Move to what other countries?

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Proletariat
Scandanavia is the lamest place to live in Europe... Its racist as hell, and theres like 6 months of day, 6 months of night - drives you crazy. Everyone has reaaaly small eyes too. I guess its because its so bitterly cold.

Never met racist Scandinavians, though I'm sure there are some, like everywhere. They are very open-minded. They have some of the earliest women's movements. The weather is cold, but lots of wilderness. And the eye thing is borderline racist on your part.

There was an article on the Post about this. I've seen it first hand, but the article was downright disturbing.

This one Asian dude said as soon as he walked in the room everyone would leave. They had a bunch of interviews with similiar stories. In Sweden they have specific schools for foreigners.

As for the racist thing.. I'm white.. and everyone is always saying they have so many hot women there. I saw maybe 3 or 4 the whole time I was there. There are hot women buts its pretty much the same ratio as anywhere else.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Do you have a link to that Asian racism article? Sounds interesting.

 

[ValuedCustomer]

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Maybe Texas.

don't emigrate here, it's really just dust, tumbleweeds, and rednecks. seriously.

hahhahaahaha!! uh, yea, in Amarillo! - first question ya gotta ask somebody who lives in Amarillo is: WHY?!?
Podna, you need to leave the house more often.. I've lived in Austin for 22 years and the only way I know what a tumble-weed looks like is from Bonanza re-runs. "dust"? nope.. plenty of rolling hills, trees, grass, lakes, streams, rivers.. and as far as the "rednecks" go, we have cowboys here. and yea, there's a big difference. - e.g. if you're stuck on the side of the road w/ a flat-tire, a redneck will drive on by and prolly toss a beer can at you. A cowboy will stop and help you change it.. he may even offer you a cold-one in the mean time.

I've only been through Amarillo 2x but that was enough to confirm that the place is a shat-hole.. leave as soon as you can.. and don't look back. but don't come to Austin.. we like it just the way it is!

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Switzerland is not socialist so no I'm not talking about them. And they don't let many in which has been very contentious with the EU and stuff. Illegals they arrest they ship back the same day they find them. They hardy ever grant citzenship which means any benefits you may want you're not getting. My uncle has lived there 40 years. is an engineer for a respected swiss mining equipment manufacturer and his kids were born there.. still not Swiss.

I'm talking about NZ, Ireland and such. Plus coming from USA you sure as hell won't qualify for "refugee" LOL.

Oh, I'm not saying that an American could go as a refugee, just a general statement regarding others. It's illegal for a country to reject a genuine refugee.

The Swiss are very far-right when it comes to citizenship. They even issue blanket rejections for citizenship for entire ethnic groups. Looking at Switzerland's voting rights record with women, I don't think that we can expect too much immediate action from them.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Socialism has swept the planet. What can you do

No it has'nt..I told you Mexico, Bolivia, Chile any sub-sarahan African country except south africa and get this, former communist Russia. Russia has only 13% max income tax rate!! Shyt some US states have higher taxes than that let alone federal... None of these countries have universal health care, minimum wage, extensive public schools, welfare, and other redistributionist stuff the right hates. Those countries are a capitalists dream come true. I just can't believe no ones mentioned moving to them yet..

Those countries' governments just have a lot less to loot because they are not culturally inclined towards economic success (i.e. they suffer from widespread corruption etc.)

However, you forgot to mention Dubai in the UAE. I *might* consider moving there, if I could adjust to the culture.

 

[RabidMongoose]

A move would definitely be different for each person depending on the circumstances. For someone such as myself, I think I could only permanentely move to Canada, UK, or Australia.

 

[Isla]

My sister is seriously considering and researching Spain.

We understand that there would be culture shock and it wouldn't be perfect.... no place is. But our family immigrated from there 100 years ago and in many ways, our hearts long for our ancestral home.

If she takes the plunge, I might eventually follow.

 

[piasabird]

Italy would be nice. Spaghetti, Pizza, and all the wine you can drink. Italy is a pretty nice country. Mild Winters nice summers, beaches, mountains, alps, etc.

 

[NeenerNeener]

I always wanted to live in Japan. Seems like a neat place. Expensive though.

 

[NeenerNeener]

How about the island republic of california in 40 years?

 

[chcarnage]

I'm surprised Switzerland became quite a topic here... Here are some answers and minor corrections:

Zebo Only army members have a full-auto gun at home (it's a rifle, not a machine gun). Civil gun possession is relatively common, but a special permission is needed to bear them on a daily base. Many villages have a shooting stand (a common distance is 300 meters) and there are shooting festivals, however they are about marksmanship contests, not about leading a target with full-auto guns. Shooting is less widespread in urban areas.

After 12 years living in Switzerland one can apply for citizenship, however the canton and the commune can reject the request. That's federalism, too... In practice, the percentage of allowed applications varies across the country.

laFiera until the opening times were liberalized, stores had to close at 6.30 p.m (mo-fr) and at 4.00 p.m (on saturdays). 2.00 p.m sounds more like a rather isolated place...

CanOWorms There is one Bunker for asylum seekers who were rejected or who conceal their identity because they don't want to return. (Rejection means Switzerland denied them refugee status). The Bunker is used because there is an article about helping in immediate emergency situations in the Constitution. However the selection of the Bunker was controversial. (Some photos of the Bunker are here

Nobody gets rejected because of his ethnic group affiliation.

Bozo Galora It's possible to spend $30 for a breakfast, maybe in a noble hotel. However in restaurants $7-$15 seem more realistic to me (depending on what you consider a breakfast )

I don't know all details of the prerequisites to become Swiss citizen, but being resident in Switzerland for 12 years at least half of the time seems to be a main requirement. It is however not true that the people of your commune vote if you become a citizen. One commune did this, but in the end the federal court ruled that this procedure was unconstitutional.
Yes, people still cary their rifles to the shooting range (Members of the army are obliged to pass a shooting test once a year outside of their normal duty and like I already mentioned, there are many gun club members)

The right to vote for women was introduced in 1971, a bit late for our old democracy...

 

[martinez]

Originally posted by: ExpertNovice

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Originally posted by: laFiera

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Jmman
Well, people the world over voted for Australia, and it would probably get my vote as well......fun place....

Ya, I think the Culture shock there wouldn't be so bad either. Especially when it comes to Political Ideals. Except that in Australia Voting is Mandatory, but that's not much of a major issue.

heh, just make sure you don't say you're american.....it seems that americans are not so welome there right now....

Students quit over anti-American slurs
AINSLEY PAVEY
26jun05

AMERICAN students are quitting Queensland universities in the face of hate attacks by Australians angry at US President George W. Bush and the war in Iraq.

One university has launched an investigation into claims an American student returned to the US after suffering six months of abuse at a residential college in Brisbane.

American students have told The Sunday Mail the verbal attacks are unbearable and threatening to escalate into physical violence.

Griffith University student Ian Wanner, 19, from Oregon, said abusive Australian students had repeatedly called him a "sepo" ? short for septic tank. "It is so disrespectful. It's not exactly the most welcoming atmosphere here," he said.

full story

Immigrants to the U.S. face no such problems I'm sure. Not.
In any case, I would bet Americans are not popular anywhere in the World, since Bush turned the post 9/11 outpouring of sympathy to sh!t with his Iraq escapade.

ROFL!!!!

See what I mean about believing the "mainstream" media?

The American(s) who reportedly were abused probably instigated part of the problem. Being human, it couldn't be their fault. Plus, the media LOVES to blow things out of proportion.

In America it is considered poor form to defend our Nation so if someone bashes it we collectivly nod our head and whip ourselves. In other countries they stand up for their Nation.

Here Americans "must" not only accept a foreigners opinon, even if they are in the country illegal meaning they are felons, but we must embrace them and give them more benefits that law abiding citizens. In other nations if we go there and avoid adapting their lifestyle and tell them how awful their country is compared to any other country they are going to be rude back.

Quit reading the mainstream media. If those who do have not figured it out yet, fake but true, means lying through the teeth to advance an agenda.

Australians in general (of which I am one) love American people. Sure, a majority of us think GWB is off his nut, but most wouldn't blame an individual American for that. One thing I have noticed in my various travels; Americans often come across as loud and obnoxious when overseas. This was my impression of Americans until I lived in the U.S for four years.I realised then that they were in fact really nice people( imagine my shock).

I can imagine a student having problems. Someone criticises U.S policy, he/she defends it out of loyalty.......argument ensues etc.

On topic.

I think New Zealand would be a good choice for any young American with any skill to offer. It wouldn't be hard to find a job there as just about every New Zealander who can seems to have moved to the Gold Coast in Aussie. Australia is becoming less and less Socialist in it's economics. The conservative(Liberal) Party have been in office now for 5 terms. However the states are all currently held by the Labour(liberal/socialist) party. This provides some nice balance I believe, and manages to keep things fairly well moderated on both sides of politics.

We have universal basic Healthcare, but there is incentives in place for having private health insurance in order to take the pressure off the public system. IMO, this is an ideal situation as it means anyone can get the most basic care, but if you don't have private insurance you have to be prepared to wait.

Australia is not nearly as violent a place as the U.S. About the only freedom we don't have that you guys have is the right to bear arms(we can, just stricter rules in place), which I'm thankful for.

On the subject of refugee status, I'm sure if you turned up in New Zealand and claimed political asylum, you would be granted a permanent Visa. No government in the world has give the Bush Admin. a bigger flipping of the bird than they have.

 

[rickn]

anyplace that doesn't border a muslim country or have oil, but has lots of hot bodies and white sandy beaches

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: rickn
anyplace that doesn't border a muslim country or have oil, but has lots of hot bodies and white sandy beaches

And an endless supply of cold beer.

 

[alm4rr]

Any comments on South American countries?

 

[imported_Tango]

Originally posted by: alm4rr
Any comments on South American countries?

Brazil is a dream... but I don't speak portuguese, while I do speak spanish... so I would rather relocate to Mexico or other spanish-speaking central american countries.

 

[arsbanned]

What part of Mexico would you relocate to? I'm intrigued with the idea since the weather is so nice.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: chcarnage

Nobody gets rejected because of his ethnic group affiliation.

Tell that to the immigrants and refugees from the Balkans. They were categorically denied by a committee based upon their ethnicity.

It's not really that big of a stretch to think of that as true - this is the country that believes that "the swiss are becoming negroes" and believe brown people feast upon the flesh and blood of innocent white children.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: chcarnage

Nobody gets rejected because of his ethnic group affiliation.

Tell that to the immigrants and refugees from the Balkans. They were categorically denied by a committee based upon their ethnicity.

It's not really that big of a stretch to think of that as true - this is the country that believes that "the swiss are becoming negroes" and believe brown people feast upon the flesh and blood of innocent white children.

Question for you CanOWorms: Hypothetically, do you believe it is possible to provide evidence that would show Europeans are not that racist? Or is that impossible?

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: chcarnage

Nobody gets rejected because of his ethnic group affiliation.

Tell that to the immigrants and refugees from the Balkans. They were categorically denied by a committee based upon their ethnicity.

It's not really that big of a stretch to think of that as true - this is the country that believes that "the swiss are becoming negroes" and believe brown people feast upon the flesh and blood of innocent white children.

Question for you CanOWorms: Hypothetically, do you believe it is possible to provide evidence that would show Europeans are not that racist? Or is that impossible?

Of course, not all Europeans are racist. I usually focus on governmental actions though. That's why you don't see me talking about some random acts of hatred much.

 

[ToeJam13]

Originally posted by: laFiera
my friend just moved to switzerland; married a swiss and was fortunate enough to find a job there; she says is a very closed society, very hard to find jobs, but if u can make it, she says is a great place to live and the skiing is awesome. Of course, coudln't believe they closed the grocery store on saturday by 2pm, but on my recent visit, the place is impeccable.....a bit more civilized than usa it seemed if i could only speak german...

Be careful, they speak Swiss German, which isn't quite the same as High German used over in Deutchland.

You can get along quite well speaking High German in Switzerland, but if you stay long enough, you'll develop a funny accent. Kind of like living in Mississippi for too long.

 

[chcarnage]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: chcarnage

Nobody gets rejected because of his ethnic group affiliation.

Tell that to the immigrants and refugees from the Balkans. They were categorically denied by a committee based upon their ethnicity.

It's not really that big of a stretch to think of that as true - this is the country that believes that "the swiss are becoming negroes" and believe brown people feast upon the flesh and blood of innocent white children.

In my city live Serbs, Croats, Cosovo-Albanians and Bosniac-Hercegovians... I went to school with them. You can get some basic understanding of the Geneva Convention and Swiss refuge politics here (or detailed statistics, if you care. Some graphs (PDF) online, too. The long bars in 1998/99 on page 2 are refugees from Kosovo.)

"The Swiss becoming negroes" was a one-time event: A campaign of a cantonal section of the sometimes polemic Swiss People's Party in 2003. "To be the negroe" is a seldom used figure of speech meaning to be taken in by someone. And damn, they did get a bad press and public antipathy (guess why you heard from this in the U.S?) for this campaign. But there never was a political poster of someone eating a child or something. Like this 66% European racism figure... Once again you spread misinformation (to say it in a kind way) about a European country :thumbsdown::|

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: chcarnage

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: chcarnage

Nobody gets rejected because of his ethnic group affiliation.

Tell that to the immigrants and refugees from the Balkans. They were categorically denied by a committee based upon their ethnicity.

It's not really that big of a stretch to think of that as true - this is the country that believes that "the swiss are becoming negroes" and believe brown people feast upon the flesh and blood of innocent white children.

In my city live Serbs, Croats, Cosovo-Albanians and Bosniac-Hercegovians... I went to school with them. You can get some basic understanding of the Geneva Convention and Swiss refuge politics here (or detailed statistics, if you care. Some graphs (PDF) online, too. The long bars in 1998/99 on page 2 are refugees from Kosovo.)

Wow, you went to school with them. That's nice, but doens't add anything to the conversation. We're talking about citizenship here. Refugees and immigrants are categorically denied by citizenship committees because of their ethnicity. Are you denying that this has not happened?

"The Swiss becoming negroes" was a one-time event: A campaign of a cantonal section of the sometimes polemic Swiss People's Party in 2003. "To be the negroe" is a seldom used figure of speech meaning to be taken in by someone. And damn, they did get a bad press and public antipathy (guess why you heard from this in the U.S?) for this campaign. But there never was a political poster of someone eating a child or something. Like this 66% European racism figure... Once again you spread misinformation (to say it in a kind way) about a European country :thumbsdown::|

Oh, it was a one-time even so it's ok? The Swiss People's Party is the most popular political party in Switzerland!

The 66% figure is a fact. Unless you consider a survey commissioned by a governmental agency surveying over 16,000 people overseen by 2 universities is misinformation. No, you are spreading misinformation by denying it. :thumbsdown: Realizing that there is a problem is the first step to solving it.

I didn't hear about this from US media. US media rarely mentions the atrocities happening in Europe.

Swizterland is essentially the Saudi Arabia of Europe when you consider women's rights and minority issues.

 

[Zebo]

ethnicity or unproductive? You got a link? I would'nt allow any sloth in my country if I had a choice Like swiss do, would you? That's what so great about thier system, people get to know you before making a choice, not some blanket free for all like we got decided by some beurocrat in DC.

Swiss immigration seems perfectly reasonable:

Business investment:
Have an annual income of more than Sfr.100'000.-
You must invest in a company in the canton where you want to live
Your investment has to finance the growth of the company.
You can either invest as a loan or as an equity investment, or a mix of both.
Your investment should last as long as you remain in Switzerland.
The company cannot be listed on a stock exchange.
You cannot invest in a bank account, an apartment or a bogus company, but in a real company with employees.



Retirement:
Be 55 or older
Be retired (no day-to-day responsibilities)
Have an annual income of more than Sfr.100'000.-

I don't see anything racist there.

 

[Zebo]

You're full of it can-o-worms.. Nothing about ethnic background here.
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