Mr Hummer, meet Mr Ram

[theNEOone]

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: DeathByAnts
hmm, lemme thing here-

hummer-totaled
doge-totaled or close enough to it


I tihnk everyone lost

They are both totalled. The H2 is a full size Chevy pickup with a passenger cab body on it. The Dodge is a beast.

Wrong on both accounts. The Hummer H2 is based on the Hummer platform, not the Chevrolet pickup platform.

I should know.

HUMMER H2
The Hummer H2 is the result of a December 1999 agreement in which General Motors bought the rights to the Hummer name and marketing. Although it is built in a new AM General plant in Mishawaka, Indiana, the H2 is based on a Tahoe/Suburban platform with 7.2 inches chopped out of its midsection to make for a 122.8-inch wheelbase.

See the first paragraph. You are owned again Nik, now STFU.

I said pickup truck; it's based on the Tahoe. Who's closer? Methinks me.

certified 0wnage.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: DeathByAnts
hmm, lemme thing here-

hummer-totaled
doge-totaled or close enough to it


I tihnk everyone lost

They are both totalled. The H2 is a full size Chevy pickup with a passenger cab body on it. The Dodge is a beast.

Wrong on both accounts. The Hummer H2 is based on the Hummer platform, not the Chevrolet pickup platform.

I should know.

HUMMER H2
The Hummer H2 is the result of a December 1999 agreement in which General Motors bought the rights to the Hummer name and marketing. Although it is built in a new AM General plant in Mishawaka, Indiana, the H2 is based on a Tahoe/Suburban platform with 7.2 inches chopped out of its midsection to make for a 122.8-inch wheelbase.

See the first paragraph. You are owned again Nik, now STFU.

I said pickup truck; it's based on the Tahoe. Who's closer? Methinks me.

What a crock of crap. You find where that information is said on one of these sites and I'll forward your findings to my ops manager and GM representatives at my call center and tell them that they're lying.

Hummer.com
Media.gm.com
GM.com
AM General

Come on you pansy.

Look at my link blind-boy. It says it right there in the first paragraph!

Right. And instead of assuming that Car and Driver is correct, why don't you go to the source and get some real information, huh?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: DeathByAnts
hmm, lemme thing here-

hummer-totaled
doge-totaled or close enough to it


I tihnk everyone lost

They are both totalled. The H2 is a full size Chevy pickup with a passenger cab body on it. The Dodge is a beast.

Wrong on both accounts. The Hummer H2 is based on the Hummer platform, not the Chevrolet pickup platform.

I should know.

HUMMER H2
The Hummer H2 is the result of a December 1999 agreement in which General Motors bought the rights to the Hummer name and marketing. Although it is built in a new AM General plant in Mishawaka, Indiana, the H2 is based on a Tahoe/Suburban platform with 7.2 inches chopped out of its midsection to make for a 122.8-inch wheelbase.

See the first paragraph. You are owned again Nik, now STFU.

I said pickup truck; it's based on the Tahoe. Who's closer? Methinks me.

certified 0wnage.

not yet

 

[MichaelD]

I'm looking. I highly doubt that Car And Driver is incorrect though.

Typically, manufacturers don't advertise that they are recycling technology/platforms. I.E. the Camaro/Firebird twins. Both F-body. Same damn thing.

I'm looking.

 

FFMcobalt == Paul Kariya
MichealD == Scott Stevens.

 

[MichaelD]

Like its brother the H2 SUV, the SUT will draw inspiration from its military heritage and mechanicals from the full-size GM SUV platform. Derived from the H2 SUV, the SUT will be functional, versatile and reconfigurable, adapting its own version of the midgate that defines the Chevrolet Avalanche.

The above is a paragraph on the upcoming H2 convertible thing. But check out the bolding!

This article here.

I can't find anything on GMs links but why would they advertise they are just recycling things, hmm?

 

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: SammySon
FFMcobalt == Paul Kariya
MichealD == Scott Stevens.

Whom? I don't know any of those guys.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: MichaelD
I'm looking. I highly doubt that Car And Driver is incorrect though.

Typically, manufacturers don't advertise that they are recycling technology/platforms. I.E. the Camaro/Firebird twins. Both F-body. Same damn thing.

I'm looking.

Well, the two cars being sister vehicles is correct. The Camaro and Firebird were built on virtually the same frame, like the Cavalier and the Sunfire. In that case, yes, they're virtually the same vehicle.

I have a chart at work that I can save to disk and bring here that shows sister vehicle comparisons within GM -and Hummer is on it's own page. When you start chopping up the frame, you're looking at an entirely different vehicle. If that isn't the case, then you can say that the S-10 and Silverado are the same trucks because there's only a slight difference. That's not going to happen because there are HUGE differences like the suspension, body, entire power train, etc. That's the same thing with the Hummer and the Tahoe (or another Chevy pickup). They may be similar in size, but that doesn't mean that they're anywhere close to the same. They are entirely different.

 

[EvilYoda]

Originally posted by: SammySon
FFMcobalt == Paul Kariya
MichealD == Scott Stevens.

bwahahahaha! Regardless of who's right (I'm not paying attention to that drivel), nice comparison.

 

[Cyberian]

Originally posted by: EvilYoda
Yeah, that subtitle isn't cool...just a couple of GM/Chevy/etc. haters probably, since the Dodge is in the background, and was equally totally, even tho it probably had some weight on the H2...plus, it's not just a "normal" model, is it? I mean, look at the rear tires...heavy duty model, or something?

<--Doesn't know his Dodge trucks.

Has that Dodge got dual rear wheels?
I really can't tell with these eyes and this monitor.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Like its brother the H2 SUV, the SUT will draw inspiration from its military heritage and mechanicals from the full-size GM SUV platform. Derived from the H2 SUV, the SUT will be functional, versatile and reconfigurable, adapting its own version of the midgate that defines the Chevrolet Avalanche.

The above is a paragraph on the upcoming H2 convertible thing. But check out the bolding!

This article here.

I can't find anything on GMs links but why would they advertise they are just recycling things, hmm?

If you want to call it Recycling, that's fine. If you look up the Buick Rainier that's coming up, or lots of the other vehicles that have sister vehicles within GM, GM says outright that they're built on the same platform, but go into why they're different.

The H2 isn't even built on the same platform as the Tahoe.

 

[MichaelD]

I know the frame gets chopped and lengthened. But to my way of thinking, if you take a certain style dining room table and add a leaf in it to make it longer, it's still the same table, only longer!

 

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: EvilYoda

Originally posted by: SammySon
FFMcobalt == Paul Kariya
MichealD == Scott Stevens.

bwahahahaha! Regardless of who's right (I'm not paying attention to that drivel), nice comparison.

Who the hell are those two guys, please?

 

[d33pt]

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: DeathByAnts
hmm, lemme thing here-

hummer-totaled
doge-totaled or close enough to it


I tihnk everyone lost

They are both totalled. The H2 is a full size Chevy pickup with a passenger cab body on it. The Dodge is a beast.

Wrong on both accounts. The Hummer H2 is based on the Hummer platform, not the Chevrolet pickup platform.

I should know.

HUMMER H2
The Hummer H2 is the result of a December 1999 agreement in which General Motors bought the rights to the Hummer name and marketing. Although it is built in a new AM General plant in Mishawaka, Indiana, the H2 is based on a Tahoe/Suburban platform with 7.2 inches chopped out of its midsection to make for a 122.8-inch wheelbase.

See the first paragraph. You are owned again Nik, now STFU.

I said pickup truck; it's based on the Tahoe. Who's closer? Methinks me.

Tahoe is based on the chevy pickup anyway...same frame.. just SUV body. Nik is a dumbass that just likes to flap his lips..

 

[Colt45]

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: EvilYoda

Originally posted by: SammySon
FFMcobalt == Paul Kariya
MichealD == Scott Stevens.

bwahahahaha! Regardless of who's right (I'm not paying attention to that drivel), nice comparison.

Who the hell are those two guys, please?

hockey players. guy #1 got owned by guy #2, or something.

i think sammy is saying that ffm got owned.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: MichaelD
I know the frame gets chopped and lengthened. But to my way of thinking, if you take a certain style dining room table and add a leaf in it to make it longer, it's still the same table, only longer!

In this case, they're taking one frame, removing certain parts, adding other parts, and completely redesigning it. If you add a leaf to the table, you would have to redesign the size/shape of the leaf, the size/shape of the table legs (most likely using all new ones), change the way the edge of the table has been styled, etc. in order for the analogy to work.

It may be made out of the same wood, but it is a completely different table.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: d33pt

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: DeathByAnts
hmm, lemme thing here-

hummer-totaled
doge-totaled or close enough to it


I tihnk everyone lost

They are both totalled. The H2 is a full size Chevy pickup with a passenger cab body on it. The Dodge is a beast.

Wrong on both accounts. The Hummer H2 is based on the Hummer platform, not the Chevrolet pickup platform.

I should know.

HUMMER H2
The Hummer H2 is the result of a December 1999 agreement in which General Motors bought the rights to the Hummer name and marketing. Although it is built in a new AM General plant in Mishawaka, Indiana, the H2 is based on a Tahoe/Suburban platform with 7.2 inches chopped out of its midsection to make for a 122.8-inch wheelbase.

See the first paragraph. You are owned again Nik, now STFU.

I said pickup truck; it's based on the Tahoe. Who's closer? Methinks me.

Tahoe is based on the chevy pickup anyway...same frame.. just SUV body. Nik is a dumbass that just likes to flap his lips..

If you're making the comparison from everything-to-everything (ie truck to tahoe to H2) then you aren't seeing the major differences that make these vehicles completely different. How do you define "based on"?? Does "based on" mean that it "looks similar to"?? If so, then every single coupe and sedan out there is "based" on each other, making it all pointless.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Wtf? FFMCobalt? Are you a moron? You think the H2 is based on the real Hummer???? I don't like you, but I really didn't think you were stupid.


MichaelD isn't saying it's similar to the Silverado/1500/Tahoe/Suburban/whatever. He's saying it's the same platform. Anyone who pays any attention to cars knows this. For Christ's sake!!

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Wtf? FFMCobalt? Are you a moron? You think the H2 is based on the real Hummer???? I don't like you, but I really didn't think you were stupid.

There are obvious differences. Maybe I should clerify. When someone (namely my ops manager who works for GM) comes to me and says that the Hummer's frame/chassis were built spedifically to resemble the Hummer, I don't argue.

 

[vi edit]

If you're making the comparison from everything-to-everything (ie truck to tahoe to H2) then you aren't seeing the major differences that make these vehicles completely different. How do you define "based on"?? Does "based on" mean that it "looks similar to"?? If so, then every single coupe and sedan out there is "based" on each other, making it all pointless.

Dude....WTF is your problem? Do you not understand the concept of a platform?

The camry, highlander, RX300, sienna, and avalon all share the same platform.
The TT, golf, jetta, beetle, cabrio, and A3 all share th same platform.
The pilot, oddesy, and mdx all share the same platform.
The suburban, tahoe, silverado, sierra, escalade, avalanche, and H2 all share the same platform.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Wtf? FFMCobalt? Are you a moron? You think the H2 is based on the real Hummer???? I don't like you, but I really didn't think you were stupid.

There are obvious differences. Maybe I should clerify. When someone (namely my ops manager who works for GM) comes to me and says that the Hummer's frame/chassis were built spedifically to resemble the Hummer, I don't argue.

How do the frame and chassis resemble the real hummer? Does it have indepent rear suspension? What is the ground clearance? When the "ops manager who works for GM" comes to you and tells you bullsh!t, you don't post it on a forum as fact.

 

[ThePresence]

STFU ALREADY!

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Wtf? FFMCobalt? Are you a moron? You think the H2 is based on the real Hummer???? I don't like you, but I really didn't think you were stupid.

There are obvious differences. Maybe I should clerify. When someone (namely my ops manager who works for GM) comes to me and says that the Hummer's frame/chassis were built spedifically to resemble the Hummer, I don't argue.

How do the frame and chassis resemble the real hummer? Does it have indepent rear suspension? What is the ground clearance? When the "ops manager who works for GM" comes to you and tells you bullsh!t, you don't post it on a forum as fact.

1) Just because it doesn't have independant rear suspension doesn't mean that it's not designed to look like a hummer. The suspension is a 5-link variable-rate coil spring, 46mm monotube gas shocks, 30mm stabilizer bar (coil) or 32mm (air).
2) minimum ground clearance is 10in for coil and 10.5in for air.

 

[loup garou]

Jesus, Nik, you are hardheaded. The H2's frame is composed of a modified GM 2500-Series front, a new, completely boxed midsection, and a modified GM 1500-Series rear. It is in no way based off the H1.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

If you're making the comparison from everything-to-everything (ie truck to tahoe to H2) then you aren't seeing the major differences that make these vehicles completely different. How do you define "based on"?? Does "based on" mean that it "looks similar to"?? If so, then every single coupe and sedan out there is "based" on each other, making it all pointless.

Dude....WTF is your problem? Do you not understand the concept of a platform?

The camry, highlander, RX300, sienna, and avalon all share the same platform.
The TT, golf, jetta, beetle, cabrio, and A3 all share th same platform.
The pilot, oddesy, and mdx all share the same platform.
The suburban, tahoe, silverado, sierra, escalade, avalanche, and H2 all share the same platform.

So what you're telling me is that these vehicles have the EXACT SAME frame? EXACTLY THE SAME?