most horrible programs (which you wont suspect at first)

[nweaver]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: igowerf
I don't understand these complaints about bloat. If you want your system super lean, then just stick to some command line OS. If you want fancy features, then it's going to take up some memory. Letting a program take up 50MB of RAM and some of your CPU cycles from your uber-tweaked, overclocked system with 1GB+ of RAM is NOT going to slow down your system. It's not like software will permanently eat up your hardware either, so why all the conservation?

A lot of people claim WMP is bloated, but it takes less than 20MB on my system while playing an mp3 and running a visualization. If I choose a leaner skin and no visualization, it goes down below 10MB. Even foobar takes up about 13MB when running. Running any software will use up some of your precious RAM and CPU cycles. Just use your damn systems instead of staring at the task manager all day.

Just because more resources are now available doesn't give programmers a license to create inefficient programs to hog up any advantages that we've gained from new hardware. We buy new hardware because we want our machines to be faster, not so programmers can't bloat up simple applications and still have their sloppy code executed.

Why does about every single commercial program in existence now seem to think that since you're installing it that your computer must revolve around it? Every program seems to want to install some sort of task bar memory resident loader or special updater. Antivirus from norton and mcafee digs its heels into the file system and tons of other places that you really don't need it. When I download an MP3 player or something I don't need it to load in memory on startup or connect to the internet to inform me of updates and news. I just want it to shut the fvck up and run mp3s when I ask it too.

Norton/Mcaee are pretty bad, Acrobat uses way to many resources for what is a pretty simple application. Windows XP struggles to try and ruin the relatively good design set forth by 2K.

Quicktime is bad too. Bloatus Bloats (Lotus Notes) is probably my personal biggest one.

If you want "Leet low end programs" install Windows 95 and doom. You can't have new programs, with new features and options, updated graphics, etc without ALSO adding to the resources required to run it.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: nweaver

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: igowerf
I don't understand these complaints about bloat. If you want your system super lean, then just stick to some command line OS. If you want fancy features, then it's going to take up some memory. Letting a program take up 50MB of RAM and some of your CPU cycles from your uber-tweaked, overclocked system with 1GB+ of RAM is NOT going to slow down your system. It's not like software will permanently eat up your hardware either, so why all the conservation?

A lot of people claim WMP is bloated, but it takes less than 20MB on my system while playing an mp3 and running a visualization. If I choose a leaner skin and no visualization, it goes down below 10MB. Even foobar takes up about 13MB when running. Running any software will use up some of your precious RAM and CPU cycles. Just use your damn systems instead of staring at the task manager all day.

Just because more resources are now available doesn't give programmers a license to create inefficient programs to hog up any advantages that we've gained from new hardware. We buy new hardware because we want our machines to be faster, not so programmers can't bloat up simple applications and still have their sloppy code executed.

Why does about every single commercial program in existence now seem to think that since you're installing it that your computer must revolve around it? Every program seems to want to install some sort of task bar memory resident loader or special updater. Antivirus from norton and mcafee digs its heels into the file system and tons of other places that you really don't need it. When I download an MP3 player or something I don't need it to load in memory on startup or connect to the internet to inform me of updates and news. I just want it to shut the fvck up and run mp3s when I ask it too.

Norton/Mcaee are pretty bad, Acrobat uses way to many resources for what is a pretty simple application. Windows XP struggles to try and ruin the relatively good design set forth by 2K.

Quicktime is bad too. Bloatus Bloats (Lotus Notes) is probably my personal biggest one.

If you want "Leet low end programs" install Windows 95 and doom. You can't have new programs, with new features and options, updated graphics, etc without ALSO adding to the resources required to run it.

So I assume you feel Acrobat 6 was an efficiently programmed application whose load times were totally acceptable? Or that quicktime loading at windows start is a useful function that makes your computing experience better? Afterall, the first thing you do when you boot your computer is load up some quicktime files right? Or load a PDF?

I don't remember asking for "leet low end programs" its just that a text editor shouldn't load at startup because its just a text editor. I didn't build my computer to run wordpad, or quicktime or acrobat all day.

 

[Xyclone]

Originally posted by: hatim
Im having no problems with Kaspersky?

Same, I love it.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: xtknight
resident spyware blocker.

SpywareBlaster (prevents tracking cookies in IE and FF) as well as other spyware, you need only to keep it updated, enable all protection, and then close the application, all of it is passive and prevents the tracking cookies and spyware applictions in its database from ever installing, no system resources used, except for a few mb of HD space.

SpywareBlaster does not need to remain running in the background to enable protection, which means there are no extra processes running and using up your computer's memory and processor.

Originally posted by: xtknight
My hardware router serves as the ideal firewall.

Read This

I think they are talking about people who leave ports open and expose themselves via DMZ. There is no way you can just 'bypass' a NAT system unless there is a big bad bug in the router (no idea what they are talking about on that one). It just doesn't work that way. For worms like Sasser, etc, they probed a port. Routers discard all traffic to a port unless it was requested (opened already)/"port forwarded", or if you are in the demilitarized zone on your router. Since RPC (component affected by Sasser) doesn't listen on a port that BitTorrent uses, that port has no use to the attacker. I don't need stateful packet inspection to be protected on the inbound. For outbound traffic, knowledge is the best defense against any attacks. Most routers ("basic NAT") don't filter outbound traffic, which is probably why they are saying it is "NAT enough". However, I don't think it's the firewall's responsibility to filter what goes out from your network; it's yours.

The only problem I've had was with one deadly spyware in IE that I removed improperly and thus couldn't get in to Windows without it crashing- still that is not related to port attacks like Sasser- that's a hole through IE instead (which most routers can't prevent from happening, either.)

 

[JoPh]

Originally posted by: RedCOMET

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

* ANY Symantec product, be it

Ever used Symantec Antivirus Corporate Edition? It is actually pretty good.

I use it and love it.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: PingSpike
When I download an MP3 player or something I don't need it to load in memory on startup or connect to the internet to inform me of updates and news. I just want it to shut the fvck up and run mp3s when I ask it too.

Amen.

 

[flexy]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

* ANY Symantec product, be it

Ever used Symantec Antivirus Corporate Edition? It is actually pretty good.

ehr...stop right here. We have that running at work (some slow machine) and the rtvscan is mostly sitting there eating 98% of the CPU

Why do you think it's good ?

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: flexy

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

* ANY Symantec product, be it

Ever used Symantec Antivirus Corporate Edition? It is actually pretty good.

rtvscan is mostly sitting there eating 98% of the CPU

You should read this and fix it

Upgrading Norton AntiVirus Corporate Edition 7.61 client to Symantec AntiVirus Corporate Edition 8.0 causes Rtvscan.exe to run continuously at 99 percent CPU utilization

Situation:
You have upgraded a client from Norton AntiVirus Corporate Edition 7.61 to Symantec AntiVirus Corporate Edition 8.0. Rtvscan.exe now runs continuously at 99 percent CPU utilization.

Solution:
This happens if you chose to install the Norton AntiVirus Corporate Edition mail plug-in during the installation of Norton AntiVirus Corporate Edition 7.61, although neither Microsoft® Exchange nor Lotus Notes is installed. Upgrading to Symantec AntiVirus 8.0 does not upgrade the plug-ins, because the mail client is not installed.
This problem is fixed in Symantec AntiVirus 8.01, build 457. For information on obtaining the latest build of Symantec AntiVirus, read How to obtain an update or an upgrade for your Symantec corporate product.


If you do not want to upgrade to Symantec AntiVirus 8.01 or later, you can resolve this by manually removing the plug-in.

To remove the plug-in manually

1. Rename the following files (change the file to <name>.dll.old):
* nlnvp.dll
* notesext.dll
2. Restart the client.

 

[yukichigai]

Trillian 3.1, unfortunately. It used to be good but now its a system hog. Unfortunately it's the easiest way to get all 4 IM clients + IRC in one program. As long as it's not trying to reconnect or do its crappy visual stuff its fine, but man do you have to disable loads of bloatware in it first.

 

[shortylickens]

Originally posted by: RBachman
Quicktime, AOL

Sh1t! How about any of REAL Networks products?
Of course, since everything done in ram format sucks anyway, I guess its a moot point.

 

[flexy]

schadenfroh, well i wont fix this at my work since i am not an admin there nor have admin-rights whatsoever
Once they decide to hire me as one and pay me...well i am all up for it.

Btw. i am talking a HUGE corporate here...i wonder how many PCs in our company are actually affected by that problem.

I found a nice "workaround" though even under a user account and no admin access:
I just stop the Norton process

Anyway io really appreciate your helping lsits and everything...so i think you know your ***...and if you say that NAV corporate is good then i guess there mihht be something to it.

Right now i a have Antivir running and i am VERY pleased...and i was looking at everything else out there....just would be interested how you think NAV corp would compare to, say, Panda or Antivir etc.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: flexy
schadenfroh, well i wont fix this at my work since i am not an admin there nor have admin-rights whatsoever

Be sure to foward that article on symantec's site along with screenshots of your process viewer to your IT department.

 

[flexy]

(i meant i stop the service, cant kill the process of course)


Well...its' an idea with the forwarding..maybe i can impress someone ..

 

[imported_nocturne]

Originally posted by: SleepWalkerX
Well the worst program ever used to be Steam. They have improved it tremendously since before. But man did I go through hell just to play some counter-strike..

I STILL go through hell to play any Steam game, thanks to dialup. It hardly ever works in offline mode (about 1 out of every 4 updates :| )

My experience with Norton has always been bad, and has only gotten worse with each systemworks release. That crap software ruined both of my parents computers. All it does is hack the hell out of an OS to be able to work, and then leaves the wounds open to infection. It's pretty ridiculous when both of the computers had up-to-date virus definitions and had regular scanning and I found over 50,000 infected files.

All programs will bloat, in my experience. Beyond TV is great, but it bloats up to several hundred MB without doing anything. Kazaa used to really clog up my system too, whenever I had a bad DAT file.

Personally, I think Firefox bloats the worst out of my normal apps, but thats just my opinion.

 

[JBT]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

* ANY Symantec product, be it

Ever used Symantec Antivirus Corporate Edition? It is actually pretty good.

agreed. I havn't used it in awhile but it was great antivirus.

 

[Kadarin]

There are a couple that get me:

WinZip - Why the hell does this need a systray icon?
Quicktime - Same thing.. why does this need to be in the systray?
iTunes for Windows - The last time I installed this, it installed I think two separate services that I did not need.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
WinZip - Why the hell does this need a systray icon?

When installing it on a clients PC the other day, i was about to disable that tray icon, and he stopped me saying that he uses it a good deal, he likes being able to have easy access to it from his tray instead of having to go to the desktop:Q

Only one i have ever met.... I prefer 7zip myself, even tho i bought winzip 9 before i found it.

 

[makken]

If any of you have wireless, check out the Intel Proset software. 60MB footprint and 3 processes. too bad it's required for my notebook wireless button to work correctly.

And, although I love konfabulator, I wish it was done a little better.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Ever program I have uses my resources.

I didn't get the machine to run applications faster, I got it to have more free resources.

Not using a software firewall or antivirus software on your machine is stupid. Almost as stupid as using the admin account to play games. :roll:

 

[Red Squirrel]

Yeah I hate that how programs use resources... I'd like my cpu to always be at 100% idle, not 99% but 100%.

As for no AV and Firewall you can get away with that if you really know what you're doing (ex: proper gateway security) but personally I rather just install and maintain them to be extra safe. I look at it as an extra layer of security. Especially a firewall, since it lets you control outbound traffic in real time.

 

[videogames101]

Did any say WINDOWS yet? duh.....