Most people think the U.S. crime rate is rising. They're wrong.

[HomerJS]

IMHO: The mindset that thinks crime is up in 2023 is the same mindset that says the US economy white their own personal circumstances and their community are good.

I'm going to sound like a paranoid right winger, but I blame the media. Bad news sells. Good news gets the last block on MSM news segments. At the same time the Fox News right wing media infrastructure plays any crime they find on a 24x7 loop so their people are conditioned to believe the opposite of reality.

Most people think the U.S. crime rate is rising. They're wrong.

Almost 80 percent of Americans, and 92 percent of Republicans, think crime has gone up. It actually fell in 2023. An expert blames a familiar culprit for the mistaken impression.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Brainonska511]

It's all about the vibes.

 

[K1052]

Some boomer family members who live in Chicago keep telling me about the "riots" they are having. They're talking about the Floyd protests....from 2020. They also tell me that crime in the city is worse than the 90s which is laughably objectively false.

Obviously ardent Fox News watchers as well.

 

[VashHT]

Some boomer family members who live in Chicago keep telling me about the "riots" they are having. They're talking about the Floyd protests....from 2020. They also tell me that crime in the city is worse than the 90s which is laughably objectively false.

Obviously ardent Fox News watchers as well.

When I told my mom I was going down to Chicago about a month ago (had to pick up some beer), she told me to watch out because druggies are everywhere shooting people. Funny thing was this was a Sunday and I had been down there both Friday and Saturday too. My wife and I go down there a lot and have managed not to get shot by "druggies"/ She also told me every store on Michigan Ave is getting smash and grabbed on a daily basis which I told her was bs. In case it isn't obvious she's a massive trumper and is totally brainwashed.

 

[K1052]

When I told my mom I was going down to Chicago about a month ago (had to pick up some beer), she told me to watch out because druggies are everywhere shooting people. Funny thing was this was a Sunday and I had been down there both Friday and Saturday too. My wife and I go down there a lot and have managed not to get shot by "druggies"/ She also told me every store on Michigan Ave is getting smash and grabbed on a daily basis which I told her was bs. In case it isn't obvious she's a massive trumper and is totally brainwashed.

My relatives live in the Gold Coast and the most dangerous thing they have to contend with is the long running epidemic of expensive mediocre restaurants.

 

[thilanliyan]

But muh feels!!

 

[GettyRoad]

It's how people feel, crime statistics may show it, but it is how people feel.......

 

[brycejones]

It's how people feel, crime statistics may show it, but it is how people feel.......

It's the lie that people have been fed by media outlets looking for eyeballs.

 

[fskimospy]

It's how people feel, crime statistics may show it, but it is how people feel.......

Yes, that is the point. People believe insane things primarily due to bad media narratives chasing clicks or morons like Eric Adams.

I mean the whole idea that crime is super high is just laughable to anyone even remotely in touch with reality.

 

[Zorba]

It's amazing that even though right wing media had pretty low direct penetration is drives the entire narrative and "vibes." I think polls also affect vibes, so now that nearly all Republicans will answer every poll negatively when there is a democratic president, it creates a feedback loop.

That being said, even prior to Trump, people thought it was more dangerous than in the 90s. I personally blame the blood chasing local news reporting on every minor incident they can find and pitching it like it's widespread. Same thing they do with sensational weather reporting, which has gotten more people killed around here than saved.

Before we went to NYC in 2021, a coworker told my wife to not wear her purse or wedding rings there (her ring is what I bought her in college, not a super impressive ring). She showed him that the crime around his house in the burbs was 4x Manhattan and it didn't even phase him. Same guy goes to San Antonio for work a lot and is afraid to walk around the Riverwalk, much less the streets. He was shocked when I told him I ran 7 miles down the river trail through town, couldn't believe I made out alive.

 

[fskimospy]

It's amazing that even though right wing media had pretty low direct penetration is drives the entire narrative and "vibes." I think polls also affect vibes, so now that nearly all Republicans will answer every poll negatively when there is a democratic president, it creates a feedback loop.

That being said, even prior to Trump, people thought it was more dangerous than in the 90s. I personally blame the blood chasing local news reporting on every minor incident they can find and pitching it like it's widespread. Same thing they do with sensational weather reporting, which has gotten more people killed around here than saved.

Before we went to NYC in 2021, a coworker told my wife to not wear her purse or wedding rings there (her ring is what I bought her in college, not a super impressive ring). She showed that the crime around his house in the burbs was 4x Manhattan and it didn't even phase him. Same guy goes to San Antonio for work a lot and is afraid to walk around the Riverwalk, much less the streets. He was shocked when I told him I ran 7 miles down the river trail through town, couldn't believe I made out alive.

It's also the result of conservatives relentlessly working the media for decades.

For example under Trump crime, especially violent crime, surged. Under Biden it's dramatically decreased. I think if you asked a lot of people they would claim the opposite has happened.

 

[GettyRoad]

It's the lie that people have been fed by media outlets looking for eyeballs.

Media and police statistics are supposed to tell the truth....places like Chicago, Philly don't feel so safe all the time....

NYC is better today than it was in 1990, but still, some areas don't feel safe, regardless of racial makeup.

 

[GettyRoad]

It's also the result of conservatives relentlessly working the media for decades.

For example under Trump crime, especially violent crime, surged. Under Biden it's dramatically decreased. I think if you asked a lot of people they would claim the opposite has happened.

Cops don't feel that way, and a lot of them will be at the RNC in Milwaukee this summer campaigning for him.

 

[K1052]

Yes, that is the point. People believe insane things primarily due to bad media narratives chasing clicks or morons like Eric Adams.

I mean the whole idea that crime is super high is just laughable to anyone even remotely in touch with reality.

Still mystified by the "everything is horrible and I'm in charge" strategy for re-election Adams is using.

 

[fskimospy]

Cops don't feel that way, and a lot of them will be at the RNC in Milwaukee this summer campaigning for him.

Well then the cops are also insane, or more likely have allowed their partisanship to make them insane.

I'm not sure what you think 'cops believe demonstrably false things' says about crime other than they are stupid or crazy.

Media and police statistics are supposed to tell the truth....places like Chicago, Philly don't feel so safe all the time....

I love how when crime goes up people point to the stats and say 'see how crime is going up!?' but when it goes down they say 'the stats are faked!'.

Regardless, this is easily shown just through the murder rate. You can't hide dead bodies, and murder rates are way down. People need to live in reality.

NYC is better today than it was in 1990, but still, some areas don't feel safe, regardless of racial makeup.

Why are you so obsessed with race?

 

[Zorba]

Media and police statistics are supposed to tell the truth....places like Chicago, Philly don't feel so safe all the time....

NYC is better today than it was in 1990, but still, some areas don't feel safe, regardless of racial makeup.

Why do you interject race into everything?

 

[mikeymikec]

Crime is rising in US politics.

In other news, GettyRoad sounds like Trump signed up to AT.

"People are saying..."
"My feelings matter more than facts"

 

[Drach]

GettyRoad injects race into every post he makes. Just ignore him like your racist great uncle.​

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

I used to be able to find the exact numbers and years, but less able to now.

Detroit's homicide rate in the 70s used to be routinely in the 7-900 range. More recently, 3-500 is common.

Don't quote me on those numbers, but they are as I recall them.


Recent articles:

Detroit records 252 homicides in 2023, lowest since 1966 - The Detroit News​

2 days ago Detroit — The city recorded 252 homicides last year — its lowest total since 1966 — while nonfatal shootings declined for the fourth straight year, according to preliminary statistics released...

Detroit homicide numbers hit record low: Here's why - ClickOnDetroit​

Dec 5, 2023 Homicides, shootings, carjackings down in 2023. Detroit Police Cruiser (WDIV) DETROIT - The number of certain violent crimes has significantly dropped in Detroit this year. In fact, some of the ...


Population dropped significantly for a while, but has begun to rebound.

 

[GettyRoad]

Well then the cops are also insane, or more likely have allowed their partisanship to make them insane.

I'm not sure what you think 'cops believe demonstrably false things' says about crime other than they are stupid or crazy.

I love how when crime goes up people point to the stats and say 'see how crime is going up!?' but when it goes down they say 'the stats are faked!'.

Regardless, this is easily shown just through the murder rate. You can't hide dead bodies, and murder rates are way down. People need to live in reality.

Why are you so obsessed with race?

They don't feel Democrats are addressing crime in urban minority areas the way they want it to, with aggressive crime fighting and they feel Dems and BLM are dividing them from connecting with the communities.

 

[GettyRoad]

Crime is rising in US politics.

In other news, GettyRoad sounds like Trump signed up to AT.

"People are saying..."
"My feelings matter more than facts"

People don't feel the economy is doing well, hence why Republicans are leading in the polls.
People didn't feel crime go down in 1993, hence why Rudy Giuliani won in NYC.

Facts don't care about feelings, true, but people feel like this.

 

[Vic]

Yes, that is the point. People believe insane things primarily due to bad media narratives chasing clicks or morons like Eric Adams.

I mean the whole idea that crime is super high is just laughable to anyone even remotely in touch with reality.

The hidden truth behind it all is that they're mad that cops can no longer get away with lynching black men (and other "undesitables") in the streets.

 

[Vic]

People don't feel the economy is doing well, hence why Republicans are leading in the polls.
People didn't feel crime go down in 1993, hence why Rudy Giuliani won in NYC.

Facts don't care about feelings, true, but people feel like this.

Why should the Republicans get any credit for the economy when they're the ones who tank it every time with their pump and dump ponzi schemes? First the housing bust then crypto and the pandemic loose monetary policies. Republicans pump up the economy so they get rich then dump it so Democrats take the blame.
Your argument for feels is just apologizing for media lies. People feel like that, as you describe, because they're gullible and believe the media.

 

[mikeymikec]

People don't feel the economy is doing well, hence why Republicans are leading in the polls.
People didn't feel crime go down in 1993, hence why Rudy Giuliani won in NYC.

Facts don't care about feelings, true, but people feel like this.

I was going to post this in the P&N humour thread, but it was relevant here:

 

[brycejones]

Media and police statistics are supposed to tell the truth....places like Chicago, Philly don't feel so safe all the time....

NYC is better today than it was in 1990, but still, some areas don't feel safe, regardless of racial makeup.

Maybe you should extract your head from you ass.