Most Rape Victims in the Military are Men

[TallBill]

Luckily I haven't responded to any rape cases of either sex yet. Notooking forward to that call.

 

[who?]

The cases cited are from YEARS ago. Are there any claims of more recent occurrences of this?

 

[SheHateMe]

Look, the thing about the thread is more the surprise that any male rape happens, at all in the military. Horrible as it sounds, I get female rape, but male rape is...worse.

Explain how one rape is worse than the other rape?

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Explain how one rape is worse than the other rape?

He probably assumes someone going through an unlubed butt is worse than going through an unlube vagina, which I doubt is the case. At least that's the only thing I can remotely think of. It's retarded any way one tries to rationalize it though.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Look, the thing about the thread is more the surprise that any male rape happens, at all in the military. Horrible as it sounds, I get female rape, but male rape is...worse.

Let me guess -- you're male. :whiste:

 

[Dr. Detroit]

har har har

Har har har!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kU0XCVey_U

 

[nextJin]

I'd imagine that men would be less likely to report being raped by another man while serving in the military.

Perhaps, there is more of a stigma behind something like that.

Well two things I said "rumors" which should be around, and second military is not prison. Even in an infantry basic your not there for years. The ability to have legitimate sex is available to all even on deployment believe it or not.

It might not be a daily occurance but it's enough to convince most not to pump the shitter, in prison you have decades.

 

[mcveigh]

well it is the navy....

 

[mikeymikec]

You obviously have been watching way too many Hollywood movies and never served.

Oh, what a blatant slight against the OP's character! I bet he would eat his own guts and ask for seconds. Just like every other REAL MAN here.

I ate my own guts and asked for seconds yesterday.


I got better!

Look, the thing about the thread is more the surprise that any male rape happens, at all in the military. Horrible as it sounds, I get female rape, but male rape is...worse.

Really?

Let's play "guess the OP's gender".

 

[nehalem256]

Explain how one rape is worse than the other rape?

(1) One could argue that male rape is more shaming because you know a real man would have been able to protect himself.

(2) The rape of a straight man by another man is not just forcing him to engage in sex against his will, but forcing him to engage in sex he would never have engaged in against his will.

Just throwing that out there.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

From a practical/societal standpoint, I'm fairly certain that male molestation and rape victims are also much more likely to become sexual offenders or uncontrollably violent as well.

 

[Siddhartha]

http://www.examiner.com/article/most-rape-victims-the-u-s-military-are-men



Okay, here's what I don't get.

You know who they are. You know where the weapons are. If that ever happened to me, I would hunt down and murder the rapists. So how does this happen?

Probably the same reasons women who have been raped do not get a weapon and hunt down the people who raped them.

 

[mikeymikec]

(1) One could argue that male rape is more shaming because you know a real man would have been able to protect himself.

Wow. Just wow. The pedestal that your your masculinity sits on...

(2) The rape of a straight man by another man is not just forcing him to engage in sex against his will, but forcing him to engage in sex he would never have engaged in against his will.

Just throwing that out there.

I'll imagine the woman's relief when she thinks "well, at least I was raped by someone of the same gender that I normally am attracted to".

I wonder if you and the other person who thinks that a male rape victim experiences something worse than a female rape victim also think that a woman must get something positive out of the experience.

 

[nehalem256]

Wow. Just wow. The pedestal that your your masculinity sits on...

Do you think a male rape victim won't feel greater shame?

I'll imagine the woman's relief when she thinks "well, at least I was raped by someone of the same gender that I normally am attracted to".

Its not a matter of relief. Certain rapes are worse than others. I am not sure why this is difficult to understand.

Do you think that a woman who is raped by one guy in the front while another simultaneously takes her in the back door might be more traumatized than one who is only raped strictly missionary nothing kinky?

I wonder if you and the other person who thinks that a male rape victim experiences something worse than a female rape victim also think that a woman must get something positive out of the experience.

I get it, you are incapable of thinking critically about rape.

 

[OverVolt]

I'm sure you wouldn't be singing the same tune if you actually got gang raped.

Yes, you know where the weapons are, and so do he and his 10 friends

 

[mikeymikec]

Do you think a male rape victim won't feel greater shame?

I don't think it's as simple as you put it, and I think the fact that you can make such a statement shows how little insight you have on the topic.

Human beings can react to different forms of trauma (emotional/physical) in many different ways. It would also very likely depend on the source of that trauma, for example in the scenario of rape, if the rapist is someone known to the victim or not. There are loads of factors to be taken into account (e.g. the victim's age, relationship status/history, emotional stability, ego, people they can turn to for support, etc) so I wouldn't presume to make such bold statements as you do, especially when I consider the likelihood of you having no actual experience or knowledge regarding this topic.

Furthermore, I would guess that the most skilled/experienced psychologists who specialise on the topic of rape and how victims deal with the experience could write 50-page essays on the topic, citing peer-reviewed sources throughout, and still they wouldn't come to the sorts of conclusions that you're drawing.

 

[Murloc]

the whole "hunt down" stuff seems internet bad ass stuff to me.
I mean, you were raped so you just decide to spend the rest of your life in prison?

 

[nehalem256]

I don't think it's as simple as you put it, and I think the fact that you can make such a statement shows how little insight you have on the topic.

Human beings can react to different forms of trauma (emotional/physical) in many different ways. It would also very likely depend on the source of that trauma, for example in the scenario of rape, if the rapist is someone known to the victim or not. There are loads of factors to be taken into account (e.g. the victim's age, relationship status/history, emotional stability, ego, people they can turn to for support, etc) so I wouldn't presume to make such bold statements as you do, especially when I consider the likelihood of you having no actual experience or knowledge regarding this topic.

(1) For sake of discussion it should have been clear we were talking about an "average" case. Not arguing that every rape of a man is worse than every rape of a woman.

(2) My response was to the idea that even considering that a man being rape was worse than a woman being raped is crazy. I think I did a decent 30 second job of showing why it might be reasonable.

Furthermore, I would guess that the most skilled/experienced psychologists who specialise on the topic of rape and how victims deal with the experience could write 50-page essays on the topic, citing peer-reviewed sources throughout, and still they wouldn't come to the sorts of conclusions that you're drawing.

Do you have any rational basis for appealing to what "most skilled/experienced psychologists" would think? Or are you just trying to dress up the fact you have no real argument against what I said by appealing to authority?

Are you perhaps afraid that what I said is reasonable it might break the feminist strangle-hold on rape?

 

[mikeymikec]

(1) For sake of discussion it should have been clear we were talking about an "average" case. Not arguing that every rape of a man is worse than every rape of a woman.

Now you know what an "average" rape case is. I've been trying to get through to you that you really don't know what you're talking about. Let's say for example, one category of rape is by someone that the victim knows, and the 'opposite' type is by someone not known by the victim. These are two extremely different cases in just about every facet, except that sexual intercourse was involved. To claim they're the same thing in terms of how much it might affect the "average" victim (cue another paragraph of criticism) is like comparing someone getting killed in self-defence to a serial murder spree.

(2) My response was to the idea that even considering that a man being rape was worse than a woman being raped is crazy. I think I did a decent 30 second job of showing why it might be reasonable.

I don't think you did, for the reasons I already stated.

Do you have any rational basis for appealing to what "most skilled/experienced psychologists" would think?

Actually, I said "the most skilled..". Yes, I would listen to someone who has more experience than I do on a given topic. That's how a rational person learns.

Or are you just trying to dress up the fact you have no real argument against what I said by appealing to authority?

I stated my points, you appear to have largely ignored them.

Are you perhaps afraid that what I said is reasonable it might break the feminist strangle-hold on rape?

LOL. I'm sorry, it's difficult to take you seriously. Do you say this sort of thing with a straight face in person to other people?

 

[nehalem256]

Now you know what an "average" rape case is. I've been trying to get through to you that you really don't know what you're talking about. Let's say for example, one category of rape is by someone that the victim knows, and the 'opposite' type is by someone not known by the victim. These are two extremely different cases in just about every facet, except that sexual intercourse was involved. To claim they're the same thing in terms of how much it might affect the "average" victim (cue another paragraph of criticism) is like comparing someone getting killed in self-defence to a serial murder spree.

No its like saying that getting shot in the head is worse than getting shot in the leg. And then listening to people say:

"Gunshot wounds are gunshot wounds" or

"Are you saying that someone who gets shot in the leg gets something positive out of the experience.

Actually, I said "the most skilled..". Yes, I would listen to someone who has more experience than I do on a given topic. That's how a rational person learns.

Except you didn't provide any evidence about what skilled psychologists think. You just state you were sure they would disagree with me.

Basically you were using a veiled way to say I was wrong, but since just saying that is ineffective you had to appeal to authority.

I stated my points, you appear to have largely ignored them.

Your point appears to be that you are incapable of thinking critically about rape.

 

[mikeymikec]

Except you didn't provide any evidence about what skilled psychologists think. You just state you were sure they would disagree with me.

You are the one making sweeping statements. It's your job to come up with evidence to support your deluded beliefs.

Your point appears to be that you are incapable of thinking critically about rape.

Let me see, you think that a male rape victim will feel more shame than a female rape victim because the man should have been able to protect himself.

You believe that there's an "average rape scenario" with which you can tie your point to. You haven't yet outlined this scenario, but hey.

You believe that "the feminists have a strangle-hold on rape".

I'm missing your ability to think critically here.

I've tried to point out the absurdity to your arguments, here for example where I feel I did a good enough job of debunking your idea of an "average rape scenario".

I'll take you up on one of your first arguments despite its absurdity, why shouldn't a woman feel just as "shamed" as you put it (wrong word IMO) that she wasn't able to defend herself? I think you have a view of humanity which an effective caricature would be a caveman with a club over one shoulder and dragging his woman back to his home with the other hand, which is pretty out-dated considering that women can work, they have the vote, and in most respects they have equal rights to men in most Western cultures.

If you want to bring shame into it, I can imagine a male rape victim in some small-town culture feeling like he could have done more to prevent it, but I can imagine a woman feeling the same thing considering the amount of crap that gets thrown up when a woman has been raped: Did she invite it at all, was she dressing provocatively, did she walk home alone, did she drink too much, etc. A female rape victim is probably a heck of a lot more likely to be put under the moral microscope (as well as being pre-judged and the shame that comes with that) than a male victim.

 

[fskimospy]

Gee, I never would have expected that nehalem would turn this to his favorite topic yet again.

 

[nehalem256]

You are the one making sweeping statements. It's your job to come up with evidence to support your deluded beliefs.



Let me see, you think that a male rape victim will feel more shame than a female rape victim because the man should have been able to protect himself.

You believe that there's an "average rape scenario" with which you can tie your point to. You haven't yet outlined this scenario, but hey.

Average as in as close as apples to apples comparison as can be done. For instance comparing say a girl's father raping her to an quittance raping a guy would not be a fair comparison.

You believe that "the feminists have a strangle-hold on rape".

I'm missing your ability to think critically here.

I've tried to point out the absurdity to your arguments, here for example where I feel I did a good enough job of debunking your idea of an "average rape scenario".

You debunked nothing. Basically you are saying that the fact I didn't write a 50 page dissertation on the subject means my point is invalid.

I never claimed that the only thing that would effect the severity of a rape was where it was done to a male or female.

In fact going by the fact that I ended my original post with:

Just throwing that out there.

It should be pretty clear I was never intending to have my post be taken as the end all and be all of the subject.

I'll take you up on one of your first arguments despite its absurdity, why shouldn't a woman feel just as "shamed" as you put it (wrong word IMO) that she wasn't able to defend herself?

Because a woman is not as strong as a man?

I think you have a view of humanity which an effective caricature would be a caveman with a club over one shoulder and dragging his woman back to his home with the other hand, which is pretty out-dated considering that women can work, they have the vote, and in most respects they have equal rights to men in most Western cultures.

If you want to bring shame into it, I can imagine a male rape victim in some small-town culture feeling like he could have done more to prevent it, but I can imagine a woman feeling the same thing considering the amount of crap that gets thrown up when a woman has been raped: Did she invite it at all, was she dressing provocatively, did she walk home alone, did she drink too much, etc. A female rape victim is probably a heck of a lot more likely to be put under the moral microscope (as well as being pre-judged and the shame that comes with that) than a male victim.

Congratulations you finally managed to make a thoughtful post on the subject :thumbsup:

 

[desura]

Think of it like murder. Murder, the victim is dead either way. But, we punish different murders by the actions and intent of the perpetrator. So we treat premediated murder more harshly than say, a robber killing a storekeeper who resists him during a robbery.

I don't think it's internet tough guy talk to wonder why male victims don't get revenge. I've laid out a variety of factors: knowing who the person is and what routines he likely has, having weapons training, at least knowing where arms are stored. Meanwhile, there are a number of factors which prevent victims from getting revenge in other rapes.

 

[Newbian]