Most over rated fan boi car?

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
I :heart: this thread so much.

And in for Civic++

LOL, I should title my next thread "What Model Car Owners Have the Smallest Penis?"

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
I :heart: this thread so much.

And in for Civic++

LOL, I should title my next thread "What Model Car Owners Have the Smallest Penis?"

:thumbsup::laugh: That would be excellent!

 

[sindows]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
I :heart: this thread so much.

And in for Civic++

LOL, I should title my next thread "What Model Car Owners Have the Smallest Penis?"

Anyone who drives a Hummer. /future thread

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: daveymark
civics, with nissan 240's a close 2nd

Don't know how you can say 240's, there are not much of them really out there.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: wasssup
I only agree to an extent. Ricers who drag race Civics are morons, but Civics are actually pretty damn good in the corners..

If all you've ever driven is economy cars, sure.

Compare them to real sports cars, and they look pathetic.

I had a gen 6 Civic 1.6 VTi (Type R essentially, but UK naming was VTi until Gen 7) back in '99 and with it's spring rates and front strut brace it had stunning cornering ability.

I'll just go ahead and assume you've not driven one.

I may not have driven a VTi, but I have driven plenty of other civics and a friend of mine owns a Si. Yes, they are awesome in the corners for economy cars. But they simply DO NOT corner like real sports cars. Mind you, for the price you pay for real sports cars you had BETTER hope they can out-handle a Civic.

The Si does an amazing job at eliminating most of the massive disadvantages of a FF layout, but it's still WWD and the weight distribution isn't that good. Sure, piles of drivers probably won't be able to tell the difference. But that's not what this discussion is about, now is it?

 

[alkemyst]

so what you driving jagec?

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
so what you driving jagec?

1989 Toyota MR2.

Yes, it's underpowered, but it's a fun little go-kart and corner carver, hard to beat for $2k.

 

[alkemyst]

also double wish bone vs macpherson doesn't really have a clear winner in practice.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: wasssup
I only agree to an extent. Ricers who drag race Civics are morons, but Civics are actually pretty damn good in the corners..

Oh yeah those mcpherson struts are amazing... :roll:
Civic is a freaking econobox designed to be an econobox.

An M3 CSL has McPherson struts.

Ha yeah with 5 degree negative camber so that the tires have full contact since you're taking all corners at 1.3Gs

It's not impossible to adjust the camber on a Civic, either, so your argument is meaningless.

Yeah your modded FWD civic will be great with -5 degrees camber or hit 1.3Gs for that matter ...hello understreer:roll:

I didn't say anything about my Civic (which has double wishbones all around) - but what you said before is irrelevant. How angry are you, btw?

Your Civic has McPherson struts at the front.

'99 Si?

 

[alkemyst]

damn I think Howard is proven it goes to Civic owners.

Was I right about $300 being enough to get a B16 up to F-1 standards and still turn 36mpg city?

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: alkemyst
so what you driving jagec?

1989 Toyota MR2.

Yes, it's underpowered, but it's a fun little go-kart and corner carver, hard to beat for $2k.

so that's what you drive, yet have had all this experience behind the wheel of all those cars?

I doubt it and if so, doubt any critical driving was done doing it.

Were you a valet or something?

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: alkemyst
so what you driving jagec?

1989 Toyota MR2.

Yes, it's underpowered, but it's a fun little go-kart and corner carver, hard to beat for $2k.

so that's what you drive, yet have had all this experience behind the wheel of all those cars?

I doubt it and if so, doubt any critical driving was done doing it.

Were you a valet or something?

All what cars? You don't have to drive too many good-handling vehicles to tell that they can outmaneuver a Civic. I never claimed I was a test driver for Ferrari or anything.

All my claims require is that I have driven (a)A few flavors of Civic (I have) (b)FF, FR, MR, and AWD cars aggressively enough to tell the difference (I have, quite a bit) and (c)Any sports car with decent handling (I have, several).

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
damn I think Howard is proven it goes to Civic owners.

Was I right about $300 being enough to get a B16 up to F-1 standards and still turn 36mpg city?

My Civic doesn't handle particularly well. And the mileage is only about 30mpg. I'm just trying to get the facts straight.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: alkemyst
so what you driving jagec?

1989 Toyota MR2.

Yes, it's underpowered, but it's a fun little go-kart and corner carver, hard to beat for $2k.

so that's what you drive, yet have had all this experience behind the wheel of all those cars?

I doubt it and if so, doubt any critical driving was done doing it.

Were you a valet or something?

All what cars? You don't have to drive too many good-handling vehicles to tell that they can outmaneuver a Civic. I never claimed I was a test driver for Ferrari or anything.

All my claims require is that I have driven (a)A few flavors of Civic (I have) (b)FF, FR, MR, and AWD cars aggressively enough to tell the difference (I have, quite a bit) and (c)Any sports car with decent handling (I have, several).

ahh so valet was it?

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: wasssup
I only agree to an extent. Ricers who drag race Civics are morons, but Civics are actually pretty damn good in the corners..

Oh yeah those mcpherson struts are amazing... :roll:
Civic is a freaking econobox designed to be an econobox.

An M3 CSL has McPherson struts.

Ha yeah with 5 degree negative camber so that the tires have full contact since you're taking all corners at 1.3Gs

It's not impossible to adjust the camber on a Civic, either, so your argument is meaningless.

Yeah your modded FWD civic will be great with -5 degrees camber or hit 1.3Gs for that matter ...hello understreer:roll:

I didn't say anything about my Civic (which has double wishbones all around) - but what you said before is irrelevant. How angry are you, btw?

Your Civic has McPherson struts at the front.

'99 Si?

Oops! No, you DO have double wishbones all round!

My '91 1.6i-16 had them too. Was a great handling car.

 

[LS21]

BMWs by far. overpriced and especially overrated. people who think bmws have magical steering and magical transmission and magical handling.. have not driven anything but camrys and accords

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: LS21
BMWs by far. overpriced and especially overrated. people who think bmws have magical steering and magical transmission and magical handling.. have not driven anything but camrys and accords

They don't have magical steering or handling, but it's pretty much invariably best-in-class, and BMWs offer a combination of excellent turn-in and handling with a compliant ride that really is impressive IMO. The transmissions are a mixed bag, but they are always at least good (and it's interesting that one of the best competitors in manual shift feel on the market, Honda/Acura, has HUGE transmission reliability problems - even many cars produced within the past year are subject to a TSB that calls for a tranny rebuild because they pop out of third).

Just by way of illustration, what better-handling, comparably-sized car is there compared to a 3 series? (And the same question would have yielded the same answer 5 years ago, 10 years ago, etc - there isn't one.) Same question as to the 5 series and 7 series, and again there isn't a competitive car with better handling.

 

[Ns1]

^^

Concur

<3 bmw's.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: halik
skyline

What's over rated about the Skyline range? The R32 generation was a defining moment in Japanese performance cars and introduced some fantastic technology. Everything since has been legendary, up to the current generation which is causing more waves than any before it.

OMGSSSARRTHIRTYYYY...oohhh...ohhhh...im gonna come...TWO?
People pass it off as a jesus of all cars... what fantastic technology did it introduce? AWD? Turbo straght 6?

Hell 3000GT VR4 had more technology gadgets than skyline.

Technology isn't always about gadgets.

Most serious car guys will not say crap about the Skyline GT-R. The platform can be pretty easily made to smoke SUPERBIKES and still be a daily driver. It's an insane car.

edit to denote GT-R is the skyline that's the monster. To many post up GT and GTS-T or even skyline sedan specs.

Smoke superbikes? In the corners maybe... liter bike will cracks 0-60 under 3 seconds. Supercars have trouble keeping up with sportbikes.

This exactly why i said it's overrated. Ricebois think that a skyline and a BFT (big f turbo) will outrun everything on the road.

Yes. R32/33/34s modded to 800+hp regularly throw down sub-10s on the quarter, and sub-3s to 60. Drag bikes that are stretched and with a wheelie stub can beat that, but it's not exactly a streetable setup.

That said, Skylines are incredibly rare here, and even more rare to see one modded to insane levels like that. A $10k bike will toast a $100k car almost every time in an old-school drag race.

Please don't compare cars to motorcycles in straight-line performance, you are only pwning yourself.
A stock Hayabusa will do 9.8 seconds at 145 mph in the quarter mile, with a top speed of about 190mph. 0-100 mph in 5.3 seconds. With no wheelie bar.
This is a stock motorcycle which retails for about $12K.
People put turbos on Hayabusas, and regularly get 400-500hp. I think someone reached 700 hp this year....on a motorcycle!

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: halik
skyline

What's over rated about the Skyline range? The R32 generation was a defining moment in Japanese performance cars and introduced some fantastic technology. Everything since has been legendary, up to the current generation which is causing more waves than any before it.

OMGSSSARRTHIRTYYYY...oohhh...ohhhh...im gonna come...TWO?
People pass it off as a jesus of all cars... what fantastic technology did it introduce? AWD? Turbo straght 6?

Hell 3000GT VR4 had more technology gadgets than skyline.

Technology isn't always about gadgets.

Most serious car guys will not say crap about the Skyline GT-R. The platform can be pretty easily made to smoke SUPERBIKES and still be a daily driver. It's an insane car.

edit to denote GT-R is the skyline that's the monster. To many post up GT and GTS-T or even skyline sedan specs.

Smoke superbikes? In the corners maybe... liter bike will cracks 0-60 under 3 seconds. Supercars have trouble keeping up with sportbikes.

This exactly why i said it's overrated. Ricebois think that a skyline and a BFT (big f turbo) will outrun everything on the road.

Yes. R32/33/34s modded to 800+hp regularly throw down sub-10s on the quarter, and sub-3s to 60. Drag bikes that are stretched and with a wheelie stub can beat that, but it's not exactly a streetable setup.

That said, Skylines are incredibly rare here, and even more rare to see one modded to insane levels like that. A $10k bike will toast a $100k car almost every time in an old-school drag race.

Please don't compare cars to motorcycles in straight-line performance, you are only pwning yourself.
A stock Hayabusa will do 9.8 seconds at 145 mph in the quarter mile, with a top speed of about 190mph. 0-100 mph in 5.3 seconds. With no wheelie bar.
This is a stock motorcycle which retails for about $12K.
People put turbos on Hayabusas, and regularly get 400-500hp. I think someone reached 700 hp this year....on a motorcycle!

That's pretty much the limit for motorcycle performance in a streetable way though. Those 400-500hp Busas aren't putting down much better on the 1/4, but are much faster in the 60-200 mph sprint.

Skylines are in the 7s at the high end, and 8s are all day long with the right setup. Trap speed over 180mph.

http://www.racingflix.com/getvideo.asp?v=306&p=4

 

[Arkaign]

This : http://www.robinsonindustriesinc.com/index.html

World's first 6-second hayabusa, notice anything special about the setup? 🙂

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Please don't compare cars to motorcycles in straight-line performance, you are only pwning yourself.
A stock Hayabusa will do 9.8 seconds at 145 mph in the quarter mile, with a top speed of about 190mph. 0-100 mph in 5.3 seconds. With no wheelie bar.
This is a stock motorcycle which retails for about $12K.
People put turbos on Hayabusas, and regularly get 400-500hp. I think someone reached 700 hp this year....on a motorcycle!

I doubt you have ever ridden a serious street bike posting this.

The 1/4 mile time of that 700HP one without a serious drag bar is probably all over the chart.

Ultimately the motorcycle could win in any straight line race over distance, but the Skyline would still offer the most overall performance for nearer destinations.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone

Originally posted by: LS21
BMWs by far. overpriced and especially overrated. people who think bmws have magical steering and magical transmission and magical handling.. have not driven anything but camrys and accords

They don't have magical steering or handling, but it's pretty much invariably best-in-class, and BMWs offer a combination of excellent turn-in and handling with a compliant ride that really is impressive IMO. The transmissions are a mixed bag, but they are always at least good (and it's interesting that one of the best competitors in manual shift feel on the market, Honda/Acura, has HUGE transmission reliability problems - even many cars produced within the past year are subject to a TSB that calls for a tranny rebuild because they pop out of third).

Just by way of illustration, what better-handling, comparably-sized car is there compared to a 3 series? (And the same question would have yielded the same answer 5 years ago, 10 years ago, etc - there isn't one.) Same question as to the 5 series and 7 series, and again there isn't a competitive car with better handling.

Are you trolling or serious?

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Oops! No, you DO have double wishbones all round!

My '91 1.6i-16 had them too. Was a great handling car.

double wishbone is not necessarily better than a strut setup.

 

[Dman877]

I don't really understand this thread. What do you mean by over-rated? Do you mean the people that drive them think they're driving something a lot better? Honestly, I think the answer to that has a lot less to do with the car and more to do with the drivers. Put a rice boy in any car and they're gonna rice it up and think it's phat. It just so happens that most ricers aren't rich (as they are a cross-section of society and most of society isn't rich) so they usually have economy and midsize cars from value brands.

Now, since it seems to have been agreed that civics handle well FOR AN ECONOMY CAR, doesn't it make sense to buy one and rice it instead of say... a kia?

Every cheap car with any pretense at being sporty is eligible for this award. That means Scions, Cobalts, Civics, Golfs, Celicas, Eclipses, Lancers, hell, I've seen Ford Escorts riced up. The Corolla S? (ooh, body kit, that makes it twice as fast)