Most school zones are marked 'when children are present'. The article is from Saturday, a non school day. So the area could easily be a 45 zone.
Bill
Most school zones are marked 'when children are present'. The article is from Saturday, a non school day. So the area could easily be a 45 zone.
Bill
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School zones in California are only 25 mph when kids are present and the lights are flashing. Otherwise, the speed limit would be whatever would normally be appropriate given the road and conditions.
Oregon has a similar law, but school zones are 20 mph. For example, there is a school near my house on a 45 mph road. The speed limit on that road is 45 mph, except when school is in session, kids are present, and yellow lights marking the school zone are flashing. Otherwise, having the zone be 20 mph 24/7/365 would just be stupid and impractical.
Given that (1) the accident occurred on SATURDAY, June 12, and (2) that almost a week later officers had still not determined the cause of the accident, leads me to believe that excessive speed by the motorcyclist was not the cause of the accident.
My personal opinion is that the officers would love to blame the accident on the punk kid on the crotch rocket, but can't because the old lady was at fault. I don't know this, but like I posted earlier, look at the bike. It might be almost inside the car, but it's barely damaged.
When you hit 65 years of age, no more liscense for you.We are having early registration for incoming freshmen, and in the last three days I have avoided 3 three accidents due to the influx of grand/parents. One with a older man running a stop sign , one with an older lady making a left turn onto the street, and one not yielding to me on a traffic circle. Dumb fvcking old people.
The Stigenator
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here is TGG's accident report:
1. 16 yr old.
2. Honda CBR F4i (120hp/600cc)
3. No throttle control, no expereince
result: common accident fatality.. its happened before in similar situations.. kid must have been going way too fast and then ran the stop sign / light because he couldnt stop .. and then tboned the car.
1. 16 yr old.
2. Honda CBR F4i (120hp/600cc)
3. No throttle control, no expereince
result: common accident fatality.. its happened before in similar situations.. kid must have been going way too fast and then ran the stop sign / light because he couldnt stop .. and then tboned the car.
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Agreed, I don't think the rider was speeding, or if he was, not by much @ all, I'm pretty sure his right of way was violated by the car, and he had little time to react.
The bike wouldn't show a lot of damage, most of the colission was absorbed by the front forks & transmitted to the bike's frame, that's why the car crumpled. Cars have crush zones, bikes are hard & don't have crush zones, they bounce.
Also, a lot of the bike's energy was absorbed by the flip up into the car. Another 5-10 feet & the brakes on the F4 would have made the accident non-lethal for both
F4's have great brakes, & it appears the rides was using them.
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I agree but the front wheel isn't bent and the tire looks like it still has air in it. Hell, the forks don't even look bent (edit: or if so, not bad enough to be discerned from the pictures).
All things considered, the car's damage isn't even that bad either. I'm very curious how the right front tire got flat though...
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i dont think the kid was going 45.. moose is right though.. in some of the actions but i think he was going faster.. about 60 i would say.. those F4i's are very fast.. a 16 yr old was not going 45..
Second i think he tried to brake, didnt stop so he either locked the front and did a stoppie wherein he hit the car.. or he tried stopping and avoiding and started to loose teh bike..
Either case the kid shouldnt have been on an F4i
Second i think he tried to brake, didnt stop so he either locked the front and did a stoppie wherein he hit the car.. or he tried stopping and avoiding and started to loose teh bike..
Either case the kid shouldnt have been on an F4i
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I sincerely hope that you never get assigned jury duty... :roll:
Facts. Analyze with the facts of what you know. If those facts provide an incomplete picture, then connect the dots using a logical analysis without bias. Do not use assumptions based off prejudices. For all you know, this 16 year-old kid you are so prejudiced against has been riding dirt bikes since he was 3 years and is an expert and very responsible rider.
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f4i doesnt even make 100hp ... I've tore the engine up and put it back to gether before....
None the less, the granny didnt yield the bike and pulled out and then most likely froze. The kid just nailed her straight on with a little front brake (bkes that hit stuff head on bend forks, they dont flip up)
Bad.
The best idea would be either drop and slide or aim for the hood. The kid wasnt wearing leather (you can see his leg in the first pic) nor good shoes so sliding wasnt an option in his book im sure. He must've been going fast because that is the quite possibly the worst place to nail the car. Grannies dont step on it when pulling outta driveways, 15-20mph max. Plus the bike must've been going 60+ to dent it like that and move it.
If you get a brand new f4i as a 16 year old, you better fill out the organ donor consent on the back of your license.
The kid would'nt have had to hit the breaks if the old dame would have looked before pulling out.
Agreeing with the above posts that the lady most likely pulled out, and realized too late that she shouldn't have.
Regardless, and I don't care what else is said, that 16-year-old shouldn't have had a brand new 600. It's just too unforgiving, even if it is a honda. He just most likely didn't have enough experience to handle this type of situation on that bike...hell, a lot of riders in general don't. But if he'd been on a smaller bike, he probably would have been able to react a bit differently.
Edit: one of the things you accept when riding a motorcycle is the increased possibility that people will not see you. I've almost been run over who knows how many times; it's something you HAVE to be prepared for at ALL times while on a bike. If you aren't able to handle the added resonsibility of looking out for other people's mistakes, then just get in a bit more practice, or give up the bike altogether.
And no, I'm not saying that the accident is necessarily this kid's fault. It's tragic no matter how you look at it. But as a motorcyclist, you just have to be prepared to handle these kinds of situations. It sucks, but it's how things are.
Regardless, and I don't care what else is said, that 16-year-old shouldn't have had a brand new 600. It's just too unforgiving, even if it is a honda. He just most likely didn't have enough experience to handle this type of situation on that bike...hell, a lot of riders in general don't. But if he'd been on a smaller bike, he probably would have been able to react a bit differently.
Edit: one of the things you accept when riding a motorcycle is the increased possibility that people will not see you. I've almost been run over who knows how many times; it's something you HAVE to be prepared for at ALL times while on a bike. If you aren't able to handle the added resonsibility of looking out for other people's mistakes, then just get in a bit more practice, or give up the bike altogether.
And no, I'm not saying that the accident is necessarily this kid's fault. It's tragic no matter how you look at it. But as a motorcyclist, you just have to be prepared to handle these kinds of situations. It sucks, but it's how things are.
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I just looked @ the pics again, I thing they were closer to a 45 degree angle & the car was turning, the accident moved the car to where it looks like more of a 90 degree angle, the bike had the rear unweighted, struck the car, straightened out the car to more of a 90 degree angle, blew the lincolin's right front tire (the point that gave the most when the car moved, rolling the tire off the rim enough to blow it), the bike skipped across the car a bit & got lodged into the rear driver's side door.
& I think the speed was actually higher than 45 mph now, TGG is prob right, closer to 60mph. To blow th car's tire there were some pretty significant forces @ play...
& I think the speed was actually higher than 45 mph now, TGG is prob right, closer to 60mph. To blow th car's tire there were some pretty significant forces @ play...
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Agreed. I ride bikes and my father teachs a motorcycle class and I know of NO 16 year old that is mature enouhg to have a motorcycle.
What state was this? CA. I thought most states had age limits for motorcycles? If not they should.
Also you want to know why crotch rocket insurance is high, it is idiots like this. Yes its sad he is dead, but I hope it scares at least one parent enough from letting a 16 year old get a bike.
Also I and my father have been in bike accidnets and that KID was going way faster then 45.
I was doing about 30mph and my father was doing about 50mph when he hit. I juts bounced off the full size suv and my father pushed the mini-van that pulled out in front of him and he went through the side window of it.
I would guess he was doing at least 55, more close to 65+++.
I was doing about 30mph and my father was doing about 50mph when he hit. I juts bounced off the full size suv and my father pushed the mini-van that pulled out in front of him and he went through the side window of it.
I would guess he was doing at least 55, more close to 65+++.
Now the rider was going in the right direction if you see the last two pictures. Old lady pulls out of the lot or whatever she was getting out of. She doesnt see the rider or maybe estimates that he is not going that fast. Its hard to say what kind of speeds the motorcycle was going at. Since it is such a concentrated impact on the car and only one end moved (the front rotated by a certain angle as moose pointed out), it is possible that he might be going only at 45. Even if he was speeding, the old lady is at fault.
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the thing is that i dont see the kid braking.. no front brake either.. i dont think the kid even slowed down enough.. if the kid braked.. i mean braked.. we would have seen some rubber..
okay granted the F4i does have a tendency to do a stoppie.. but even so we would have seen stoppie skid marks.. i think the guy was going 60+ and didnt even brake ..
the lady is at fault too for not checking for a bike, even so kid should have been riding in High beam at day light.
I think the kid tore up after the light and then that portion where the kid was was close enoguh to the lights, that she saw the lights just turned green, probably didnt realise that there is a vehicle coming really fast.. she didnt look down the road but rather looked above.. and in the process pulled out and the kid didnt ahve time to brake..
okay granted the F4i does have a tendency to do a stoppie.. but even so we would have seen stoppie skid marks.. i think the guy was going 60+ and didnt even brake ..
the lady is at fault too for not checking for a bike, even so kid should have been riding in High beam at day light.
I think the kid tore up after the light and then that portion where the kid was was close enoguh to the lights, that she saw the lights just turned green, probably didnt realise that there is a vehicle coming really fast.. she didnt look down the road but rather looked above.. and in the process pulled out and the kid didnt ahve time to brake..
yeah, but to avoid an instant obstacle need 3-5 years riding experience.
hard on the brakes and if you are going to hit then jump.
Tragic really...I've had cars pull in front of me like that. count my blessings.
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You know what's strange? No blood at all in those pictures. They wouldn't bother with cleaning it up at the scene?
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