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Sundog

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Originally posted by: Ausm
Originally posted by: SilverTorch
Originally posted by: halik
i call shens cbr1000RR cant hit 205. Even with newer sprockets i very much doubt it.

if it did hit 205, then the bike was not stock



I agree highly modified.

Ausm

With not only the engine but the aerodynamics of the bike to keep the front-end on the damn ground.

 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: welst10
That 205 figure has a big error margin since the cop only recorded for 4.39 sec with his bare eyes. It's reasonable to give bare eye measurements a + or -1 sec error margin which translated to 25%. So that guy may actually be doing 155mph.
Correct. Airplane tickets are notoriously inaccurate, and cops are known to guess on the high side. Unfortunately for this guy, he will not be able to argue that he was not speeding, and is going to have a hard time in court.
Ironically, had he been on the German Autobahn, which has much lower accident and fatality rates than US freeways despite carrying similar traffic loads, he would not have gotten a ticket at all. But then, speed kills right? :roll:

I thought i just heard awhile back that the German goverment was considering putting speedlimits on the Autobahn because of the major accidents they've been having the past few years.

No, they're considering putting speed limits on because both political parties in Germany are very liberal at the moment.
 

mobobuff

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Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: mobobuff
Originally quoted from Article

"I'm not entirely sure what would happen if you crashed at 200 miles per hour," Swanson said. "But it wouldn't be pretty, that's for sure."

Well... considering you wouldn't even hit the ground that fast if you jumped out of an airplane... I'd imagine it'd be something like throwing an egg at a brick wall.

i think your skin would just completely come off from skidding on the pavement

Skin would completely come off just at 50 mph.

That's assuming he just doesn't hit the back of a car and fly through both windshields.

You know what'd be cool... if he ramped the bike at that speed. A big ramp with a huge incline. And then landed in a lake.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: LikeLinus
I thought i just heard awhile back that the German goverment was considering putting speedlimits on the Autobahn because of the major accidents they've been having the past few years.
Only in congested urban areas, and accident rates have not gone down since implemented.

The 2 greatest myths about driving are "Speed kills" and "People always drive faster than the posted speed limit". The realities are that traffic congestion and driver inattention are the leading causes of accidents, and virtually all drivers (except drunks, teenagers, and motorcycle squids) only drive as fast as they feel is safe.

edit: there is no "safe" freeway speed. You do not somehow die in every accident at 56 or faster and miraculously live in every accident at 55 or slower. The reality there is that 55 mph = 88 feet/second. Force equals mass times acceleration. You do the math.
 

shopbruin

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Originally posted by: welst10
Like I said above, any good lawyer will easily strike down the 205 claim by the cop as it was not recorded by a radar but his bare eyes.

there's still the "driving without a motorcycle license" charge and the overall charge of reckless driving.
 

Fausto

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Originally posted by: Sundog
Originally posted by: Ausm
Originally posted by: SilverTorch
Originally posted by: halik
i call shens cbr1000RR cant hit 205. Even with newer sprockets i very much doubt it.

if it did hit 205, then the bike was not stock



I agree highly modified.

Ausm

With not only the engine but the aerodynamics of the bike to keep the front-end on the damn ground.
Bikes are already set up that way since you'd get plenty of lift at 100 if things were badly designed. It's mostly a question of HP if you want to break 200 on a bike with a stock fairing.

 

DrPizza

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As a physics teacher, I find it pointless for the officer to have a hundredths digit on the stopwatch. Rarely do I have students who can master such precision with a stopwatch. (I did have one student a few years ago who could come within 2 or 3 hundredths though, but that's 1 out of very many. +/- one second is on the extreme high side. It's rare that I run across anyone off by more than half a second. With .5 seconds error, that translates to 184 mph.

With such a short time, .5 seconds error is pretty significant. Had it been more like 30 seconds being timed, the .5 second error would have been less significant.
 

LikeLinus

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
I thought i just heard awhile back that the German goverment was considering putting speedlimits on the Autobahn because of the major accidents they've been having the past few years.
Only in congested urban areas, and accident rates have not gone down since implemented.

The 2 greatest myths about driving are "Speed kills" and "People always drive faster than the posted speed limit". The realities are that traffic congestion and driver inattention are the leading causes of accidents, and virtually all drivers (except drunks, teenagers, and motorcycle squids) only drive as fast as they feel is safe.

edit: there is no "safe" freeway speed. You do not somehow die in every accident at 56 or faster and miraculously live in every accident at 55 or slower. The reality there is that 55 mph = 88 feet/second. Force equals mass times acceleration. You do the math.

The problem is you aren't accounting for reckless driving. Of course the "math" will tell you one thing, but common sense will tell you that someone driving 80mph weaving in and out of cars doing 65 is bound to cause an accident sooner or later.

Driving isn't just math, you have to factor in the conditions around you. I know most of the people on the roads (at least around here) do infact speed. Nashville has cracked down on Speeding very hard for the past year. The court system got so overcrounded that they've implimented a paperwork system so that you can plead guilty, mail in the cash and go directly to class. You can drive down the road and see them with 4-5 cars pulled over on 65/40/24 at any time. People do speed..thats just a fact of life.

I'll totally agree though that speed isn't the number 1 killer..it's peoples reckless driving or just plain inability to drive.
 

OutHouse

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heheh bickering over if the cop was right or not.

either way, the dumbass wont be driving anytime soon.
 

Sundog

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Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: Sundog

With not only the engine but the aerodynamics of the bike to keep the front-end on the damn ground.
Bikes are already set up that way since you'd get plenty of lift at 100 if things were badly designed. It's mostly a question of HP if you want to break 200 on a bike with a stock fairing.


Not all bikes are set up correctly for extreme speeds out of the factory. I have been on several bikes that feel rock solid at 120-125 mph but the front end starts to feel light at approx. 145 mph.

The size and shape of the driver can also have a decent effect.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: LikeLinus
The problem is you aren't accounting for reckless driving. Of course the "math" will tell you one thing, but common sense will tell you that someone driving 80mph weaving in and out of cars doing 65 is bound to cause an accident sooner or later.

Driving isn't just math, you have to factor in the conditions around you. I know most of the people on the roads (at least around here) do infact speed. Nashville has cracked down on Speeding very hard for the past year. The court system got so overcrounded that they've implimented a paperwork system so that you can plead guilty, mail in the cash and go directly to class. You can drive down the road and see them with 4-5 cars pulled over on 65/40/24 at any time. People do speed..thats just a fact of life.

I'll totally agree though that speed isn't the number 1 killer..it's peoples reckless driving or just plain inability to drive.
I agree. But IMO (using the example you gave) some idiot doing 50 blocking the left lane in a 65 is even more dangerous than someone weaving in and out doing 80 in that same 65. Yet that dangerous idiot doing 50 blocking the left lane (idiot because those fools usually think they are safe drivers, oblivious to the dangerous congestion they create behind them) will never get a ticket.

The purpose of speeding tickets is to generate revenue, not improve traffic safety. Almost every day I see people dangerously not signal in front of police or scream through an intersection chasing a yellow light right in front of a cop (both are class B traffic infractions, comparable to 15 over) and never get a ticket, but God forbid you do more than 5 over in front of a cop.
 

BigPoppa

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
I thought i just heard awhile back that the German goverment was considering putting speedlimits on the Autobahn because of the major accidents they've been having the past few years.
Only in congested urban areas, and accident rates have not gone down since implemented.

The 2 greatest myths about driving are "Speed kills" and "People always drive faster than the posted speed limit". The realities are that traffic congestion and driver inattention are the leading causes of accidents, and virtually all drivers (except drunks, teenagers, and motorcycle squids) only drive as fast as they feel is safe.

edit: there is no "safe" freeway speed. You do not somehow die in every accident at 56 or faster and miraculously live in every accident at 55 or slower. The reality there is that 55 mph = 88 feet/second. Force equals mass times acceleration. You do the math.

I think you were going for momentum there. Cruising at 55mph you have relatively little acceleration. Momentum = V*m

/end physics nerding
 

lancestorm

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Originally posted by: mobobuff
Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: mobobuff
Originally quoted from Article

"I'm not entirely sure what would happen if you crashed at 200 miles per hour," Swanson said. "But it wouldn't be pretty, that's for sure."

Well... considering you wouldn't even hit the ground that fast if you jumped out of an airplane... I'd imagine it'd be something like throwing an egg at a brick wall.

i think your skin would just completely come off from skidding on the pavement

Skin would completely come off just at 50 mph.

That's assuming he just doesn't hit the back of a car and fly through both windshields.

You know what'd be cool... if he ramped the bike at that speed. A big ramp with a huge incline. And then landed in a lake.

...and then got eaten by the Loch Ness Monster! :scared:
 

540mb

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Originally posted by: Fiveohhh
Originally posted by: Fiveohhh
They're having a blip about it on the news tonight, I'll try and cap it.

http://www.chiefmarley.com/205.mpg

heres a cap from the news(25mb)

That server RULES. 850kb the whole time. That made me a happy person. In any case...that cop who clocked him was such a dork. Man I hate cops. "HE WAS going 205". That cop needs to get off his power trip and think that just maybe he was a little off. Flying a plane, looking for road markers at a couple thousand feet, and pushing a stop watch all at the same time doesn't seem to be a very accurate way for one person measure speed.
 

Fiveohhh

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Originally posted by: 540mb
Originally posted by: Fiveohhh
Originally posted by: Fiveohhh
They're having a blip about it on the news tonight, I'll try and cap it.

http://www.chiefmarley.com/205.mpg

heres a cap from the news(25mb)

That server RULES. 850kb the whole time. That made me a happy person. In any case...that cop who clocked him was such a dork. Man I hate cops. "HE WAS going 205". That cop needs to get off his power trip and think that just maybe he was a little off. Flying a plane, looking for road markers at a couple thousand feet, and pushing a stop watch all at the same time doesn't seem to be a very accurate way for one person measure speed.



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That cop seemed a bit cocky that his system was flawless and no way could human error be involved. Like everything else there are good cops and bad cops, and I've had my run ins with both.
 

SportSC4

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They don't automatically arrest you for reckless driving. Trust me, I know... sigh.
In my state, reckless is automatically added for going +25 over the posted limit...