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Motorcycles are unsafe (Relatively)

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You may think you almost hit them.. truth is they prolly knew exactly how far away you were...
I need less than 2 feet clearance to get by you even at over 100mph...

on the track sportbikes are dealing with inches next to each other...
while you cars are used to having 5-10 foot buffer zones around you. im more than comfortable with less that 2 inches clearance on both sides of my mirrors. I grew up in california Lane splitting where its legal and we pass inches away from cars at 50+ mph.
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Well god help you and your family if I have to adjust slightly IN MY LANE for a pot hole, and I didnt see you zoom up on me at 100+ MPH....

Oh look a pot hole... I need to move 6 inches to my left to make it go between my tires.... BLAAAAAAAAAM....

You guys think you're invincible... because the people who know they're not, can't talk anymore.

-Max
 
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: CVSiN

You may think you almost hit them.. truth is they prolly knew exactly how far away you were...
I need less than 2 feet clearance to get by you even at over 100mph...

on the track sportbikes are dealing with inches next to each other...
while you cars are used to having 5-10 foot buffer zones around you. im more than comfortable with less that 2 inches clearance on both sides of my mirrors. I grew up in california Lane splitting where its legal and we pass inches away from cars at 50+ mph.
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what are they all Jedi?

passing inches from cars is being an ASSH0l3...I can do the same thing while you are on your bike as well with my car, doesn't make it right. I have also passed between two cars just using the middle lane in a car (as a kid) still doesn't make it right.
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how is that being an asshole.. see thats how the bike/car attitudes differ to us thats just as safe as having open road..

FYI the Texas state legistlature just passed the bill to make lane splitting for us legal in Texas in september.
so if its so unsafe why is Texas and California letting us do it...
and if you interfere with a bike lanesplitting guess what... YOU in the CAR get the ticket..
not the bike..

Bikes need less space to make a safe pass...
cars have different laws than bikes do...
why do you think there are 3 different tests for licenses... car and bike and large truck.
the sooner cars relaize this and not to freak out or get mad as they talk on thier cell phones doing thier hair and makeup the better...

It is reckless driving for a car to pass in between lanes...
for a bike its called lane splitting... and is a different ticket as its not considered reckless on a bike..

BTW the LAW makes it ok.. its not an unsafe pass on a bike unless it was done at excessive speeds or without a blinker...
we only need inches to be safe.. and the law at least in my state is on my side.






 
Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
motocross = teh fun

bike on public road = teh insane
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funny as I got older my view on this got much different... I broke way more bones doing supercross/motorcross than i ever have on street bikes...

trees rocks 30 foot high camel jumps... ravines etc etc etc...

all I have to worry about on the street is what asshats on thier cell phones are doing...
and if my girlfriend is flashing cars causing accidents behind me lol...


 
Going to have to back up all the riders on here.. And I think I have a pretty good view..

I have ridden Motocross for 14 years.. This year I finally made the jump to street. I of course didnt make the decsion that a few of the riders here would have made for me about the bike I purchased (05 636 Ninja) but I am almost 30 and can make my own call.

Right off the bat I bought good gear (Arai helmet, Joe Rocket Jacket, Over the calf Doc Martin Boots) and signed up for a MSF course. I rode occasionally before the MSF course -- I limited myself to non-highway and light traffic roads, so that I could learn the bike. After my MSF course (yes, 100% on both thank you thank you) I have started broadening my horizons and riding some different roads & highways. I have found that most bikers are not only courtious, but MUCH more aware of what is going on than you would expect. I find myself tracking EVERY car, judgeing potential moves & escape routes that I will need to take. I watch the wheels of cars that might pull out in front of me to clue me in to take action. Infact, hell that is half the fun of riding! Make it like a game where everyone is trying to kill you, and you have to avoid them.

Now...... I have had the "pleasure?" of riding in a LARGE (70+) sportbikes as of this weekend. Lets just say there was a smaller group of riders (mixed in with the large) that were not wearing ANY gear (unless you count the Michael Jordan Tanktop & basketball shorts) on Busas and Liter Gixxers. They would do 100mph wheelies and stoppies in 35-45mph zones, told me how many times they have run from cops, etc.. Oh, and one guy also told me straight up "I dont like corners 'dat much, I just like to go fast" (ughh). These are the fvcktards that ruin it for everyone else. Oh yeah they claimed to be "Ruff Riders" LMFAO. Other than that man, it was so sweet. There is NOTHING like 70+ bikes sitting at a stoplight, the sound is unbeliveable.
 
yeh we have them guys here too... funny most cant take a corner to save thier lives...
ill rail around the inside of those guys almost knee dragging on the street..

I used to love those huge rides like that..
after being one of the few that never ran from the cops and me being the one collecting tickets that others deserved.. (cops chasing bikes will always stop the ones that dont run it seems) I decided I was gonna find a new group to ride with...
now I ride with a small group of CCS/CMRA riders that I met at the track..
we go ride much more safely and usually with our girlfriends.

being that all of us have race licences we get our speed jollies for the most part on the track...
sure there are times on those lonely Texas back roads where we just blast and do our wheelies, and drag our knees around corners. but there is a time and a place for everything.. Houston highways and streets are not it...

if youre gonna do that crazy stuff take a couple of hours and drive out to BFE...
no traffic, lonely roads, and no cops to give ya a hard time.
 
Originally posted by: Safeway
Originally posted by: BigJ
Sorry to hear about your uncle, but people do plenty of things that are unsafe every single day.

I'd rather die young and have a hell of a time in the process, than die as an old man and wonder where all my time went.
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I'd rather not die in my 20s trying to have a good time, thanks.
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I would think you'd actually have to reach your 20s before making statements like the one you made above.
 
Originally posted by: CVSiN
sure there are times on those lonely Texas back roads where we just blast and do our wheelies, and drag our knees around corners. but there is a time and a place for everything.. Houston highways and streets are not it...

if youre gonna do that crazy stuff take a couple of hours and drive out to BFE...
no traffic, lonely roads, and no cops to give ya a hard time.
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Well when I am ready to even start trying any of that stuff.. No worries man I live in KS.. It seems all we have around here is BFE. 😀
 
Just to balance out a little of the emotion here, here's some actual facts:

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd-30/NCSA/Rpts/2001/809-360.pdf

A couple of interesting tidbits.

There are about 1,500 fatalities per year on motorcycles since 1975. I have no idea how many motorcyclists are out there, but obiously not all of them die on bikes. Odds are far more likely that we'll die from cancer.

In about half of the fatal crashes, there was a BAC over 0.10, 0.08 being the standard legal limit in most places.

So enough with the sob stories, it's time some facts were brought into play.
 
Originally posted by: CVSiN

how is that being an asshole.. see thats how the bike/car attitudes differ to us thats just as safe as having open road..
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passing anyone in any vehicle at 100mph with 2 feet between you is just that.

Originally posted by: CVSiN
FYI the Texas state legistlature just passed the bill to make lane splitting for us legal in Texas in september.
so if its so unsafe why is Texas and California letting us do it...
and if you interfere with a bike lanesplitting guess what... YOU in the CAR get the ticket..
not the bike..
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Both TX and CA have a lot of laws that are idiotic. Hence why I only visit either.

Originally posted by: CVSiN
Bikes need less space to make a safe pass...
cars have different laws than bikes do...
why do you think there are 3 different tests for licenses... car and bike and large truck.
the sooner cars relaize this and not to freak out or get mad as they talk on thier cell phones doing thier hair and makeup the better...
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so you are saying no bikers use radios? 😕

Originally posted by: CVSiN
It is reckless driving for a car to pass in between lanes...
for a bike its called lane splitting... and is a different ticket as its not considered reckless on a bike..

BTW the LAW makes it ok.. its not an unsafe pass on a bike unless it was done at excessive speeds or without a blinker...
we only need inches to be safe.. and the law at least in my state is on my side.
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it states 2 feet at 100mph to? you seem to be just drop facts and then skewing the way you follow them. There are reckless lane splits.
 
Originally posted by: CVSiN
Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
motocross = teh fun

bike on public road = teh insane
Click to expand...

funny as I got older my view on this got much different... I broke way more bones doing supercross/motorcross than i ever have on street bikes...

trees rocks 30 foot high camel jumps... ravines etc etc etc...

all I have to worry about on the street is what asshats on thier cell phones are doing...
and if my girlfriend is flashing cars causing accidents behind me lol...
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when I say bikes on public road = insance, its because of all the other drivers. If you reck on the street by yourself its one thing, but to get rear ended its another. Ive been rear ended several times, and I bet that had I been on a bike, Id be dead.
 
my football coach in high school lost a leg in a motorcycle accident. I don't have anything against motorcycles, but I wouldn't want to go out like that. I rather die than to wind up getting maimed. Maybe it's not a good idea to ride in a dense area like So cal during rush hour.
 
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: CVSiN

how is that being an asshole.. see thats how the bike/car attitudes differ to us thats just as safe as having open road..
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passing anyone in any vehicle at 100mph with 2 feet between you is just that.

Originally posted by: CVSiN
FYI the Texas state legistlature just passed the bill to make lane splitting for us legal in Texas in september.
so if its so unsafe why is Texas and California letting us do it...
and if you interfere with a bike lanesplitting guess what... YOU in the CAR get the ticket..
not the bike..
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Both TX and CA have a lot of laws that are idiotic. Hence why I only visit either.

Originally posted by: CVSiN
Bikes need less space to make a safe pass...
cars have different laws than bikes do...
why do you think there are 3 different tests for licenses... car and bike and large truck.
the sooner cars relaize this and not to freak out or get mad as they talk on thier cell phones doing thier hair and makeup the better...
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so you are saying no bikers use radios? 😕

Originally posted by: CVSiN
It is reckless driving for a car to pass in between lanes...
for a bike its called lane splitting... and is a different ticket as its not considered reckless on a bike..

BTW the LAW makes it ok.. its not an unsafe pass on a bike unless it was done at excessive speeds or without a blinker...
we only need inches to be safe.. and the law at least in my state is on my side.
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it states 2 feet at 100mph to? you seem to be just drop facts and then skewing the way you follow them. There are reckless lane splits.
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who the fvck said anything about 100 mph?
read my post again.. im not defending the street bonzai squid you dork...

Im defending the fact that bikes use alot less of the road and take up less space and therefore when you think we are too close in our eyes we are not even in the same area code..

and bikes in most states are not allowed to use radios...
so in most cases no...
and even if they do.. ever try to change a track with one hand digging in your jacket at 70-80 mph?
its impossible.. so most riders that do use radios use a play list...
the problem with cars and thier radios is they are a distraction.. you have to dig in your CD wallet ot change CDs.. you have your cell phone to answer.. your hair to do etc etc..

bikes have 1 thing to worry about...
what that asshat car in front of us is going to do...
thats it..
 
I'm going to have to defend lane splitting.

Having grown up in SoCal, I saw it all the time. And there are amazingly few accidents caused by it. Most people, and any smart rider, lane splits at no more than 10-20 MPH faster than the traffic it is passing.

The main trouble with lane spiltting is the irrational envy it causes among auto drivers.
 
Revival of thread again?

Anyway. Lane splitting is unsafe, especially when the law initally passes. Imagine a biker going fast between cars. A truck starts to change lanes in rush hour. Where does the bike go if it can't stop in time?

Answer: Heaven or Hell
 
Originally posted by: Safeway
Revival of thread again?

Anyway. Lane splitting is unsafe, especially when the law initally passes. Imagine a biker going fast between cars. A truck starts to change lanes in rush hour. Where does the bike go if it can't stop in time?

Answer: Heaven or Hell
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if the biker were smart, he wouldn't have been going fast enough not to stop. that's the key - driving smart.
 
Originally posted by: MeanMeosh
Originally posted by: Safeway
Revival of thread again?

Anyway. Lane splitting is unsafe, especially when the law initally passes. Imagine a biker going fast between cars. A truck starts to change lanes in rush hour. Where does the bike go if it can't stop in time?

Answer: Heaven or Hell
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if the biker were smart, he wouldn't have been going fast enough not to stop. that's the key - driving smart.
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I understand that.

But in practice, most the people that buy motorcycles are not the ones that drive smart. Most are thrill seekers that will do 50-60 between cars, maybe only for a short while, ... but that's all it takes, isn't it.
 
Originally posted by: Safeway
Originally posted by: MeanMeosh
Originally posted by: Safeway
Revival of thread again?

Anyway. Lane splitting is unsafe, especially when the law initally passes. Imagine a biker going fast between cars. A truck starts to change lanes in rush hour. Where does the bike go if it can't stop in time?

Answer: Heaven or Hell
Click to expand...

if the biker were smart, he wouldn't have been going fast enough not to stop. that's the key - driving smart.
Click to expand...

I understand that.

But in practice, most the people that buy motorcycles are not the ones that drive smart. Most are thrill seekers that will do 50-60 between cars, maybe only for a short while, ... but that's all it takes, isn't it.
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darwinism at it's best! once the dumb motorcycle drivers eliminate themselves, you'll see insurance rates go down as motorcycle accidents go down.
 
Originally posted by: Safeway
Originally posted by: MeanMeosh
Originally posted by: Safeway
Revival of thread again?

Anyway. Lane splitting is unsafe, especially when the law initally passes. Imagine a biker going fast between cars. A truck starts to change lanes in rush hour. Where does the bike go if it can't stop in time?

Answer: Heaven or Hell
Click to expand...

if the biker were smart, he wouldn't have been going fast enough not to stop. that's the key - driving smart.
Click to expand...

I understand that.

But in practice, most the people that buy motorcycles are not the ones that drive smart. Most are thrill seekers that will do 50-60 between cars, maybe only for a short while, ... but that's all it takes, isn't it.
Click to expand...

Every single claim you have made in this thread has been full of crap.

Your ass must REALLY hurt after pulling all of these "facts" out of it.

Stop making sh!t up as you go along.

Lane splitting has remained legal in the worst nanny-state in the union because of ONE reason: It causes very few accidents.
 
Originally posted by: Amused
I'm going to have to defend lane splitting.

Having grown up in SoCal, I saw it all the time. And there are amazingly few accidents caused by it. Most people, and any smart rider, lane splits at no more than 10-20 MPH faster than the traffic it is passing.

The main trouble with lane spiltting is the irrational envy it causes among auto drivers.
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exactly and jealous cage drivers are always getting road rage becasue of it...

yall dont realize how good a well trained biker can stop a bike...plus like was stated before bikers watch everything around them.. at freeway speeds these bikes take just a few feet to stop with 300lbs and race spec brakes...

unlike your 3000+ lb car all it takes is a few feet to safeley stop a bike from 60 mph..
plus unlike cars all I need to escape is 12 inches... you wont hit me or catch me off guard.. Ive been doign this way too long to let myself ride distracted..
 
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Safeway
Originally posted by: MeanMeosh
Originally posted by: Safeway
Revival of thread again?

Anyway. Lane splitting is unsafe, especially when the law initally passes. Imagine a biker going fast between cars. A truck starts to change lanes in rush hour. Where does the bike go if it can't stop in time?

Answer: Heaven or Hell
Click to expand...

if the biker were smart, he wouldn't have been going fast enough not to stop. that's the key - driving smart.
Click to expand...

I understand that.

But in practice, most the people that buy motorcycles are not the ones that drive smart. Most are thrill seekers that will do 50-60 between cars, maybe only for a short while, ... but that's all it takes, isn't it.
Click to expand...

Every single claim you have made in this thread has been full of crap.

Your ass must REALLY hurt after pulling all of these "facts" out of it.

Stop making sh!t up as you go along.

Lane splitting has remained legal in the worst nanny-state in the union because of ONE reason: It causes very few accidents.
Click to expand...

Where are the facts? I don't have facts up there.

If you are bashing my opinions, then ... oh, I am a bigger man that you will ever be.
 
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Safeway
Originally posted by: MeanMeosh
Originally posted by: Safeway
Revival of thread again?

Anyway. Lane splitting is unsafe, especially when the law initally passes. Imagine a biker going fast between cars. A truck starts to change lanes in rush hour. Where does the bike go if it can't stop in time?

Answer: Heaven or Hell
Click to expand...

if the biker were smart, he wouldn't have been going fast enough not to stop. that's the key - driving smart.
Click to expand...

I understand that.

But in practice, most the people that buy motorcycles are not the ones that drive smart. Most are thrill seekers that will do 50-60 between cars, maybe only for a short while, ... but that's all it takes, isn't it.
Click to expand...

Every single claim you have made in this thread has been full of crap.

Your ass must REALLY hurt after pulling all of these "facts" out of it.

Stop making sh!t up as you go along.

Lane splitting has remained legal in the worst nanny-state in the union because of ONE reason: It causes very few accidents.
Click to expand...

Do you realize who you are debating? He's 14 or 15 at most and probably never has even driven a car let alone a motorcycle.
 
Originally posted by: Safeway
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Safeway
Originally posted by: MeanMeosh
Originally posted by: Safeway
Revival of thread again?

Anyway. Lane splitting is unsafe, especially when the law initally passes. Imagine a biker going fast between cars. A truck starts to change lanes in rush hour. Where does the bike go if it can't stop in time?

Answer: Heaven or Hell
Click to expand...

if the biker were smart, he wouldn't have been going fast enough not to stop. that's the key - driving smart.
Click to expand...

I understand that.

But in practice, most the people that buy motorcycles are not the ones that drive smart. Most are thrill seekers that will do 50-60 between cars, maybe only for a short while, ... but that's all it takes, isn't it.
Click to expand...

Every single claim you have made in this thread has been full of crap.

Your ass must REALLY hurt after pulling all of these "facts" out of it.

Stop making sh!t up as you go along.

Lane splitting has remained legal in the worst nanny-state in the union because of ONE reason: It causes very few accidents.
Click to expand...

Where are the facts? I don't have facts up there.

If you are bashing my opinions, then ... oh, I am a bigger man that you will ever be.
Click to expand...

Opinions based on ignorance don't make you a "big man."
 
yeah my wife always says "you die when it's your time" and all that junk, but then she says a motorcycle is dangerous. um, what does it matter if i'll go when it's my time?
 
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