MSNBC host Ed Schultz calls Laura Ingraham a slut.

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Craig234

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I'm sure you would be just as understanding if Glenn Beck or Rush called Rachel Maddow a left wing slut.
Don't be such a political slut.

Well, doofus, I'd have exactly the same position that I said.

Fact is, your false equivalence is wrong, too - the right has a history of insuating hate speech - racial, religious, gender - into remarks to make the attack but deny it.

Unlike you, I listed an example of this type of behavior - and there are many, including the 'feminine' attacks on Democratic male candidates we've been inundated with.

Now, only Ann Coulter might pull a Schultz and say 'i love you', but it was quite widespread.

It matters whether is was an error intending to be a gender attack - like I think Schultz did not - or one intending to insinuate such an attack. You will see a difference there.

So when Republicans use words about a black candidate like 'nappy headed' or 'uppity', it's not just wrong on face value - there are underlying racial tones as well.

Do liberals ever do this? They're far less prone to those sorts of attacks - but they do things like false insinuation of racism at times, for example. Also wrong.

You sound like you define what's fair not by what's accurate but simply as 'if Republicans are attacked as worse, by definition it's partisan'.
 

FuzzyBee

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They do, which they're off doing instead of misunderstanding a comment about a *political* slut as you do, which has been apologized for.

It was a poor choice of words for a woman, but I think it was unintentional, unlike so many on the right who try to 'sneak in' ethnic attacks especially with 'dog whistle' attacks.

Take Gingrich's speech this month about Obama as a 'food stamp President'...

*Of course* you think that. You're pathetic.
 

FuzzyBee

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Ed Schultz was clearly calling her a 'talk slut' in the sense of being a mouthpiece for corrupt interests - the same as the phrase 'political whore'. It applies whether to politicians or pundist - anyone who speaks for some powerful interest or agenda and represents them over the broader public interest. Most liberals are likely to view most Republican politicians and pundits in this light. Another flavor of 'political whore' is simply using issues for power - 'Giuliani 9/11', 'Palin he likes to pal with terrorists'.

IMO, his attack is quite correct. But, it's also crudely phrased. (Also, his actual point, that she had a completely inconsistent standard for Reagan and Obama hasn't had a single comment from those who defend her). So, it's fine for him to apologize for the crude phrasing - and of course when apologizing for that, it's not a good idea to undermine the apology by explaining why the actual attack was correct. But I do think the offense is exaggerated, as well.

One other thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that while Schultz was suspended for this, while MSNBC took exception and responsibility for a standard that doesn't permit it, we could compare Fox's standards to back when their host was offensive and suspended... oh wait, has that every happened? No, they instead tend to grab up the people who are too offensive for other media (e.g., Juan Williams who went for the money going on Fox, refusing to follow NPR's standards).

I like most of Schulz's politics; I'm not a big fan of his show, though; I watch it fairly regularly now for the info and guests, but I get tired of his seemingly manufactured 'outrage'. There's plenty to be outraged about, but when he begins each show with 'what has me fired up today is', it loses its impact. Olbermann, who I prefer, refused to do his 'angry commentaries' on demand for the show, instead saying he'd only do them when the issue justified it.

Laura Ingram should be called out for her immoral views more often - but it can be done more directly.

What's cool is that you seem to know exactly what other people are thinking. You could make a fortune doing that for cash.

By the way - would he have said the same thing if Laura were a man?
 

BoomerD

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Don't know many catholic girls do ya?
():)

No shit...most of the Catholic girls I knew in my youth fit the description of "slut" very well...

Besides, maybe she IS a slut...if so, is it wrong to say so?
 

Matt1970

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They refuse to even comment on this little fact. They really wish that somehow the red states are better but the facts are they suck.

Just like the liberals won't comment on spending too much money. Which is what I said in the first place but you nit-wits had to spin it to the red states vs blue states.
 

dali71

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Anybody want to take bets on when NOW will issue a statement of condemnation?

ps - he's suspended.

It's par for the course for NOW. Jerry Brown and his campaign staff were caught on tape strategizing on labeling Meg Whitman a “whore." NOW responded by officially endorsing him a few hours after the tape went public. Alan Grayson called Linda Robertson a “K Street whore." NOW responded by endorsing him. Don't hold your breath waiting for them to condemn Shultz; you'll die long before that happens.
 

HomerJS

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Care to provide an example of a right wing radio host or tv host calling Obama the antichrist?

You need to try reading more carefully. I didn't say a radio or tv host. Now if you are that curious I have an example of a Fox tv host calling Obama a defacto terrorist.
 

UberNeuman

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Craig234

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It's par for the course for NOW. Jerry Brown and his campaign staff were caught on tape strategizing on labeling Meg Whitman a “whore." NOW responded by officially endorsing him a few hours after the tape went public. Alan Grayson called Linda Robertson a “K Street whore." NOW responded by endorsing him. Don't hold your breath waiting for them to condemn Shultz; you'll die long before that happens.

Meg Whitman is a monetary 'whore', if the question is asked.

She wanted to make California the only state in the country that has a state income tax, that has zero tax on capital gains - which would saver her a fortune in taxes.

The word 'whore' was used again in the 'sellout' sense politically, to discuss that she was going to unions and offering to protect their pensions if they'd endorse her.

The Brown campaign was discussing whether to attack her for that.

A "K Street whore" is self-explanatory. When this word gets used for this purpose a lot, and then it happens to be a woman who is the target - this will come up.

Why would NOW's endorsement weigh calling a woman a political whore that's accidentally exposed on a voicemail, and apologized for, over policies for women?

That in fact is what the endorsement should be and was based on:

"As Governor, Mayor, and Attorney General, Jerry Brown has promoted and defended women’s rights,” said California NOW President Patty Bellasalma.

“Jerry stands for fairness and equality and never ever backs down. We have every confidence that he will do the same as California’s next governor.”

There is absolutely nothing to suggest something anti-woman about the incident that would affect who the better choice was.

The right *loves* the chance to try to make this sort of attack that's so often justified for their politicians, against the left - too much, as they make it up mostly out of thin air.

This is no underlying agenda against women's rights Jerry Brown has leading him to 'sneak in' the word whore in a political context by an aide in an accidental message.

There is no underlying anti-woman attitude or agenda Alan Grayson had in calling a Wall Street lobbyist a 'K street whore'.

Grayson later apologized for the term as one offensive to women even though he was not using that definition, as first reported:

"She attacked the Congressman and his efforts to promote a Republican bill to audit the Federal Reserve," Jurkowski said. "She actually questioned his understanding of the difference between fiscal and monetary policy. She had the audacity to attack a Congressman who used to be an economist. She's a career lobbyist who used to work for Enron and advocates for whatever she gets paid to promote."

K Street is where many Washington lobbyists work, and "K Street whore" is a derogatory – though not uncommon – phrase used to describe them in the nation's capital. Grayson, who wants to limit the power of the Fed, made the comment while appearing on the Alex Jones radio show.

"K Street whore" is a "not uncommon" phrase to describe K Street lobbyists.

Yes, it's not in good taste to use about a woman especially, though it can apply to either gender, because it's often a sexist word.
 

PokerGuy

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Usual Craig drivel. When someone he doesn't like (anyone sane) says something bad, it's because they are evil. When one of his left wing nutjobs says the same thing, it's all OK because they don't have the same underlying meaning blah blah blah <insert bullcrap here>.

Just stuff it. I don't care about someone's possible hidden motivations or lack of them. Words mean things, and if someone says something stupid they should be held accountable, no matter where they fall in the political spectrum.
 

Fear No Evil

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LOL @ the lefties. If a right-wing commentator says 'basketball' and 'Obama' in the same show they get accused of being racists. I think this means then that the left is anti-woman? Of course, thats not real surprise they've been that way for a while now.
 

Thump553

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Schultz was doing what TV pundits do best-creating false controversy in order to attract viewers, drive up ratings and thus get paid more. The specifics of what he said and whether it was right or wrong or justified is totally irrelevant.

Outside of occasionally watching Laurence O'Donnell (who at times actually has fresh insight and facts not covered by the others, or Maddow (and sometimes O'Reilly) for an important interview I feel more informed by ignoring all these opinion sluts.
 

Atreus21

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The extent to which leftists are twisting to rationalize this are bordering on pathetic.
 

Zebo

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LOL @ libs bullshit.

This is a offensive gender specific term and not only that it's one that used to set a hypocritical misogynist double standard for women; that they must be chaste and here they defend it's use.

Pathetic.
 

RightIsWrong

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I'll take "Idiot remarks by one talk slut pot calling the other talk slut kettle black" for $1000, Alex.
 

umbrella39

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The repugs are only up in arms because when they hear Ed it takes them a minute or two to figure out it isn't Rush they are listening to. As far as the slut remark, is she?
 

CallMeJoe

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Usual Craig drivel. When someone he doesn't like (anyone sane) says something bad, it's because they are evil. When one of his left wing nutjobs says the same thing, it's all OK because they don't have the same underlying meaning blah blah blah <insert bullcrap here>.
Just stuff it. I don't care about someone's possible hidden motivations or lack of them. Words mean things, and if someone says something stupid they should be held accountable, no matter where they fall in the political spectrum.
For once, I'm forced to agree with PokerGuy. Claiming Ed Schultz's use of the word 'slut' wasn't misogynistic because he's a good liberal and didn't mean it but a Republican's use of the same word would be because we know Republican are all evil bigots is the very paragon of partisan hypocrisy.
 

Ape

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Again is this the "New Tone" the Prez was asking for? lol
 

Zebo

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The repugs are only up in arms because when they hear Ed it takes them a minute or two to figure out it isn't Rush they are listening to. As far as the slut remark, is she?

Ed would never know. Every guy I ever heard call a woman a slut was sexually repressed and couldn't get her anyway. That's what this is all about really he just slipped and quick thinking CYA with "talk slut" Poor Ed.
 

Atreus21

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Where are your criticisms of right-wing pundits when they do similar things?

Dude, give me one. Name a right-wing pundit who has called a woman of the left a slut.

Or a black a ******.

Or an arab a beloved patriot.

Or a hispanic a beloved patriot.

I promise I will nail them to the wall. If Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly, Levin, Coulter...I can't think of any others that I ever listen to...and I will call them a bunch of misogynist/racist fuckheads.

It is amusing to notice that the n-word is asterisked out, but other ethnic or gender slurs are not.
 
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