Motorcycles are unsafe (Relatively)

[chrisms]

Motorcycles are fine as long as a dumbass isn't riding one. Some dude almost put a huge dent in the back of my car and killed himself on the highway the other day. I was going 60 mph in a one lane onramp and another onramp merged with it to create two lanes. I was on the left and my exit coming up was on the right so I put my blinker on, and as I'm turning the douchebag passes me on the right at around 90mph. If I would have done a headcheck a half second earlier my car would've been fscked.

 

[Zenmervolt]

23, been riding in some for or another since I was 14. Haven't had so much as a close call yet. Friend of the family has been riding for 40 years and has never had an accident. I ride like I have a target painted on my back and I have yet to have any stupid move by a car surprise me.

As far as your father, well, I've known a lot of motocross people too, both professional and amateur, I would't lend them my 12-speed bicycle for fear they'd wreck it. Motocross riders are the _last_ people I think of when I think of safe riders.

ZV

 

[Ornery]

Nobody knows when they are going to die. It's as simple as that.

Anyway you look at it people die, its a matter of time and when its time to go theres nothing you can do.

Do you wear a seatbelt in your car? Why? Do you wear a helmet on your bike? Why? Do you wear safety goggles working in a shop? Why? Do you have a reserve chute when skydiving? Why?

I have three acquaintances, who would still be alive, if they'd chosen a "cage" over a bike. Yeah, that's living alright. :roll:

 

[alkemyst]

depends on where you live and ride.

I know a lot of riders and two that lost their foot getting sideswiped at a red light.

I know a few that got hit...none their fault.

Lots of flips and lay downs that have resulted in anything from busted fairings to embedded gravel/glass and nerve damage.

My mom worked CCU/ICU and one rider was catapulted and partially beheaded on a power line.

My brother and his financee finally sold their street bikes when the guy that taught them motorcycle safety was broadsided by an SUV travelling over 100mph (She was DUI also) ran a redlight...accident happened on a Sunday afternoon.

They said he was killed instantly.

Personally around West Palm Beach, no way...all my accidents I have been hit, usually while stopped. Had I been on a bike, dead or pretty fuxored.

Still riding is someone one does if they are willing to take the risks, skydiving and other sports have there dangers as well. If one has no problem with the risks, no one else should be the judge.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Remind me to hide under my bed. Like Amused I am a long time rider. There are always ways to minimize the risk. Eliminate? No, but low enough that I find it worth it.

Everyone winds up dead or seriously injured? I would be interested seeing solid statistics backing up your remarkable claim.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Nobody knows when they are going to die. It's as simple as that.

Anyway you look at it people die, its a matter of time and when its time to go theres nothing you can do.

Do you wear a seatbelt in your car? Why? Do you wear a helmet on your bike? Why? Do you wear safety goggles working in a shop? Why? Do you have a reserve chute when skydiving? Why?

I have three acquaintances, who would still be alive, if they'd chosen a "cage" over a bike. Yeah, that's living alright. :roll:

It's called minimizing risk when you actually do decide to do something. Do I decide I want to jump out of a plane, but I'll do it without a parachute because it may be "my time?" Even if you do minimize risk, if your time is up, it's up.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: BigJ
Sorry to hear about your uncle, but people do plenty of things that are unsafe every single day.

I'd rather die young and have a hell of a time in the process, than die as an old man and wonder where all my time went.

if... nobody else cared much about you or you have little responsibility. If you have your own family or even very loving parents, you'd reconsider.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: BigJ
Sorry to hear about your uncle, but people do plenty of things that are unsafe every single day.

I'd rather die young and have a hell of a time in the process, than die as an old man and wonder where all my time went.

if... nobody else cared much about you or you have little responsibility. If you have your own family or even very loving parents, you'd reconsider.

Nice assumption, but I do have very loving parents. When I have a family, I know things will change.

 

[Ornery]

I don't believe in luck, fate or predestination. I believe people are responsible for their choices. Guess that's another reason I'm a Republican/Libertarian!

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Ornery
I don't believe in luck, fate or predestination. I believe people are responsible for their choices. Guess that's another reason I'm a Republican/Libertarian!

And I guess that means I can't be a Republican/Libertarian?

And when did I ever say that people aren't responsible for their choices?

 

[GRIFFIN1]

I'm going to buy a motorcycle as soon as women are banned from driving anything larger than a moped.

Edit.... add old people to tha banned list too.

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Ornery
Nobody knows when they are going to die. It's as simple as that.

Anyway you look at it people die, its a matter of time and when its time to go theres nothing you can do.

Do you wear a seatbelt in your car? Why? Do you wear a helmet on your bike? Why? Do you wear safety goggles working in a shop? Why? Do you have a reserve chute when skydiving? Why?

I have three acquaintances, who would still be alive, if they'd chosen a "cage" over a bike. Yeah, that's living alright. :roll:

It's called minimizing risk when you actually do decide to do something. Do I decide I want to jump out of a plane, but I'll do it without a parachute because it may be "my time?" Even if you do minimize risk, if your time is up, it's up.

Minimizing risk to me is not riding a motorcycle. Of course I will "live life", but I'd rather not GREATLY inflate my chances of dying because I want a fscking bike.

I'd take a beefy BMW M5 for speed over a motocycle any day.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Ornery
Nobody knows when they are going to die. It's as simple as that.

Anyway you look at it people die, its a matter of time and when its time to go theres nothing you can do.

Do you wear a seatbelt in your car? Why? Do you wear a helmet on your bike? Why? Do you wear safety goggles working in a shop? Why? Do you have a reserve chute when skydiving? Why?

I have three acquaintances, who would still be alive, if they'd chosen a "cage" over a bike. Yeah, that's living alright. :roll:

It's called minimizing risk when you actually do decide to do something. Do I decide I want to jump out of a plane, but I'll do it without a parachute because it may be "my time?" Even if you do minimize risk, if your time is up, it's up.

Minimizing risk to me is not riding a motorcycle. Of course I will live, but I'd rather not GREATLY inflate my chances of dying because I want a fscking bike.

I'd take a beefy BMW M5 for speed over a motocycle any day.

Good for you. But don't try to impede on my right to do whatever the hell I want within the limits of the law.

Also, another for you on chosing the BMW M5. Not everyone has $70k+ to spend on a car.

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Ornery
Nobody knows when they are going to die. It's as simple as that.

Anyway you look at it people die, its a matter of time and when its time to go theres nothing you can do.

Do you wear a seatbelt in your car? Why? Do you wear a helmet on your bike? Why? Do you wear safety goggles working in a shop? Why? Do you have a reserve chute when skydiving? Why?

I have three acquaintances, who would still be alive, if they'd chosen a "cage" over a bike. Yeah, that's living alright. :roll:

It's called minimizing risk when you actually do decide to do something. Do I decide I want to jump out of a plane, but I'll do it without a parachute because it may be "my time?" Even if you do minimize risk, if your time is up, it's up.

Minimizing risk to me is not riding a motorcycle. Of course I will live, but I'd rather not GREATLY inflate my chances of dying because I want a fscking bike.

I'd take a beefy BMW M5 for speed over a motocycle any day.

Good for you. But don't try to impede on my right to do whatever the hell I want within the limits of the law.

Also, another for you on chosing the BMW M5. Not everyone has $70k+ to spend on a car.

I was only trying to think of a sporty car with full frame. It's safe and fast :thumbsup:

And no, I can't afford one.

 

[icejunkie]

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: BigJ
Sorry to hear about your uncle, but people do plenty of things that are unsafe every single day.

I'd rather die young and have a hell of a time in the process, than die as an old man and wonder where all my time went.

I'd rather not die in my 20s trying to have a good time, thanks.

Why? We're all gonna die anyway... Is there a point to dying in your 70s as opposed to you 20s?

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: icejunkie

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: BigJ
Sorry to hear about your uncle, but people do plenty of things that are unsafe every single day.

I'd rather die young and have a hell of a time in the process, than die as an old man and wonder where all my time went.

I'd rather not die in my 20s trying to have a good time, thanks.

Why? We're all gonna die anyway... Is there a point to dying in your 70s as opposed to you 20s?

More poon

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: icejunkie

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: BigJ
Sorry to hear about your uncle, but people do plenty of things that are unsafe every single day.

I'd rather die young and have a hell of a time in the process, than die as an old man and wonder where all my time went.

I'd rather not die in my 20s trying to have a good time, thanks.

Why? We're all gonna die anyway... Is there a point to dying in your 70s as opposed to you 20s?

More poon

You want 60 year old poon? ::shudders::

 

[The Green Bean]

well where I live, people buy motorbikes not cuz they are cool, but because they are chepaer than cars

 

[SearchMaster]

Of course motorcycles are less safe than automobiles, because every mistake, yours or another driver's, is amplified by a great magnitude because there's nothing between you and the pavement/car/powerline/whatever. I have a motorcycle, and enjoy riding it around the neighborhood from time to time, but I frankly don't trust other people (or my own skill) enough to drive it into heavier traffic.

Hell of a lot of fun though.

 

[Triumph]

Lots of flips and lay downs that have resulted in anything from busted fairings to embedded gravel/glass and nerve damage.

wear your gear and you can greatly reduce/completely eliminate injury. that's why the statistics are so skewed, because people ride in shorts and a tshirt. 5% of riders I see around here have anything more than a helmet on. and yet people can wreck on the racetrack travelling 100 mph and get up to pick up their bike (well, the pieces at least)

My mom worked CCU/ICU and one rider was catapulted and partially beheaded on a power line.

i wonder how fast he was going? people driving wrecklessly in cars are killed by utility poles all the time.

My brother and his financee finally sold their street bikes when the guy that taught them motorcycle safety was broadsided by an SUV travelling over 100mph (She was DUI also) ran a redlight...accident happened on a Sunday afternoon.

They said he was killed instantly.

you think you'd survive being broadsided by a 5000 pound SUV going 100 mph in a car??? 😕

Yes, riding a motorcycle is more dangerous than driving a car. There is no doubt about that. But people's perceptions, and the statistics, are greatly influenced by the idiots who ride wrecklessly, with no protective gear to speak of. This includes all of the Hell's Angels wannabe Harley riders as well as the sport bike squids. There are all of these idiots who buy a 600 cc 120 hp missile for a first bike. People with no real training. No wonder the statistics say what they say. I'd love to see someone track the accidents and injuries of people who ride responsibly, wear protective gear, and have been properly trained. You'd see a huge change in the numbers.

My philosophy is this: Do everything you can within your power to reduce your risk (wear your gear, ride defensively, know your limits, and ride within them). And if you still get killed, then f&ck it, it was your time to go anyway. :beer:

 

[RaiderJ]

That's why I always wear my seatbelt!

Seriously, just because you know of people that have been injured on bikes, so what? Also, if your father was sponsored, he probably rode bikes for more than just a Sunday drive? If you race bikes, then no sh!t you might get injured doing it. It's not like your following reasonable riding guidlines.

Motorcycles != death

 

[AntiEverything]

Motorcycles are ridiculously unsafe...

Huh. How about that.

Oh well, time to go for a ride.

 

[faZZter]

Originally posted by: Safeway
Yet everyone wants them.

No matter how safe you are, something bad will end up happening. My father was expert class motocross, and we had about 15 motorcycles. He was one of the most skilled riders in the circuit, and on the street. He still had pretty bad accidents with broken bones, road rash, foot peg through the leg... They are not safe! When will people learn? Even if you are 100% cautious, cars are not. All they have to say is "I never saw him. He pulled in front of me." and they are off the hook. And you are dead.

My uncle was paralyzed from the waist down and died from complications in a motorcycle accident.

Car accidents happen everyday too so don't drive in a car either!!!!!

:-/

 

[mobobuff]

I never miss a motorcycle. I can usually hear them before I see them, and around here they usually drive in packs of 2 or more, making them almost impossible to miss. 99% of the time I yield to motorcycles anyway.

People who drive motorcycles do so for a reason, and a paranoid statistic probably won't persuade them to drive minivans.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Triumph

My philosophy is this: Do everything you can within your power to reduce your risk (wear your gear, ride defensively, know your limits, and ride within them). And if you still get killed, then f&ck it, it was your time to go anyway. :beer:

:thumbsup: