most horrible programs (which you wont suspect at first)

[flexy]

i mean it's old news, but recently i was testing around....and i am THE HAPPIEST MAN on earth that i was able to UNINSTALL again:

* ANY Symantec product, be it
* Norton Ghost 9.0
* or ANY former PowerQuest/Norton product (except PM8.0) like NAV, Ghost9, DriveImage etc...

* KASPERKSY Antivirus

(LUV my Antivir PRO, would be way OT but there are many reasons i never liked KAV, its just TOO system intrusive, filesystem manipulative etc..)

I had Ghost9 installed and Kaspersky and you couldnt believe how slow my pretty much high-end PC got....

I also want to give an award to Symantec that they're able to butcher, BLOAT and rape any program, even programs which were GOOD before....and just looking at Ghost9 and how a simple program like Ghost now needs Net1.1 etc. and services running and stuff.....SHAKES HEAD.....

 

[bsobel]

and just looking at Ghost9 and how a simple program like Ghost now needs Net1.1 etc. and services running and stuff.....SHAKES HEAD.....

Yea, it's horrible how a former dos based program can now work from within windows taking snapshots backups and incrementals while the system is running. Horrible how that might need a service to work :roll:

 

[Schadenfroh]

* ANY Symantec product, be it

Ever used Symantec Antivirus Corporate Edition? It is actually pretty good.

 

[The Green Bean]

Norton

 

[Maximilian]

I read the title and the word "norton" just came right into my head.... I agree i hate symantec, norton and pretty much anything they make. Id rather have a virus every now n then than have a slow system constantly. Btw ive never ever had any kind of destructive virus on my system ever before... So i think symantec overestimate the risk of somone getting one.

 

[RedCOMET]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

* ANY Symantec product, be it

Ever used Symantec Antivirus Corporate Edition? It is actually pretty good.

I use it and love it.

 

[AiponGkooja]

I like AntiVir so far, but I have Norton 2005 on my system also. The subscription is expired, but I haven't gotten around to uninstalling it yet because it doesn't have a simple "uninstall" with it. Do I just go into add/remove programs, or is it going to be a little more involved to COMPLETELY get rid of Norton?

 

[CKent]

Quicktime, AOL

 

[xtknight]

Any antivirus or firewall or resident spyware blocker. I use none of them, and am damn proud of it. To be honest, I view those as training wheels. My hardware router serves as the ideal firewall.

 

[srygonic]

Oh... Ghost slows my computer? But I don't run it at bootup. Only when I need to reformat my computer. If this still slows my computer, can any of you guys reccomend a new backing up software I can use? Free preferably.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: xtknight
resident spyware blocker.

SpywareBlaster (prevents tracking cookies in IE and FF) as well as other spyware, you need only to keep it updated, enable all protection, and then close the application, all of it is passive and prevents the tracking cookies and spyware applictions in its database from ever installing, no system resources used, except for a few mb of HD space.

SpywareBlaster does not need to remain running in the background to enable protection, which means there are no extra processes running and using up your computer's memory and processor.

Originally posted by: xtknight
My hardware router serves as the ideal firewall.

Read This

 

[remagavon]

The creative bridge takes up almost 70mb depending on what it's doing in the background, I didn't notice that until I was closing processes once. (Versioncuecs2.exe)

 

[igowerf]

I don't understand these complaints about bloat. If you want your system super lean, then just stick to some command line OS. If you want fancy features, then it's going to take up some memory. Letting a program take up 50MB of RAM and some of your CPU cycles from your uber-tweaked, overclocked system with 1GB+ of RAM is NOT going to slow down your system. It's not like software will permanently eat up your hardware either, so why all the conservation?

A lot of people claim WMP is bloated, but it takes less than 20MB on my system while playing an mp3 and running a visualization. If I choose a leaner skin and no visualization, it goes down below 10MB. Even foobar takes up about 13MB when running. Running any software will use up some of your precious RAM and CPU cycles. Just use your damn systems instead of staring at the task manager all day.

 

[apoppin]

most horrible . . .

Windows

:roll:

some of us suspected - even at first . . .

 

[AiponGkooja]

Originally posted by: igowerf
I don't understand these complaints about bloat. If you want your system super lean, then just stick to some command line OS. If you want fancy features, then it's going to take up some memory. Letting a program take up 50MB of RAM and some of your CPU cycles from your uber-tweaked, overclocked system with 1GB+ of RAM is NOT going to slow down your system. It's not like software will permanently eat up your hardware either, so why all the conservation?

A lot of people claim WMP is bloated, but it takes less than 20MB on my system while playing an mp3 and running a visualization. If I choose a leaner skin and no visualization, it goes down below 10MB. Even foobar takes up about 13MB when running. Running any software will use up some of your precious RAM and CPU cycles. Just use your damn systems instead of staring at the task manager all day.

:thumbsup: But I'm still allowed to hate Norton, right?

 

[Hadsus]

Originally posted by: AiponGkooja
I like AntiVir so far, but I have Norton 2005 on my system also. The subscription is expired, but I haven't gotten around to uninstalling it yet because it doesn't have a simple "uninstall" with it. Do I just go into add/remove programs, or is it going to be a little more involved to COMPLETELY get rid of Norton?

I uninstalled my SystemWorks 2003 this week also because my antivirus subscription ended. I had no problems with add/remove programs and letting that uninstall it. There is at least three Norton related entries to delete (at least there was for me). But for some reason, when I go to remove LiveUpdate it tells me there are registered programs associated with it....I just can't find 'em. I sent a message to Norton support so we'll see what happens. Anyway, no problems with uninstalling. Antivir runs great and my system runs better too.

 

[SleepWalkerX]

Well the worst program ever used to be Steam. They have improved it tremendously since before. But man did I go through hell just to play some counter-strike..

 

[npoe1]

I hate QuickTime, but if you think that Norton AV is slow then you never have used McAfee that thing is slow.

 

[Chompman]

Originally posted by: apoppin
most horrible . . .

Windows

:roll:

some of us suspected - even at first . . .

Awww, stop reading my thoughts.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: igowerf
I don't understand these complaints about bloat. If you want your system super lean, then just stick to some command line OS. If you want fancy features, then it's going to take up some memory. Letting a program take up 50MB of RAM and some of your CPU cycles from your uber-tweaked, overclocked system with 1GB+ of RAM is NOT going to slow down your system. It's not like software will permanently eat up your hardware either, so why all the conservation?

A lot of people claim WMP is bloated, but it takes less than 20MB on my system while playing an mp3 and running a visualization. If I choose a leaner skin and no visualization, it goes down below 10MB. Even foobar takes up about 13MB when running. Running any software will use up some of your precious RAM and CPU cycles. Just use your damn systems instead of staring at the task manager all day.

Just because more resources are now available doesn't give programmers a license to create inefficient programs to hog up any advantages that we've gained from new hardware. We buy new hardware because we want our machines to be faster, not so programmers can't bloat up simple applications and still have their sloppy code executed.

Why does about every single commercial program in existence now seem to think that since you're installing it that your computer must revolve around it? Every program seems to want to install some sort of task bar memory resident loader or special updater. Antivirus from norton and mcafee digs its heels into the file system and tons of other places that you really don't need it. When I download an MP3 player or something I don't need it to load in memory on startup or connect to the internet to inform me of updates and news. I just want it to shut the fvck up and run mp3s when I ask it too.

Norton/Mcaee are pretty bad, Acrobat uses way to many resources for what is a pretty simple application. Windows XP struggles to try and ruin the relatively good design set forth by 2K.

Quicktime is bad too. Bloatus Bloats (Lotus Notes) is probably my personal biggest one.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: flexy
Ghost now needs Net1.1 etc. and services running and stuff.....SHAKES HEAD.....

Get used to it... .NET is an exploding platform and this going to become the norm.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: igowerf
Just use your damn systems instead of staring at the task manager all day.

QTF

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: PingSpike
Why does about every single commercial program in existence now seem to think that since you're installing it that your computer must revolve around it?

This is a really good point. After installing the OS, the majority of us spend a lot of time setting up our favorite software. How much time would we save in the process if we didn't have to spank almost every program we install because it loaded one, two, or even three programs into the systray? While I do think people become over-obsessed when it comes to what resources are being used on their machine, it IS pretty rediculous that you can't even install a text editor without it running a bunch of garbage at start-up.

Some things are justifiable, but rarely. I'm looking at my taskbar right now at work: Outlook, SQL Enterprise Manager, NAV Corporate, Novell Netware Services, and APC PowerChute. It took some effort to trim the crap down to just those necessities, and you could even argue the APC if you wanted to.

Like someone else said, Adobe Acrobat is stupid. It's a damn document reader that most people *might* use once a day. Why in the blue **** does it need ANYTHING in the tray?

There was a time when it was standard practice for programs to ASK you (*GASP*) if you wanted something to load at start-up. Now it's like every basement programmer is clammoring for real estate in your taskbar.

So like I said, some people are a bit too obsessed over what's happening, but at the same time, it's not like they haven't been given reason to be paranoid.

 

[daniel49]

I have used Norton for years and although it slows the boot down a little It really doesn't seem to affect other things I am doing.

Its not a perfect product....what is? but it does a decent job at doing what its designed to do.


In regards to a program thats a nightmare and a pain in the butt, messenger comes immediately to mind. whoever designed it to be so obnoxious and persistant about loading itself should be flogged.

 

[Sureshot324]

Any game with starforce copy protection.