MS is very pushy with windows 10

[ninaholic37]

Win 10 is free and it works great, and it games fantastic. Once games are written to support Dx12 it'll only get better. Some peeps need to do some learning before making such silly comments....

Not sure what 2015+ gaming and DX12 has to do with what you're replying to?

 

[JackMDS]

My plumber runs his business on XP.

When I inquired whether he heard about Win 7 etc.?

His answer was: "Changes occurred in Plumbing but none of them is such that you need to upgrade computers' OS".

That applies to many other aspect of our life.

The issue has to do with Judgment, and computers' Enthusiasts seem Not to so well when it come to General Judgement.



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[postmortemIA]

If you are stuck on a 14 year old OS and cant even update to a 6 year old one. Then someone failed flat out along the road. And shouldnt be working with what they work with.

The future will only be much more dynamic with OS update. And no update can mean gaping security holes that will never be fixed.

Try writing some apps that need to work for today's OS and for ones 10 yrs from now, when Microsoft completely changes their mind and breaks them. Without you doing anything. You think they have resources to update them every other year, upon every Microsoft's whim? Or NASA is going to spend money on doing some actual work?

 

[Benoses]

It's pushy, indeed. There is one thing, you should be aware of, before deciding to upgrade to Windows 10. It's the way they will collect and use your sensitive personal data, like passwords, e-mails, text messages, contact info and browser history through their new features like Cortana, OneDrive or Wi-Fi Sense. Not many people find time for reading service agreement or settings they accept. The easiest way is to open ShutUp 10, a free antispy tool that will help you choose only acceptable for you features and disable those, which compromise your privacy.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Try writing some apps that need to work for today's OS and for ones 10 yrs from now, when Microsoft completely changes their mind and breaks them. Without you doing anything. You think they have resources to update them every other year, upon every Microsoft's whim? Or NASA is going to spend money on doing some actual work?

I got apps I made back in 1995 and 1996 for 32bit NT that still work on 64bit Windows 10.

The only thing these places do is to push the issue ahead and only make it worse. There is no going back in time, only forward. If your apps dont work on anything above XP. Then you need to spend money on fixing that issue, instead of paying out the nose to MS to extend XP support in small bits. But for most of them there is no software issues at all. Its just because some "IT" people have been sitting on their hands for too long instead of doing what they are payed to do.
The main issue tend to be evolving around the change of state rather than anything else. Its a large jump skill and understanding wise to go from XP/2003 to Vista/2008 and up in the enterprise. While going something like Vista/2008 to Windows 10/2012R2 is pretty straight forward and trivial in compare. Not to mention some newer hardware cant even run XP at all. Since no drivers simply exist.

They all got leasing type deals, so upgrade on the OS and Office part etc is free for them.

In case of some of them. Its not just XP. Its also Windows 2003 Server, Exchange 2003, Office 2003 and so on. Its no surprise they get hacked left and right and fight with incompatibilities with newer formats and technology every day.

 

[escrow4]

I got apps I made back in 1995 and 1996 for 32bit NT that still work on 64bit Windows 10.

The only thing these places do is to push the issue ahead and only make it worse. There is no going back in time, only forward. If your apps dont work on anything above XP. Then you need to spend money on fixing that issue, instead of paying out the nose to MS to extend XP support in small bits. But for most of them there is no software issues at all. Its just because some "IT" people have been sitting on their hands for too long instead of doing what they are payed to do.
The main issue tend to be evolving around the change of state rather than anything else. Its a large jump skill and understanding wise to go from XP/2003 to Vista/2008 and up in the enterprise. While going something like Vista/2008 to Windows 10/2012R2 is pretty straight forward and trivial in compare. Not to mention some newer hardware cant even run XP at all. Since no drivers simply exist.

They all got leasing type deals, so upgrade on the OS and Office part etc is free for them.

In case of some of them. Its not just XP. Its also Windows 2003 Server, Exchange 2003, Office 2003 and so on. Its no surprise they get hacked left and right and fight with incompatibilities with newer formats and technology every day.

Its 2015, logically virtualise them in the cloud and connect via a browser. No more compatibility issues. Offline, run a local copy on a local server, rest use thin clients. Or if you do stick with an app make it flexible and not some fat outdated pig that only runs on a decade plus old OS.

 

[Benoses]

I've recently found Emsisoft company blog and was surprised at the amount of great and useful articles they have on cyber security. There is also information about Windows 10 with its pros ans cons as well as privacy issues and ways to eliminate them.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Our hospital still uses NT4 for some stuff. Corporate mentality is to not use open source or custom in house code and if by chance they do use custom coded stuff they outsource it to some really crappy outsourcer like CGI. In the case of proprietary software, 10 years later the company that makes the software no longer exists and there's no upgrade path and the system is too critical to touch. In the case of an outsourcer, the code will be so horribly written that it is next to impossible to upgrade or change.

On similar note, companies also can't be expected to upgrade every time a new OS comes out. Upgrades are a lost of productivity for little to no improvement to the actual work flow and a lot of work to do.

 

[Indus]

In all honesty unless you game.. and need updated directx.. there has been very few reasons to upgrade from Windows 2000/ XP.

Plenty of people I know in businesses still use 2000/ XP and banks especially and ATM's even more so.

 

[mmntech]

Want to get rid of that annoying prompt pestering you to upgrade to Windows 10?

Go to Windows Update -> click "Installed Updates" on the bottom left - > search for KB3035583 -> remove it and reboot. Run Windows Update, find where it asks if you want to install KB3035583, right click it and select "hide update".

I'd probably update to Windows 10 if it weren't for Microsoft's obnoxious privacy policy. Current rig will probably be on Windows 7 until its finally retired.

 

[ronbo613]

Want to get rid of that annoying prompt pestering you to upgrade to Windows 10?

Go to Windows Update -> click "Installed Updates" on the bottom left - > search for KB3035583 -> remove it and reboot. Run Windows Update, find where it asks if you want to install KB3035583, right click it and select "hide update".

I'd probably update to Windows 10 if it weren't for Microsoft's obnoxious privacy policy. Current rig will probably be on Windows 7 until its finally retired.

If you want your Windows 7 computer to be completely(I hope) rid of Windows 10 setup and installation files, you need to remove more updates than KB3035583. After you remove these updates and hide them, you need to reboot a number of times because different updates will reappear as both "Recommended" and "Critical" updates.

I consider that somewhat "pushy".

 

[SparkyJJO]

I just checked another network worth of systems. Nope, none have even attempted a single Windows 10 update since I told them not to.

 

[JackMDS]

I just checked another network worth of systems. Nope, none have even attempted a single Windows 10 update since I told them not to.

So you can say for the first few hours/day (whatever) "none have even attempted a single Windows 10 update".

However stay tune, as Doris Day use to sing "Qur sera sera, what ever will be will be the future is Not ours to see".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azxoVRTwlNg



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[Z15CAM]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2448897
Que sera ;o)

 

[Benoses]

I was curious about Windows 10 and haven't made up my mind yet whether to upgrade to it or not. So many people complain about privacy issues. The truth about Windows 10 spying on almost everything you do may be a revelation for some users. Personally I am not afraid of any malware or adware they often talk about. I've been having Emsisoft Internet Security toolkit for some time already, and it's doing just fine. What I like most about it, is that they have tutorial with step-by-step instructions on how to scan your PC (for us, seniors, it may be difficult sometimes to catch up with all these software), and more than that it's absolutely free and fully portable. Its behavior blocking technology prevents emerging threats before other software can do the same.

 

[SparkyJJO]

So you can say for the first few hours/day (whatever) "none have even attempted a single Windows 10 update".

However stay tune, as Doris Day use to sing "Qur sera sera, what ever will be will be the future is Not ours to see".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azxoVRTwlNg



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If they had tried it would have been in the logs somewhere (as shown by one system that did have them installed a month ago and failed). No, the updates are still not installed, there is no record of any attempts, nothing. So, yeah, I can safely say that in the last 30 days none of them have attempted since the logs and installed updates do not indicate otherwise.

 

[RampantAndroid]

In all honesty unless you game.. and need updated directx.. there has been very few reasons to upgrade from Windows 2000/ XP.

Plenty of people I know in businesses still use 2000/ XP and banks especially and ATM's even more so.

XP exists as a POS system in many places...and it's updated for them. But it isn't at all advisable for security reasons. Hell, if places like Target and Home Depot had actually updated to Windows 7, those hacks wouldn't have happened (iirc, they were buffer overruns.)

No one who has their PC online should be on XP. If you need XP, it should be inside of a VM and ideally, without any NIC connected.