MSI K8N Neo4 nForce4 Ultra Socket 939

[Dynamyck]

Did you try the Bio from MSI site instead? Or did you just see it happen with the original Fujitsu bio? The bio from MSI can be found at MSI Bio I got the 4000+ from the newegg at well (but haven't yet install it) so I would be very interested in knowning if you only saw that happen with the Fujitsu bio shipped with the board.

I flashed to the 7125NF1M-110-OEM BIOS mentioned above but it didn't solve my problem. (missing 1T/2T setting) I'm pretty sure the MSI BIOS (W7125NCG.1C0) will solve the problem but I'm waiting to here back from the MSI expert on the issue -- Syar2003 before I flash again.

These San Diego E6 chips are really Toledo X2's with one core disabled or damaged during fabrication. So what you have is a single core chip on a very large die. It's stock voltage is very low (1.35v) and runs EXTREMELY cool. I had the clock speed stable at 2900 under Prime stress and temps only got up to 47c max. (Arctic 64 cooler)

Your Newegg 4000+ will almost certainly have the E6 stepping so keep an eye out for the missing command rate settings. I'll report back soon on whether the other BIOS solves this problem or not.

 

[aimanzym]

good price for it. thx OP

 

[Dynamyck]

The W7125NCG.1C0 BIOS solved the missing 1T/2T CR setting for my San Diego 4000+ DH-E6 stepping chip. (works for other E6 SD's too, 3700+, etc.)

Flashed like a champ and the settings re-appeared. This BIOS is identical to the v.1D.

You can get the W7125NCG.1C0 here. It's an ISO, so download and burn to CD, boot it up and choose the 1C BIOS option.

Good Luck

 

[Zolty]

Well I just got the board set up with a fresh version of windows, only oddity I have noticed so far is that when you are sending audio out the optical channel, it swaps left and right. I upgraded from an 1800+ / TI4400 to a 3800 / 7600gs and for $160 it is quite nice.

 

[Kid98]

In for one if for nothing else, because of the length of this thread. 8^)

Needed a cheapie board for a backup and all the feedback here helped me go ahead and buy one.

Thanks to all for this good info and thanks to OP for the deal!!!

Kid

 

[Towermax]

I just bought one to use while my Asus board is being RMA'd. Fired up the bare mobo on the bench and all is well. Will install it tomorrow when I pull the Asus board. Thanks to the OP and all who have contributed to this thread (yes--I've read all of it!)

 

[imported_Primordial]

How long did it take most of you to receive yours? I live in Maine, and it says it shipped on the 26th. Tracking isn't updating so I'm wondering when to expect it...

 

[TomSM]

It took me exactly 5 days. It's funny that they shipped on Saturday too. I order two MBs but one of them seems to be defective, it also has a bent corner near PCIs area. So I'm returning it. The other one is working.
Anyway, how's Geeks.com reputation? I mean do they ship returned products to customers? I knows these boards are OEM but I think they took a load ton of them from a company... I hope the replacement will be good otherwise shipping back and forth cost more than a MB itself.

TS

 

[cubeless]

the one i got sure didn't look like a pull... it was just like a whitebox without the box, fresh bag and a new tape closure... these must have been bulk packed to an oem...

and i just plugged in 2 single sided stix of kingston kvr400 to go with the 2 kingmax that i had... all 512, the kingmax are double sided, the kingston are singlesided...

working at getting all to run @ 2.5 7-3-3... running 2.5 8-4-4 2t right now...

 

[rmrfhomeoops]

Originally posted by: Dynamyck
The W7125NCG.1C0 BIOS solved the missing 1T/2T CR setting for my San Diego 4000+ DH-E6 stepping chip. (works for other E6 SD's too, 3700+, etc.)

Flashed like a champ and the settings re-appeared. This BIOS is identical to the v.1D.

You can get the W7125NCG.1C0 here. It's an ISO, so download and burn to CD, boot it up and choose the 1C BIOS option.

Good Luck

Thanks for hosting the ISO CD image. It contains both the MSI's v1.C and v1.D bio and the modded bio. I'm running my 4000+ using the W7125NCG.1C0 you suggested and will be trying to overclock it tonight. I have the artic 64 cool and Patriot 1GB x2 running 2-3-2-5/1T @ 200Mhz. I wonder if it'll able to run at 3Ghz with ram speed @ 250 @ 3-8-8-7.

 

[zetachi]

anyone have an issue with this board and FSB over 260 in BIOS? I can run the board up to about 315 with Clockgen and it rock solid with my OPTY 144 but If I set the FSB in BIOS to anything above 260 it boots but it leaves the FSB at 260.

I am using the Clockgen auto start trick to get it to 300 on boot up. But would like to know if there is a way to do it in BIOS>

Thanks

 

[imported_Primordial]

ahhh PLEASE HELP.

no matter what I do, I can not connect to the internet. Geeks did not send me a drivers disc, and the ones I downloaded install fine... but the internet still doesn't work. I tried generic VIA drivers and it said I didn't have the proper hardware... and my old Neo2 disc seems to have no way of installing (no option appears...)

I simply cannot get internet to work and have no clue why.


What should I try??

 

[clipperfixer]

You have to install the chipset drivers too. I have them if you can't find them. I will email them to you if you need them, let me know. if you need them just pm me.
Ray

 

[Dynamyck]

no matter what I do, I can not connect to the internet. Geeks did not send me a drivers disc, and the ones I downloaded install fine... but the internet still doesn't work. I tried generic VIA drivers and it said I didn't have the proper hardware... and my old Neo2 disc seems to have no way of installing (no option appears...)

Assuming you got the geeks MSI board, its chipset is Nvidia Nforce4, not VIA. Could that be the problem?

 

[imported_Primordial]

I'm just trying various things out of desperation. I downloaded the drivers linked in this thread... but I have no internet still..

 

[cardiac]

Originally posted by: Primordial
ahhh PLEASE HELP.

no matter what I do, I can not connect to the internet. Geeks did not send me a drivers disc, and the ones I downloaded install fine... but the internet still doesn't work. I tried generic VIA drivers and it said I didn't have the proper hardware... and my old Neo2 disc seems to have no way of installing (no option appears...)

I simply cannot get internet to work and have no clue why.


What should I try??

Here's the drivers: K8N Nvidia drivers


They all work great for me. Uninstall everything you have then install these.....

Bob

 

[TomSM]

Primordial: Download "NVIDIA nForce4 System Drivers" from Cardiac's link then extract it. Go to Ethernet in that extracted folder and copy all files to a floppy diskette. Do clean install. When Windows installation is done, press Windows key + Break/Pause, right-click on "...PCI... blah... blah..." click update driver, put in your floppy diskette with Ethernet driver. Reboot, you should have a working internet device. Then do full package "NVIDIA nForce4 System Drivers" install.

Or shortest and safest way, burn all drivers to a CD then do clean install...

TS

 

[Towermax]

Installed the board today as a replacement for my RMA'd Asus A8N5X. Flashed the bios successfully using MSI LiveUpdate.

So far the 3800X2 is Prime95 stable for 3 hours at 2440 (244 X 10). Temps at 57C or below. Heatsink is Scythe Ninja with 120mm Yate Loon.

Never could get it above 2400 on the Asus board, so that's a plus. I'll let it prime all day tomorrow and we'll see if it holds up. RAM is two 1GB sticks of Corsair TwinX XMS at 3-3-3-8, 166 divider, and 2.75V. HT at 4X. I'll try 2.5 latency tomorrow, since that worked on the Asus board for 54 hours of memtest86.

No so good:

- The voltage regulation, as someone noted earlier, seems a little flakey. Vcore is set at 1.42, because core 1 would crash after 30 seconds of prime95 at the default 1.35. I suspect that at stock volts it was sometimes dipping too low to maintain the overclock (down to 1.29).

Both CPU-Z and Speedfan show it now fluctuating between 1.37 and 1.42 while priming. The Asus board had much less fluctuation and held the 2400 overclock at default Vcore. (For those who care, the power supply is an Antec Truepower II 430.)

- I have RAID disabled in the bios. But when I enable "aggressive timings" in the bios, the RAID bios screen pops up during boot and locks up the system--I mean, that's weird! When I check the RAID settings, they're still disabled.

- It's set for 1T, but a couple of times the POST screen has reported 2T, and so does CPU-Z. What's up with that? It never varied from 1T in the Asus board.

- Something I should have noticed ahead of time--this is one of those boards where the video slot is right in line with the chipset fan. When I replaced the noisy chipset fan with a Zalman passive heatsink, my long X1800GTO would not seat. Had to ghetto mod the Zalman--hacksaw off three fins and mount it at an angle, just barely covering the NF4 chip. Works fine, just looks a little funky.

All-in-all, good first impressions--none of the problems are big ones--much better than one could expect for a $40.00 board.

 

[weepul]

price has dropped to $40.99

//krunk (^_^x)

 

[GeezerMan]

Originally posted by: Towermax
Installed the board today as a replacement for my RMA'd Asus A8N5X. Flashed the bios successfully using MSI LiveUpdate.

So far the 3800X2 is Prime95 stable for 3 hours at 2440 (244 X 10). Temps at 57C or below. Heatsink is Scythe Ninja with 120mm Yate Loon.

Never could get it above 2400 on the Asus board, so that's a plus. I'll let it prime all day tomorrow and we'll see if it holds up. RAM is two 1GB sticks of Corsair TwinX XMS at 3-3-3-8, 166 divider, and 2.75V. HT at 4X. I'll try 2.5 latency tomorrow, since that worked on the Asus board for 54 hours of memtest86.

No so good:

- The voltage regulation, as someone noted earlier, seems a little flakey. Vcore is set at 1.42, because core 1 would crash after 30 seconds of prime95 at the default 1.35. I suspect that at stock volts it was sometimes dipping too low to maintain the overclock (down to 1.29).

Both CPU-Z and Speedfan show it now fluctuating between 1.37 and 1.42 while priming. The Asus board had much less fluctuation and held the 2400 overclock at default Vcore. (For those who care, the power supply is an Antec Truepower II 430.)

- I have RAID disabled in the bios. But when I enable "aggressive timings" in the bios, the RAID bios screen pops up during boot and locks up the system--I mean, that's weird! When I check the RAID settings, they're still disabled.

- It's set for 1T, but a couple of times the POST screen has reported 2T, and so does CPU-Z. What's up with that? It never varied from 1T in the Asus board.

- Something I should have noticed ahead of time--this is one of those boards where the video slot is right in line with the chipset fan. When I replaced the noisy chipset fan with a Zalman passive heatsink, my long X1800GTO would not seat. Had to ghetto mod the Zalman--hacksaw off three fins and mount it at an angle, just barely covering the NF4 chip. Works fine, just looks a little funky.

All-in-all, good first impressions--none of the problems are big ones--much better than one could expect for a $40.00 board.

I'm not so sure of speedfan, or any other monitoring program. Speedfan reported my 12 volt at 12.7, but a multimeter says it's at 11.9. The same for temps. It sometimes shows temps for me below room temp, and that's not possible. Sometimes the temp difference between speedfan and the MSI utility is 7 or 8 degrees. Could be the program, could be the sensors . Oh, and don't run speedfan with the MSI fan control utility. It turned my CPU fan down to half speed, under heavy load. Luckily I was sitting here when it happened. Not cool.( a little pun there)

 

[FlyPenFly]

Anybody running Vista on this successfully, any problems?

This should be compatible with a 4600+ X2 right?

 

[Towermax]

Originally posted by: GeezerMan
I'm not so sure of speedfan, or any other monitoring program. Speedfan reported my 12 volt at 12.7, but a multimeter says it's at 11.9. The same for temps. It sometimes shows temps for me below room temp, and that's not possible. Sometimes the temp difference between speedfan and the MSI utility is 7 or 8 degrees. Could be the program, could be the sensors . Oh, and don't run speedfan with the MSI fan control utility. It turned my CPU fan down to half speed, under heavy load. Luckily I was sitting here when it happened. Not cool.( a little pun there)

I agree with you regarding the accuracy of monitoring programs--I too get different results from different programs. My concern is more about the range of fluctuation on this MSI board. Whether the absolute numbers are correct or not is an important, but separate, issue.

I quickly discovered the conflict between Speedfan and the MSI utilities. The first time I loaded the Core utility, it killed Speedfan. Doesn't happen every time, but obviously there's some failure to cooperate.

 

[GeezerMan]

Well, I know that speedfan reported my 12 volt as mostly high, but it would fluctuate quite a bit, even under idle, while my multimeter was pretty steady.
I can't remember about the vcore, I'll have to take a look later on.

 

[hewho]

Have been playing with this MB for the last 3weeks.
It is well worth the $40.

Most the voltages seem tobe in range, but the VCore ripples a little more that most.
My board will not post with a 4000+ SD out of the box, flash bio to 1D took care of it.

Anyone been able to get a 4000+ SD E4 to go over 3.0 G with this thing ?
My setup tops out at 2.9 G., ram and temp. are not he limiting factor.
But 1.4 Volt Vcore max in the bio for this chip is.

Thanks
JT

 

[mrrman]

I may pick up the mobo and cpu for a friend...they need a decent rig