Move to what other countries?

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Zebo
You're full of it can-o-worms.. Nothing about ethnic background here.
http://www.ch.ch/urn:ch:en:ch:ch.01.15.02.02:01

LOL

There is the law and then there is the application of laws.

I had a very good article about this, but unfortunately it's no longer up. However, doing a search on Google resulted in a link talking about it briefly.

link

The committee decision brings to mind a similar stance by the municipality of Emmen, central Switzerland. It also rejected citizenship applications by immigrants from the Balkans as a punishment for an attack by a Serb national against a municipality employee and for another assault against a Swiss teacher.

What can we expect from the Saudi Arabia of Europe?

 

[chcarnage]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: chcarnage

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: chcarnage

Nobody gets rejected because of his ethnic group affiliation.

Tell that to the immigrants and refugees from the Balkans. They were categorically denied by a committee based upon their ethnicity.

It's not really that big of a stretch to think of that as true - this is the country that believes that "the swiss are becoming negroes" and believe brown people feast upon the flesh and blood of innocent white children.

In my city live Serbs, Croats, Cosovo-Albanians and Bosniac-Hercegovians... I went to school with them. You can get some basic understanding of the Geneva Convention and Swiss refuge politics here (or detailed statistics, if you care. Some graphs (PDF) online, too. The long bars in 1998/99 on page 2 are refugees from Kosovo.)

Wow, you went to school with them. That's nice, but doens't add anything to the conversation. We're talking about citizenship here. Refugees and immigrants are categorically denied by citizenship committees because of their ethnicity. Are you denying that this has not happened?

Of course it does, because you said there is a comitee strictly denying asylum based on ethnic criteria. Which Balcanian ethnicity is discriminated in your opinion, anyway?!

You mix asylum of war and distribution of citizenship while in reality this two are resident authorizations as different as it is possible.

Switzerland gives asylum to war refugees immediately and as long as it considers the situation in the refugee's home country dangerous. For some time, Switzerland, where 7 mil. people live, was shelter for 50'000 Kosovo Albanians.

Economical refugees on the other hand mostly don't get accepted, this is normal in all developed countries. Take Mexican immigrants in the US for instance.

To become citizen of Switzerland, once more other criteria apply.

"The Swiss becoming negroes" was a one-time event: A campaign of a cantonal section of the sometimes polemic Swiss People's Party in 2003. "To be the negroe" is a seldom used figure of speech meaning to be taken in by someone. And damn, they did get a bad press and public antipathy (guess why you heard from this in the U.S?) for this campaign. But there never was a political poster of someone eating a child or something. Like this 66% European racism figure... Once again you spread misinformation (to say it in a kind way) about a European country :thumbsdown::|

Oh, it was a one-time even so it's ok? The Swiss People's Party is the most popular political party in Switzerland!

The 66% figure is a fact. Unless you consider a survey commissioned by a governmental agency surveying over 16,000 people overseen by 2 universities is misinformation. No, you are spreading misinformation by denying it. :thumbsdown: Realizing that there is a problem is the first step to solving it.

I didn't hear about this from US media. US media rarely mentions the atrocities happening in Europe.

Swizterland is essentially the Saudi Arabia of Europe when you consider women's rights and minority issues.

No, this campaign was not ok in my personal opinion.

It is correct that the Swiss People Party is the most popular, but then again you have a very shallow idea of the Swiss political system: The SPP holds 2 of the 7 ministeries. It holds 28% and 17% of the seats in the chambers of the parliament. It's something like the Swiss version of Checks and Balances.

Considering your knowledge of Europe, i regard the 66% number a lie until you give me the source of the study.

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Zebo
You're full of it can-o-worms.. Nothing about ethnic background here.
http://www.ch.ch/urn:ch:en:ch:ch.01.15.02.02:01

LOL

There is the law and then there is the application of laws.

I had a very good article about this, but unfortunately it's no longer up. However, doing a search on Google resulted in a link talking about it briefly.

link

The committee decision brings to mind a similar stance by the municipality of Emmen, central Switzerland. It also rejected citizenship applications by immigrants from the Balkans as a punishment for an attack by a Serb national against a municipality employee and for another assault against a Swiss teacher.

What can we expect from the Saudi Arabia of Europe?

Now that's illogical. You don't accept my personal experience but provide an individual case by yourself... And Emmen was the municipality that has let its citizens vote on citizenship distribution already mentioned by me, but as I said this is no longer the case because a Swiss court ruled this procedure to be illegal.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: chcarnage

Of course it does, because you said there is a comitee strictly denying asylum based on ethnic criteria. Which Balcanian ethnicity is discriminated in your opinion, anyway?!

Yes, please see the link that I provided earlier.

You mix asylum of war and distribution of citizenship while in reality this two are resident authorizations as different as it is possible.

Switzerland gives asylum to war refugees immediately and as long as it considers the situation in the refugee's home country dangerous. For some time, Switzerland, where 7 mil. people live, was shelter for 50'000 Kosovo Albanians.

Economical refugees on the other hand mostly don't get accepted, this is normal in all developed countries. Take Mexican immigrants in the US for instance.

To become citizen of Switzerland, once more other criteria apply.

I'm not talking about economic refugees - like you said, those are basically illegal immigrants.

No, this campaign was not ok in my personal opinion.

It is correct that the Swiss People Party is the most popular, but then again you have a very shallow idea of the Swiss political system: The SPP holds 2 of the 7 ministeries. It holds 28% and 17% of the seats in the chambers of the parliament. It's something like the Swiss version of Checks and Balances.

Considering your knowledge of Europe, i regard the 66% number a lie until you give me the source of the study.

The source of the survey is Employment, Industrial Relations and Social Affairs Directorate (DGV) of the European Commission. It involved 16,154 people.The data were analysed under the responsibility of Ecole des Hautes Etudes en Sciences Sociales, Paris and University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan.

It is a very well known survey, of course not known by Europeans as the media wouldn't report on such a thing.

Now that's illogical. You don't accept my personal experience but provide an individual case by yourself... And Emmen was the municipality that has let its citizens vote on citizenship distribution already mentioned by me, but as I said this is no longer the case because a Swiss court ruled this procedure to be illegal.

Your personal experience had no relavence to what we were discussing. We weren't discussing whether there are minorities in Switzerland. I still think that calling Switzerland the Saudi Arabia of Europe is a fitting term.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Zebo
You're full of it can-o-worms.. Nothing about ethnic background here.
http://www.ch.ch/urn:ch:en:ch:ch.01.15.02.02:01

LOL

There is the law and then there is the application of laws.

I had a very good article about this, but unfortunately it's no longer up. However, doing a search on Google resulted in a link talking about it briefly.

link

The committee decision brings to mind a similar stance by the municipality of Emmen, central Switzerland. It also rejected citizenship applications by immigrants from the Balkans as a punishment for an attack by a Serb national against a municipality employee and for another assault against a Swiss teacher.

What can we expect from the Saudi Arabia of Europe?

islamonline.org nuff said

No sir Austraila had it on the books you had to be white to immigrate as recently as 1978 which I why i'd never even think about moving there. Swiss never. How many south american leaders moved there over there years? All of them? All swiss care about is the green color for you to come in.

?How come the committee claims that I?m not integrated into the society while I was born here, speak the language, regularly attend school and have never been in trouble with my Swiss colleagues,?


The family of Mohamadi Darwish, another one denied citizenship, has also been living in the European country for 15 years and never committed legal violations.

Awww poor babies my unlce has lived in switzerland for 40 year, I have three cousins in thier 30's, born there.. all not citizens yet and white. These muslims are playing the race card simple as that and so are you.

 

[DennyD]

Yep... Canada has FREE HEALTH CARE! That's always a good selling point. That and no war-mongering oil-hoarding civillian-killing George Dubya Bush. Of course, you'd have to put up with the French...

Best of all, you would have quick access to the best coffee in the world - TIM HORTON'S!

And the weather IS NOT as bad as what you're led to believe!

 

[arsbanned]

What about taking the Swizterland focus discussion (heh) to a spearate thread?
DennyD, where in Canada are you? British Columbia, specifically Vancouver Island, is supposed to be temperate in climate. Probably just a lot of rain?
Yeah, Canada would seem like a good choice. I'm in Maine anyway so the weather can't be worse.

 

[Grabo]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Proletariat
Scandanavia is the lamest place to live in Europe... Its racist as hell, and theres like 6 months of day, 6 months of night - drives you crazy. Everyone has reaaaly small eyes too. I guess its because its so bitterly cold.

Never met racist Scandinavians, though I'm sure there are some, like everywhere. They are very open-minded. They have some of the earliest women's movements. The weather is cold, but lots of wilderness. And the eye thing is borderline racist on your part.

There was an article on the Post about this. I've seen it first hand, but the article was downright disturbing.

This one Asian dude said as soon as he walked in the room everyone would leave. They had a bunch of interviews with similiar stories. In Sweden they have specific schools for foreigners.

As for the racist thing.. I'm white.. and everyone is always saying they have so many hot women there. I saw maybe 3 or 4 the whole time I was there. There are hot women buts its pretty much the same ratio as anywhere else.

Lol, I've absolutely never heard about the eye thing before. I wouldn't think there's much of a difference between your european American, though.

There isn't 6 months of dark and 6 months of light either, unless you live really really far up north, which most people in Sweden don't.

About special schools for immigrants...heh. There are schools, funded and run by immigrant muslims, for children of immigrant muslims who do not want these children 'tainted' by western society, in many cases.
There are no specific public schools, however, where only immigrants/ natives are allowed to go.

Concerning the asian, that would most likely not be Sweden, but I can't say with any greater certainty how people in the other scandinavian countries (much less populated by relatively recent immigrants) view asians.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Canada would be the least amount of Culture Shock, but the Weather might be worse than Culture Shock elsewhere! There's always Brtain, Europe, or Australia. Then of course 100+ other countries of various Economic/Political standards.

I think Canada said they didn't want Americans. You do have to have the permission of the gaining country.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: sandorski
Canada would be the least amount of Culture Shock, but the Weather might be worse than Culture Shock elsewhere! There's always Brtain, Europe, or Australia. Then of course 100+ other countries of various Economic/Political standards.

I think Canada said they didn't want Americans. You do have to have the permission of the gaining country.

nope

 

[imported_Pedro69]

Originally posted by: arsbanned
What part of Mexico would you relocate to? I'm intrigued with the idea since the weather is so nice.

I moved 9 years ago to Puerto Vallarta in Mexico. Good oppertunities, great life.

 

[keeleysam]

Canada

 

[BurnItDwn]

If I were to emmigrcate, my top choices would be Norway, Sweden, or Iceland. I'd also consider Canada or Mexico.
It really all depends on your reason why.

If you already have a decent amount of wealth established, Moving to mexico, and buying a huge estate for a couple hundred grand, and having an early retirement might be a nice option.

If you just want a change of climate, And plan on continuing to work, Scandanavia would be nice.

If you want to stay close to the USA, and plan on continuing to work, and don't want to have to learn any new languages, then Canada is the place to go.