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Most singers don't sound as good live.

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Originally posted by: ITJunkie
Originally posted by: LoKe
Rush was amazing live, and they sound as good as they did when they started.

Now THAT is the truth! How the hell Geddy can still hit some of those high notes at his age is beyond me.
It's because he can't. All their songs are tuned down nowadays. He hits the same notes, but in lower octaves.
He couldn't even begin to sing as high as he once did.

Most bands do tune down live, especially the guys with higher voices. Singing that high in the studio a few times over a month-long session is one thing, but doing it every other night all year long is quite another.

Steve Perry of Journey sang the songs like they were recorded back in the early to mid 80's, but he wouldn't even talk between shows to try and save his voice.

Even screamers who could really wail like Sammy Hagar and Rob Halford didn't sing in the same key live as the albums.
 
Originally posted by: foghorn67
Originally posted by: destrekor
Claudio Sanchez from Coheed and Cambria usually sounds great live, not necessarily always great acoustically because he doesn't put a lot of power into his voice during acoustic sessions. He is a singer that probably needs to sing somewhat loud to be able to consistently reach those high vocals. However, another problem is you can definitely tell touring puts stress on his throat after awhile, because some days he doesn't sound that great. I've only seen them twice, and once was at warped tour this summer. The past summer they played at a local venue and he sounded amazing. Pitch perfect? I have no clue. He tends to bring it down to more reasonable levels during concerts, probably to spare his vocals, and because there is less worry. So he may not reach his recorded angelic-high vocals live, but he still sounds great. His voice doesn't sound altered on the albums, so I'm assuming he just puts more effort to reach those notes. But he does sometimes reach those high pitches live, probably depends on the style of the song, as he does change vocal styles quite a bit between songs.

Dude, would you should shut up about c&c already? You are sick in the head if you think Claudia great vocals in any medium.
You are like a teenager in the nineties talking about Poison.

don't judge. everyone either raves or hates geddy lee. you're just a hater. besides, he's also a better guitarist than most rock guitarists these days. and chris pennie is the best drummer right now.

besides, i only rave about Co&Ca because they are under-appreciated because people either are turned off by the vocals, don't understand the lyrics, or only hear the pop songs that tend to be their singles. i don't actually talk about them that much, but when people ask for mentions of good rock these days, who the hell else am I going to mention? Everyone knows RHCP, Audioslave, etc etc.. should I instead mention some generic rock band? Besides, I don't go to concerts much because I like being on the floor but hate assholes that like to turn the whole floor into a moshpit, that and I can't afford them. Co&Ca is the band I have the most experience with shows, having seen them twice. I saw Chris Pennie with Dillenger Escape Plan, and he was awesome, but I was just mostly turned off by the crowd when they listened to DEP, and that kept me from enjoying them as much. But fwiw, DEP sounded great and definitely added that extra umph compared to sounding like their CD (I listened to it before and after the show to get a taste of them before seeing them, and again after to compare their sound).

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: ITJunkie
Originally posted by: LoKe
Rush was amazing live, and they sound as good as they did when they started.

Now THAT is the truth! How the hell Geddy can still hit some of those high notes at his age is beyond me.
It's because he can't. All their songs are tuned down nowadays. He hits the same notes, but in lower octaves.
He couldn't even begin to sing as high as he once did.

Most bands do tune down live, especially the guys with higher voices. Singing that high in the studio a few times over a month-long session is one thing, but doing it every other night all year long is quite another.

Steve Perry of Journey sang the songs like they were recorded back in the early to mid 80's, but he wouldn't even talk between shows to try and save his voice.

Even screamers who could really wail like Sammy Hagar and Rob Halford didn't sing in the same key live as the albums.

funny that people mention geddy and have no problem, and explain his high pitch, but I mention Claudio Sanchez and foghorn gets all upset. figures.
 
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Originally posted by: amjohns5
From what I've heard, Anthony Kiedis sucks live.

Depends whether he's on his A game or not. If he is, he sounds fine. If not, well it's still a damn good show. 🙂

I think a more appropriate statement would be: depends if he remembers his lyrics or not
 
One example of NOT sounding good live - Amy Lee from Evanescence.
TERRIBLE live. I love their CD's, but will never go to another concert.
They airbrush her voice like they airbrush her pictures. Neither are pretty in real life. ;(
 
Worst recorded to live I've ever heard is Amy Winehouse. Amazing voice on CD. Click to live clips on youtube and she can't even follow the beat much less carry a note. W.T.F.
 
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: aplefka
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Cake was awesome live.

Hahaha man I love Cake.

Then it is absolutely imperative that you attend the next concert they have near you.

You better believe I will. One of my buddies is on their song Sheep Go To Heaven.

My first experience with Cake was in like 2nd or 3rd grade when we got this crazy music teacher at my school and he was telling us how his son was in a band named Cake and brought the Fashion Nugget album to school. I still don't know if I believe him.
 
I just got back from seeing Pepper at HOB:Anaheim and I must say they can sing pretty good for the most part. I was worried since I had heard that they get hammered during every show and by the end of it can't sing, but it wasn't too bad tonight. There were definitely some high notes he (Kaleo) sang an octave under but I was still surprised at some of the notes he hit. Bret also had some pipes as well.
 
One of my favorite musicians is Happy Rhodes. If you want to hear someone sing live just as well as in the studio, check out this video. It's the last song of the second set of the night, her voice is shot, she's playing guitar while she sings, and she's so tired that she forgets the words to her own song...and still she nails it. She's amazing! Enjoy!
 
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Originally posted by: amjohns5
From what I've heard, Anthony Kiedis sucks live.

Depends whether he's on his A game or not. If he is, he sounds fine. If not, well it's still a damn good show. 🙂

I think a more appropriate statement would be: depends if he remembers his lyrics or not

When he forgets he makes it awesome though. 😀
 
Worst Live performance I've ever heard was Steve Miller.

I've heard bands cover his tunes 10X better than he did.
 
Originally posted by: Squisher
Worst Live performance I've ever heard was Steve Miller.

I've heard bands cover his tunes 10X better than he did.

Well, the top of his game was over twenty years ago...
 
Originally posted by: destrekor
don't judge. everyone either raves or hates geddy lee. you're just a hater. besides, he's also a better guitarist than most rock guitarists these days. and chris pennie is the best drummer right now....




...funny that people mention geddy and have no problem, and explain his high pitch, but I mention Claudio Sanchez and foghorn gets all upset. figures.

That isn't true. I don't like Geddy Lee or Rush, but I appreciate them for their immense talent.
C&C doesn't really have anything close to Rush, don't even start comparing them.
 
Originally posted by: destrekor


funny that people mention geddy and have no problem, and explain his high pitch, but I mention Claudio Sanchez and foghorn gets all upset. figures.

prob because the songs Geddy sings dont suck

i dont dislike Sanchez voice but C&Cs music is pretty much crap IMO
 
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: Kyle
Kind of on topic...one thing that I hate is when bands DO sound EXACTLY like listening to their CD as a couple posters stated above.
One example that I can think of was Weezer. That show was identicle to their CD...they didnt improvise/change anything at all...hardly talked to the crowd...just kind of stood their and played their set exactly as it would sound on a cd. I'd much prefer perhaps a slight hit in quality for some variety/excitment from the band...longer solos, different pace, anything...Basically just a "live" energy to the set

I've seen them 3 times and walked away 10 minutes in each time. F weezer's live show.

If we're just talking vocalists...from my personal experiences
Sound Great:
JMK - tool
ZDLR - RATM
linkin park (horrendous live show, but he's pretty on point live)
foo fighters
guy from afi
guy from killers
kid rock (i shit you not)

Sound Horrendous
mars volta
weezer
wu tang clan


hit or miss
AK - rhcp
guy from velvet revolver
roger waters
thom yorke

Yeah I agree, it's nice to hear something "extra" in live version 🙂
Also, it just so happens that some songs are just naturally harder to sing then others, live or not 😛
 
Originally posted by: foghorn67
Originally posted by: destrekor
don't judge. everyone either raves or hates geddy lee. you're just a hater. besides, he's also a better guitarist than most rock guitarists these days. and chris pennie is the best drummer right now....




...funny that people mention geddy and have no problem, and explain his high pitch, but I mention Claudio Sanchez and foghorn gets all upset. figures.

That isn't true. I don't like Geddy Lee or Rush, but I appreciate them for their immense talent.
C&C doesn't really have anything close to Rush, don't even start comparing them.

i'm not comparing to Rush as far as musical talents go. but obviously you or Anubis have not heard most of their music. tell me you've heard something that doesn't sound like poppy rock music, and maybe I'll believe you. Because that's what most of their radio music is.
Have you played Rock Band? If so, their song Welcome Home is in it. Great song. They have great progressive-rock stylings throughout all their albums but don't necessarily go the prog-rock ways of Rush, but sometimes sound similar and make hints to drawing some style from them (although Claudio claims he is not really a fan of Rush and didn't listen to them until people were saying they sounded like them. true or not? no clue).
songs like:
Time Consumer, In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth, the Velorium Camper song series (1-3), Cuts Marked in the March of Men, The Light the Glass, 2113, Welcome Home, Apollo I, the Willing Well series (I-IV, IV being The Final Cut, a great tribute to Pink Floyd), No World For Tomorrow, The Hound (of blood and rank), Feathers, Mother Superior, Gravemakers and Gunslingers, and The End Complete III and V are great great songs, many of them showing influences to some of the greatest rock songs of yesteryear.
(btw, songs listed in order of release. time consumer being off their first official release. some songs also listed are not necessarily anywhere near top quality, but I like the different sounds in each and every one of those songs. i personally can listen to all of their music without a problem, but sometimes tend to skip over other songs if I'm just picking a song here and there to listen to.)

if you can listen to those, and claim none of them are good.. then okay, your a hater. I've known MANY people to dislike Co&Ca and still like at least a couple of those songs.
to not like their music is opinion, and I don't mind. not everyone likes the same styles of music. me? i cannot stand rap. however, to say they have no talent is completely wrong.
sadly the drumming on the latest album is supposedly written by Chris Pennie, however performed by Taylor Hawkins. I think either Pennie dumbed it down, or Hawkins did. because the drumming is rather basic throughout the entire album. the previous albums were the bands regular drummer, Josh Eppard, who left 'for personal reasons'. rumor has it he was basically dropped from the band after some problems and confrontations.

regardless, this will be my last post about them in this thread. you have my word. just give some of those songs a listen if at all possible. i am in no way saying they are greater than the music of yesteryear, however, they are great on their own accord.
lyrically though, and for purpose of understanding the sound of each song, it helps to understand that every line is apart of the greater concept story and has meaning. you don't need to know the story to enjoy, but that takes the edge of some of the more disturbing lyrics their songs tend to have.
 
Originally posted by: destrekor
'm not comparing to Rush as far as musical talents go. but obviously you or Anubis have not heard most of their music. tell me you've heard something that doesn't sound like poppy rock music, and maybe I'll believe you. Because that's what most of their radio music is.
Have you played Rock Band? If so, their song Welcome Home is in it. Great song. They have great progressive-rock stylings throughout all their albums but don't necessarily go the prog-rock ways of Rush, but sometimes sound similar and make hints to drawing some style from them (although Claudio claims he is not really a fan of Rush and didn't listen to them until people were saying they sounded like them. true or not? no clue).
songs like:
Time Consumer, In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth, the Velorium Camper song series (1-3), Cuts Marked in the March of Men, The Light the Glass, 2113, Welcome Home, Apollo I, the Willing Well series (I-IV, IV being The Final Cut, a great tribute to Pink Floyd), No World For Tomorrow, The Hound (of blood and rank), Feathers, Mother Superior, Gravemakers and Gunslingers, and The End Complete III and V are great great songs, many of them showing influences to some of the greatest rock songs of yesteryear.
(btw, songs listed in order of release. time consumer being off their first official release. some songs also listed are not necessarily anywhere near top quality, but I like the different sounds in each and every one of those songs. i personally can listen to all of their music without a problem, but sometimes tend to skip over other songs if I'm just picking a song here and there to listen to.)

if you can listen to those, and claim none of them are good.. then okay, your a hater. I've known MANY people to dislike Co&Ca and still like at least a couple of those songs.
to not like their music is opinion, and I don't mind. not everyone likes the same styles of music. me? i cannot stand rap. however, to say they have no talent is completely wrong.
sadly the drumming on the latest album is supposedly written by Chris Pennie, however performed by Taylor Hawkins. I think either Pennie dumbed it down, or Hawkins did. because the drumming is rather basic throughout the entire album. the previous albums were the bands regular drummer, Josh Eppard, who left 'for personal reasons'. rumor has it he was basically dropped from the band after some problems and confrontations.

regardless, this will be my last post about them in this thread. you have my word. just give some of those songs a listen if at all possible. i am in no way saying they are greater than the music of yesteryear, however, they are great on their own accord.
lyrically though, and for purpose of understanding the sound of each song, it helps to understand that every line is apart of the greater concept story and has meaning. you don't need to know the story to enjoy, but that takes the edge of some of the more disturbing lyrics their songs tend to have.

You lost all credibility right there. We don't need to validate the fact that Rush doesn't suck.
I can easily conclude that c&c does. It's horrible.
I am not a hater. Why should I hate? I don't know what they do in life besides music, they could be swell, outstanding citizens, but I don't care. I just know it causes people to cringe.
 
Originally posted by: foghorn67
Originally posted by: destrekor
'm not comparing to Rush as far as musical talents go. but obviously you or Anubis have not heard most of their music. tell me you've heard something that doesn't sound like poppy rock music, and maybe I'll believe you. Because that's what most of their radio music is.
Have you played Rock Band? If so, their song Welcome Home is in it. Great song. They have great progressive-rock stylings throughout all their albums but don't necessarily go the prog-rock ways of Rush, but sometimes sound similar and make hints to drawing some style from them (although Claudio claims he is not really a fan of Rush and didn't listen to them until people were saying they sounded like them. true or not? no clue).
songs like:
Time Consumer, In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth, the Velorium Camper song series (1-3), Cuts Marked in the March of Men, The Light the Glass, 2113, Welcome Home, Apollo I, the Willing Well series (I-IV, IV being The Final Cut, a great tribute to Pink Floyd), No World For Tomorrow, The Hound (of blood and rank), Feathers, Mother Superior, Gravemakers and Gunslingers, and The End Complete III and V are great great songs, many of them showing influences to some of the greatest rock songs of yesteryear.
(btw, songs listed in order of release. time consumer being off their first official release. some songs also listed are not necessarily anywhere near top quality, but I like the different sounds in each and every one of those songs. i personally can listen to all of their music without a problem, but sometimes tend to skip over other songs if I'm just picking a song here and there to listen to.)

if you can listen to those, and claim none of them are good.. then okay, your a hater. I've known MANY people to dislike Co&Ca and still like at least a couple of those songs.
to not like their music is opinion, and I don't mind. not everyone likes the same styles of music. me? i cannot stand rap. however, to say they have no talent is completely wrong.
sadly the drumming on the latest album is supposedly written by Chris Pennie, however performed by Taylor Hawkins. I think either Pennie dumbed it down, or Hawkins did. because the drumming is rather basic throughout the entire album. the previous albums were the bands regular drummer, Josh Eppard, who left 'for personal reasons'. rumor has it he was basically dropped from the band after some problems and confrontations.

regardless, this will be my last post about them in this thread. you have my word. just give some of those songs a listen if at all possible. i am in no way saying they are greater than the music of yesteryear, however, they are great on their own accord.
lyrically though, and for purpose of understanding the sound of each song, it helps to understand that every line is apart of the greater concept story and has meaning. you don't need to know the story to enjoy, but that takes the edge of some of the more disturbing lyrics their songs tend to have.

You lost all credibility right there. We don't need to validate the fact that Rush doesn't suck.
I can easily conclude that c&c does. It's horrible.
I am not a hater. Why should I hate? I don't know what they do in life besides music, they could be swell, outstanding citizens, but I don't care. I just know it causes people to cringe.

I know I don't need to validate that Rush doesn't suck. that line confuses me. wth do you mean? we all know Rush doesn't suck.. so.. ?
your reasoning is lacking, however, as to why you think it causes people to cringe? I know many fans (NOT TEENS, mind you, i dislike the fact that you had to so much as to allude that all fans are teens. only the ones that got into the music for the poppy singles are the teens), in fact love them for all the style references to Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Beatles, Rush, and countless other bands. No, I am not claiming they are superior to those bands, as the original styles will always be better than imitated styles, not that Co&Ca imitate though. They are inspired and pay tribute. key difference. however, I've met quite a few adults who appreciate their music because it's so different than all the generic bands out there today. And that will continue to be one of the main reasons I like the band, because they are in fact so different. everything on the radio sounds the same these days.
is it you merely don't like the combined sound? think they aren't talented? what? i'm just asking for a justification of your completely dismissal of the band. not that's its necessary, but I find interest in those are oppose to bands where the members are actually talented. most musicians these days can only do thoughtless arrangement, weak drum fills, predictable guitar riffs, boring bassist, etc etc. Hell, coheed's basist used to be boring but has since stepped up his game. well, he was awesome live but the recorded bass lines were rather boring. his stuff is much better in the new album.
i happen to like the sound, but the main thing is I can listen to any individual person's instrument (or vocals) and appreciate them due to talent. liking the overall sound does help. 😉 but do you find yourself hating the guitar work (the dueling guitar work, specifically, as rhythm and lead change throughout the songs), the bass work.. or the drums even? drums are understandable, they are best live and the older music tended to be full of predictable drum fills. like I said, i just like discussion of modern rock and a lot of the people my age and older that I run into, tend to like coheed for the same reason as I: we observe them as having talent and an edge that is not present in most rock bands out there right now.

dammit i went and made another post. oh well, needed the break from the break from the paper. it's giving me a headache. damn procrastination and damned midnight deadline.
 
I've seen plenty of bands that sound just as good or better live. The singer from the Yeah Yeah Yeahs is fantastic live.
 
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