert
cmon bro, of course he's trying to give a pro-israeli statment here. Palestinians killing Israeli, if he's so liberal would he make a movie showing Israeli atrocities agains the palestinians I don't think so
What country?
They did and much much more than the US ever did. Where are they, that is the $64 question isn't it.
Are you saying that Saddam did or did not need to be removed? Please factor in all of the social and economic factors of the middle east into your answer. Factor in what his form of government was doing and what sort of example it was setting for other nations. Factor in his support for Palestinian terrorists. Factor in his son who was being groomed to take over from papa Saddam and what his rule would have been like.
Who? bin Laden? possibly, but he is also being dealt with. So who is your next choice?
Of course you know what it was all about, some other conspriacy nuts probably agree with you.
We shouldn't stay there but we should "nation build" it into a stable country when we were never there to begin with. I just can't handle your logic .
What in your mind did we get? I thought we helped them when the Soviets invaded their country and then politely got the hell out of their country. Your answer is still without logic.
As for Israel, if you support another holocaust than we should never have supported Israel at all for that is what would have happened if the US had not supported them.
Megaworks:
Give him some time, but don't hold your breath. If you can figure out how that would translate into a good movie, then YOU write the script. The Munich murders is a real life drama just begging for a movie, IMHO. When I saw the blurb my first reaction was: "YES!".
But, on a more somber note, I agree that the Palestinian's side of that story needs a dramatic vehicle.
-Robert
Give him some time, but don't hold your breath.
If you can figure out how that would translate into a good movie, then YOU write the script. The Munich murders is a real life drama just begging for a movie, IMHO. When I saw the blurb my first reaction was: "YES!".But, on a more somber note, I agree that the Palestinian's side of that story needs a dramatic vehicle.
-Robert
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Originally posted by: chess9
Megaworks:
Give him some time, but don't hold your breath.
But, on a more somber note, I agree that the Palestinian's side of that story needs a dramatic vehicle.
-Robert
well said! but if anyone tries to make a movie about the oppression of the Palestinians people they will call it "anti-semitic" and "a propaganda againts Israel"
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MegaWorks - If they told the full story - oppression by their fellow Arabs as they use them as a pawn coupled with a simmering war against Israel, then it might be worth watching.
I have a fair amount of sympathy for their cause (up to and including the knowledge that they're denied voting rights <couples in with the right to return>), but I have no sympathy for their continual decisions to turn to terrorism after they have had multiple opportunities to settle peacefully.
Michael
I have a fair amount of sympathy for their cause (up to and including the knowledge that they're denied voting rights <couples in with the right to return>), but I have no sympathy for their continual decisions to turn to terrorism after they have had multiple opportunities to settle peacefully.
Michael
Nice justification of terrorism, there. I'm surprised the Palestinian response to the "wrongs" that have been done to them by Israel has won them the sympathy of anyone besides the typical, college liberal. I hope I haven't mistakenly excluded you from that group.
Excuse me but I was just quoting the oft quoted Mr Bill O'Reilly on something which he had just said on television the instant before I posted that. If you don't like it then blame him, for he is the one who said it.
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http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/OneDayinSeptember-1102530/
95% fresh, One Day in September (2000)
its an interesting documentary, can be found on netflix. not to say its proof of a jewish lobby. there are plenty of films on middle eastern suffering, most recently films named osama, baran, ararat, khandahar,.
http://www.suntimes.com/ebert/ebert_reviews/2001/03/030902.html
ONE DAY IN SEPTEMBER
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March 9, 2001
A documentary featuring Ankie Spitzer, widow of Israeli fencing coach Andre Spitzer; terrorist Jamal Al Gashey; Alex Springer, son of Jacov Springer, Israeli weight-lifting coach and Olympic judge; wrestler Gad Zabari, and others.
Sony Pictures Classics presents a documentary directed by Kevin Macdonald. Narrated by Michael Douglas. Running time: 92 minutes. No MPAA rating.
BY ROGER EBERT
In September 1972, Palestinian terrorists invaded the athletes' quarters of the Munich Olympiad and took Israeli athletes hostage. By the following evening, 11 Israelis and five of the eight terrorists were dead.
Kevin Macdonald's documentary "One Day in September" retells these events in the style of a thriller, which is a little unsettling. It's one thing to see a fictional re-creation of facts, as in the re-creation of the Cuban missile crisis in "Thirteen Days," and another to see facts tarted up like fiction. Oh, it's exciting, all right, but do we feel ennobled to be thus entertained?
Macdonald brings remarkable research to the film. He has managed to obtain interviews with most of the key figures who are still alive, including the one surviving terrorist, Jamal Al Gashey, now in hiding "in Africa" (the two other survivors were killed by Israeli assassination squads). He talks to an Israeli athlete who escaped, the son of another and the widow of a third, to Israeli coaches and security experts, to German generals and police officers, to journalists who covered the event. His reporting is extraordinary, as he relentlessly builds up a case against the way the Germans and the International Olympic Committee handled the crisis.
Much is made of "German efficiency," Macdonald observes, but the Germans were so inefficient that they had no trained anti-terrorist squad, no security around the compound, no contingency plans, not even effective communication (a police sniper and a helicopter pilot were shot by German police who had not been told who they were). In a development that would be funny if it were not so sad, the Germans stationed a 747 jet on an airport runway as a getaway plane for the terrorists, and staffed it with cops dressed as the plane's crew; but minutes before the plane was to be used, the cops took a vote, decided they were not competent to handle the assignment and walked off the plane.
In a film filled with startling charges, the most shocking is that the three captured terrorists escaped from custody as part of a secret deal with the German government, which essentially wanted the whole matter to be over with. A German aircraft was hijacked by Palestinians, who demanded that the three prisoners be handed over, which they were, with "indecent haste." The film says the plane suspiciously contained only 12 passengers, none of them women or children; now Jamal Al Gashey confirms it was a setup.
As for the Olympic Committee, at first it intended to continue the games during the hostage crisis, and we see athletes of other nations training and relaxing within sight of the dorms where the Israelis were being held. After the games were suspended, thousands watched the standoff as if it were a show, while the Germans continued to bungle (officers crept onto the roof of the building, but the scene was broadcast live on TV, and the terrorists of course were watching the news).
The death of the innocent athletes was an avoidable tragedy, we conclude. If the Israeli secret service had been able to stage a raid, as it had wanted, it's likely many lives would have been saved. The final bloodbath resulted more from German bumbling than from anything else.
Still, one wonders why newsreel shots of Hitler and reminders of the Nazi past are necessary in a film that has almost no time at all to explain who the Palestinians were or why they made such a desperate raid. The raid had nothing to do with the Nazi past, and the current Germans seemed like comic-opera buffoons from a Groucho Marx comedy. If the purpose of a documentary is to inform, it could be argued that audiences already know a great deal about Hitler but are not likely to learn much from a couple of perfunctory shots of Palestinian refugee camps.
"One Day in September" grips the attention and is exciting and involving. I recommend it on that basis--and also because of the new information it contains. I was disturbed, however, by Macdonald's pumped-up style, and by a tasteless conclusion in which images of action, bloodshed and corpses are cut together into a montage and backed with rock music. What was he thinking of?
Footnote: When "One Day in September" won the Academy Award in 2000, its producer, Arthur Cohn, held up the Oscar and boasted, "and I won this without showing it in a single theater!" The documentary community is still angry about that remark. Cohn exhibits his Oscar entries at screenings peopled largely by those on his invitation list and to as few other people as possible. Under the academy bylaws, only those who have seen all five nominated docs can vote, and by limiting those who have seen his, Cohn shrinks the voting pool and improves his odds. Documentary groups and many individual filmmakers have protested this Oscar to the academy.
If the Arab world hates us because of Iraq was it love that caused them to fly into the WWCenter on 9-11?
Some see the Arab world as a half a step up from a common prison yard.
The United States of America remains high above the fray but well able to turn the whole Middle East into a smoldering cinder, at a moments notice.
It is because of our great magnanimity that this has not happened. We have the power to grab all their oil. That alone must make them ?teeth gnashing? crazy!
Like any common thug, these Arabs will never taste real freedom but will remain behind bars.
Turning the whole Middle East into a smoldering cinder and grabbing all their oil sounds similar to something certain European countries are used to doing.
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