blackangst1
Lifer
Yes, they did, and it was the SAME photo they are using now, different photoshop.
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Yes, they did, and it was the SAME photo they are using now, different photoshop.
3chordcharlie
Diamond Member
I don't know, did they? (Hint: read the first post).
The photo use is 'careless and dumb', or possibly 'lazy and arrogant', but has absolutely no bearing on the larger issue at hand. You know this, and so does everyone else.
/thread.
umbrella39
Lifer
rest of tripe snipped..
Indeed, the despair actually has a stink to it now. Not to mention the continued search for fake outrage material about totally insignificant things moveson! LMFAO.
blackangst1
Lifer
Perhaps lying, deceit, and misrepresentation of our military isnt an issue with you.
Dont people hate the current administration for lying and deceiving? Oh thats right. It's a more serious issue.
So it's OK for an organization to lie, deceive, and misrepresent our military, ESPECIALLY one who represents the Dems so prominantly, as long as it doesnt have anything to do with the war.
OK I get it.
RightIsWrong
Diamond Member
This reminds me of the "Rathergate" episode. No one on the right will address the actual claim being made but find something else to attack and then claim that the entire issue is moot because one thing is not valid.
"See, I told ya that CBS used unsubstantiated documents. That proves that any claims they make about Bush not completing his service duty are completely bogus!" :roll:
That would be like the Dems attempting to state that any claims by the right to Clinton being a cheater are completely invalid because one woman's claim wasn't substantiated.
"See, I told ya that CBS used unsubstantiated documents. That proves that any claims they make about Bush not completing his service duty are completely bogus!" :roll:
That would be like the Dems attempting to state that any claims by the right to Clinton being a cheater are completely invalid because one woman's claim wasn't substantiated.
You are an idiot if you think that showing a picture of people in the exact same situation as our troops but wearing different uniforms is "lying, deceit, and misrepresentation". I mean it, an idiot.
You people are desperately searching for something to get outraged about... I mean reaching for absolutely anything that will work, and this was the best you could come up with. People with differently camoflaged pants. Think about how pathetic that is for a second.
theeedude
Lifer
Republicans still trying to build a bogeyman out of Moveon.org
Most Democrats don't even care about that organization all that much. It's mostly young idealistic activists that do. Certainly it may be good to have their support if you are a candidate, but they aren't king makers by any stretch. It's kind of like Daily Kos, the right tries to demonize them, but all they are doing is giving them free publicity. The guy runs a blog, for crying out loud. He has no real pull.
Most Democrats don't even care about that organization all that much. It's mostly young idealistic activists that do. Certainly it may be good to have their support if you are a candidate, but they aren't king makers by any stretch. It's kind of like Daily Kos, the right tries to demonize them, but all they are doing is giving them free publicity. The guy runs a blog, for crying out loud. He has no real pull.
Funny thing, Harry Reid and several other top ranking Democrats attended the YearlyKOS convention. Seems to me the guy has a lot of pull within the ranks.
As for MoveOn, marginalize them as you may, but the $300+ million bucks they've poured in to DNC coffers tells me they are far from a small minority.
Yeah I remember seeing that on their web site. I emailed the DNC to communicate my disdain. They actually photochopped the badge off of the Canadian Soldier's beret, too.
I think that a large chunk of the U.S. population hasn't been initiated with their own nation's military. I also think the fact that the war doesn't affect them appreciably, for a variety of reasons, is a reasoning for that. No rationing, no huge percentage of the able-bodied civilian population being inducted, etc.
Kee-rist... from the mock outrage on the rightwing, you'd think the pic was photchopped to show the troops eating babies.
And this, from Blackangst1, would be hysterical if he wasn't serious-
"Perhaps lying, deceit, and misrepresentation of our military isnt an issue with you."
Maybe you'd care to explain how a pic of misidentified allied troops standing in the chow line is "lying, deceit, and misrepresentation" in some sort of significant way... whether they're wearing pants or shorts... or maybe you're contending that our troops don't eat?
The lameness of the whole contention is truly pathetic... but, please, do carry on- I can smell the fear & desperation from here, even over the internet...
Care to address the *Content* of the ad?
Probably not...
Whatever else can be said about it, it's obviously not as lame as the Colin Powell tiretracks slideshow for the UN... Didn't see any outrage from the true believers about that....
And this, from Blackangst1, would be hysterical if he wasn't serious-
"Perhaps lying, deceit, and misrepresentation of our military isnt an issue with you."
Maybe you'd care to explain how a pic of misidentified allied troops standing in the chow line is "lying, deceit, and misrepresentation" in some sort of significant way... whether they're wearing pants or shorts... or maybe you're contending that our troops don't eat?
The lameness of the whole contention is truly pathetic... but, please, do carry on- I can smell the fear & desperation from here, even over the internet...
Care to address the *Content* of the ad?
Probably not...
Whatever else can be said about it, it's obviously not as lame as the Colin Powell tiretracks slideshow for the UN... Didn't see any outrage from the true believers about that....
theeedude
Lifer
Yeah, they went to speak at his convention, big deal? Doesn't mean he has pull when it comes to policy. He and his blog readers are just another group supporting Democrats, nothing wrong with that, that's their right, but overblowing their influence is just lame.
$300+ million bucks in how many years from moveon? Considering how much a campaign costs, that will put it in perspective. Plus if it wasn't for moveon, most people supporting them would still give money to the Democrat candidates through some other fundraising organisation or directly to DNC. So let's not overblow that one too, sure they are a middleman that helps raise money, and they have some influence, but it's not as significant as some people like to make it look for their own political scare tactics. Republicans can't run on issues, because they are bankrupt in that department, they need a bogeyman to run against.
blackangst1
Lifer
Well, I for one, am not suprised at the - ahem - ad, nor the reaction to it.
To me, it's a pretty good representation of not only the Democrats, but those who claim to be them. Naive and stupid.
/cue "But Bush! But Bush! But Bush!"
To me, it's a pretty good representation of not only the Democrats, but those who claim to be them. Naive and stupid.
/cue "But Bush! But Bush! But Bush!"
Yeah, because THIS thread is just overflowing with intelligence and clear thinking from you :roll:
This is the kind of dumb non-issue that only appeals to folks who can't actually make a real argument. Like those pictures of John Kerry awkwardly throwing a football, it might make a good punchline, but only a moron would try to use it as a stand-in for a real argument.
So what's your point? Hundreds of millions of dollars go to both parties from many different special interest groups. You point to MoveOn.org's contributions and leave unsaid why we should care about them in particular. But it doesn't REALLY go unsaid, does it? Innuendo only works so far...tell me why I should care about MoveOn.org.
Give me a break, this is classic political debate by innuendo. The "link" between Democrats and MoveOn.org is ALWAYS drawn with the *wink**wink *nudge**nudge* behind it, insinuating that it's a bad thing and we're supposed to draw negative conclusions about the Democrats. Your protestations of purity of motive aside, I hardly see you taking the effort for anyone BUT MoveOn.org. Were you just after transparent campaign financing, your obsession with MoveOn.org would seem strange.
Pabster and the rest of the mock offended are deliberately missing the point. Imagine the condemned on the gallows, remarking about how the hangman didn't shine his shoes... or the guy going under the bus noticing the scrape on the bumper... same sort of distraction and denial...
UberNeuman
Lifer
The mock outrage they feel is my sig...
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