News Mosque shooting in Christchurch, New Zealand - At least 49 dead

[UglyCasanova]

They live in a world were liberals are all evil socialists

And many of you seem to live in a world where conservatives are evil fascists. Civility matters because without it we have this unsustainable political war going on and it’s eating the country apart. Unfortunately the most vocal on both sides of the aisle are the fringe and they seem to drive the ship. Working with the opposing party is frowned upon on compromise has become a four letter word. There’s no reason for that and yes both side (another four letter word it seems) are very much guilty of it.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

So dishonest. This wasn't some random person. He's a far right racist nut bar inspired by Trump & a variety of others. They know full well that their rhetoric provokes marginal personalities to action & just keep talking hateful shit anyway.

Cite SPECIFICALLY where this shooter is "far right". With facts.

As I said NUMEROUS times - and no one can manage to debunk my point... Racism isn't a conservative agenda.

Everything in his text indicates he is far left you insignificant buffoon.

 

[woolfe9998]

And many of you seem to live in a world where conservatives are evil fascists. Civility matters because without it we have this unsustainable political war going on and it’s eating the country apart. Unfortunately the most vocal on both sides of the aisle are the fringe and they seem to drive the ship. Working with the opposing party is frowned upon on compromise has become a four letter word. There’s no reason for that and yes both side (another four letter word it seems) are very much guilty of it.

2+ years ago I would have agreed with you. Not today. I call them fascists because the similarities with historical fascist movements are too much to ignore. If they want to claim we're "socialists" that is fine by me. There is no equivalency there. I'll take modern European socialism over early 20th century European fascism any day of the week and twice on Sundays. They're scapegoating Muslims and immigrants the way Hitler scapegoated the Jews. But we're guilty of the unpardonable offense of wanting...single payer healthcare. Oh the unhumanity of wanting everyone to have decent healthcare like they do in the rest of the western world. This extremism must be stopped!

I'd love to "work with the other party." Which country do I have to go to to find a right wing party who will work with us?

 

[jackstar7]

So you can't answer the question? Typical.

Bsck atcha, slick.

 

[twjr]

I'd love to "work with the other party." Which country do I have to go to to find a right wing party who will work with us?

New Zealand or Australia? While uncommon bipartisan legislation does get passed.

 

[jackstar7]

Everything in his text indicates he is far left you insignificant buffoon.

Prove your claim.

 

[Anarchist Mae]

And many of you seem to live in a world where conservatives are evil fascists. Civility matters because without it we have this unsustainable political war going on and it’s eating the country apart. Unfortunately the most vocal on both sides of the aisle are the fringe and they seem to drive the ship. Working with the opposing party is frowned upon on compromise has become a four letter word. There’s no reason for that and yes both side (another four letter word it seems) are very much guilty of it.

What about this conversation isn't civil? I'm not promoting violence towards you, I'm having a discussion in which you happen to be a part. Conservatives (and many Democrats are conservative) are doing evil because they support a system that gets its citizens killed, or worse actively encourage it.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Prove your claim.

I already cited my evidence. Read his manifesto.

I called YOU out stating he was an right-wing person. YOU prove YOUR original assertion. As if you read his manifesto to assert your claim to begin with. You just said "He's racist and shot Muslims, he must be right wing"

 

[Jaskalas]

I think its time for muslims to strike against any alt right groups.

...and I really don't think you get it. If you did, you wouldn't be calling for civility because you'd realize how naive that is.

What do we have if we do not strive for political action?

Civility does not mean passive. When I hear it I think non violence. I think of wanting to grow political aspirations by trying to lure in and appeal to more people, to form a broader coalition in hopes of actually winning elections. So that opponents may be stopped without violence. Civility as in appealing to the Rust Belt and Appalachia areas that are in ruin. By providing answers to a desperate people looking for hope. So that Trump's lies are not their literal only choice. Reach out, speak to people, and seek their embrace. Civil discourse. Political action. Non violence.

I call for civility because to do otherwise, to actually achieve violent change would be apocalyptic in this nation. Think Mosul. Think Aleppo. Think Raqqa. There is nothing but death and destruction for ALL of us if we do not maintain a civil society. Anyone who actually threatens that would be just as dangerous as that shooter.

If we believe this country suffers a disease, then we must tread carefully so as not to kill the patient with our treatment. We must not become that which we fight. We must sap their appeal and steal back political power by winning over the hearts and minds of our people. Fail to do that, fail to pursue that, and we all burn together, families and all.

I would see us be the architects of a bright and prosperous future, rather than architects of our own demise.

 

[woolfe9998]

New Zealand or Australia? While uncommon bipartisan legislation does get passed.

I was being flip. I assume that pretty much every other democracy in the world is better with passing bi-partisan legislation than the US is currently.

 

[UglyCasanova]

They're scapegoating Muslims and immigrants the way Hitler scapegoated the Jews.

Which is what is being done towards whites as well. Everyone needs their devil. You can dismiss it and say no we’re not but reducing people down to the color of their skin has become a very real thing on the left and the bogeyman of monolithic whites have become a scapegoat for the ills of society. Socialist or wanting healthcare isn’t the sins of the left, those are simply political positions. The racism that has become prevelant is the one that makes them equivalent.

 

[blackangst1]

It is though.

Link?

 

[Anarchist Mae]

I already cited my evidence. Read his manifesto.

I called YOU out stating he was an right-wing person. YOU prove YOUR original assertion. As if you read his manifesto to assert your claim to begin with. You just said "He's racist and shot Muslims, he must be right wing"

 

[woolfe9998]

What do we have if we do not strive for political action?

Civility does not mean passive. When I hear it I think non violence. I think of wanting to grow political aspirations by trying to lure in and appeal to more people, to form a broader coalition in hopes of actually winning elections. So that opponents may be stopped without violence. Civility as in appealing to the Rust Belt and Appalachia areas that are in ruin. By providing answers to a desperate people looking for hope. So that Trump's lies are not their literal only choice. Reach out, speak to people, and seek their embrace. Civil discourse. Political action. Non violence.

I call for civility because to do otherwise, to actually achieve violent change would be apocalyptic in this nation. Think Mosul. Think Aleppo. Think Raqqa. There is nothing but death and destruction for ALL of us if we do not maintain a civil society. Anyone who actually threatens that would be just as dangerous as that shooter.

If we believe this country suffers a disease, then we must tread carefully so as not to kill the patient with our treatment. We must not become that which we fight. We must sap their appeal and steal back political power by winning over the hearts and minds of our people. Fail to do that, fail to pursue that, and we all burn together, families and all.

I would see us be the architects of a bright and prosperous future, rather than architects of our own demise.

Violence is not the only alternative to "civility." You're drawing a false dichotomy. I am saying civility is useless now, not that I want violence. I do not even oppose civility as a general principle. In the long run, it's necessary in any democracy. The problem is that right now in America we're past a point where it will make any difference.

Unfortunately you are ignoring the role of right wing media in this. This is their sole source of information, and it's packed top to bottom with hate and lies. We aren't going to hug away these delusions they're willingly accepting.

We can only defeat them in elections. And if they get violent, then they have to be dealt with accordingly, by law enforcement, if necessary. And failing all that, then we need to look at how we can disentangle from each other. If it means splitting the country into two or more countries, then so be it. In fact, I'd vote for that today if it was on a ballot. Democracy is moribund, and we're divided worse than any two countries at war. America is pretty much dead already.

 

[whm1974]

Violence is not the only alternative to "civility." You're drawing a false dichotomy. I am saying civility is useless now, not that I want violence. I do not even oppose civility as a general principle. In the long run, it's necessary in any democracy. The problem is that right now in America we're past a point where it will make any difference.

Unfortunately you are ignoring the role of right wing media in this. This is their sole source of information, and it's packed top to bottom with hate and lies. We aren't going to hug away these delusions they're willingly accepting.

We can only defeat them in elections. And if they get violent, then they have to be dealt with accordingly, by law enforcement, if necessary. And failing all that, then we need to look at how we can disentangle from each other. If it means splitting the country into two or more countries, then so be it. In fact, I'd vote for that today if it was on a ballot. Democracy is moribund, and we're divided worse than any two countries at war. America is pretty much dead already.

The country is far from dead already. Most of the citizenry do not support dividing our country in two.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

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You are mentally retarded.

We have already stated, being declared a "white supremacist" < > Conservative political views. You have continued to prove that you are retarded. Donate your brain cells to better use.

 

[UglyCasanova]

White power sign lol.

This dude seems like an absolutely deranged product of the recesses of the internet and it’s almost like this was a big frickin joke to him. Subscribe to pewdiepie! And from what I’ve read lots of other internet related stuff in his manifesto (haven’t read it myself). Like it’s the world’s most deranged shitpost.

I think he’s an evil fricker, more than likely mentally unstable which made him susceptible to the crap he read on 4/8 Chan, and even now he’s trying to do shite that he knows will go viral. I’d imagine his defense will be mental derangement caused him to lose track of what’s real vs not and reality vs online world. I think a just and fair world would simply be a bullet to his head but as I’ve grown older my views towards capital punishment have changed.

 

[woolfe9998]

The country is far from dead already. Most of the citizenry do not support dividing our country in two.

I made no comment about the popularity of my idea to split the country, so I don't see why that point is even relevant. I'm under no illusion that it will actually happen, which is why I'm focusing on winning elections. I will, however, leave if things start to turn violent.

So far as the country, yeah it's pretty much dead. Democracy barely functions at all. The money in our politics, as well as partisanship, guarantees that no useful legislation will ever be passed unless one party gets a huge majority. The right is contrarion on literally every last thing the left wants to accomplish, and they'll kill before they let us do...literally anything. We could try to do something they support and they'll suddenly start to oppose it because they hate us more than they hate our ideas.

We're doomed. But I'll keep re-arranging deck chairs on this titanic thing we call a country along with the rest of you. Because I have nothing better to do.

 

[whm1974]

White power sign lol.

This dude seems like an absolutely deranged product of the recesses of the internet and it’s almost like this was a big frickin joke to him. Subscribe to pewdiepie! And from what I’ve read lots of other internet related stuff in his manifesto (haven’t read it myself). Like it’s the world’s most deranged shitpost.

I think he’s an evil fricker, more than likely mentally unstable which made him susceptible to the crap he read on 4/8 Chan, and even now he’s trying to do shite that he knows will go viral. I’d imagine his defense will be mental derangement caused him to lose track of what’s real vs not and reality vs online world. I think a just and fair world would simply be a bullet to his head but as I’ve grown older my views towards capital punishment have changed.

Same here, unfortunately Society has to remove some folks from the rest of it from to time due to being extremely dangerous to others. So people are indeed, pure evil.

 

[ivwshane]

Guys! Guys! The shooter is clearly a left leaning radical! Of course he's going to use every right wing meme, that's just good trolling! /s

Let's just ignore the fact that in order to use every right wing meme and to use it correctly, you'd have to know about right wing memes in the first place, which means you'd have to be steeped pretty deeply in the culture itself.

The shooter might as well have been anyone of our resident righties, he was that deep in his bubble. He'd probably been trolling for so long that he became the reality he created.

 

[DrDoug]

Civility matters because without it we have this unsustainable political war going on and it’s eating the country apart.

You sound concerned. Conservatives have been fighting an uncivil war for decades so you can stop crying about a lack of civility. As far as a return to civility, with the majority of the Republican base solidly behind Felonious-D and keeping him in the WHITE House despite everything he has done to screw up this country... you can forget that. The only way this is going to stop is when Republicans decide it isn't worth it any more.

Right now they are enjoying the Hell out of Donny Two-Scoops, rolling like pigs in his racist shit.

 

[woolfe9998]

Guys! Guys! The shooter is clearly a left leaning radical! Of course he's going to use every right wing meme, that's just good trolling! /s

Let's just ignore the fact that in order to use every right wing meme and to use it correctly, you'd have to know about right wing memes in the first place, which means you'd have to be steeped pretty deeply in the culture itself.

The shooter might as well have been anyone of our resident righties, he was that deep in his bubble. He'd probably been trolling for so long that he became the reality he created.

I figured they'd just say the whole thing is a false flag. The video was all actors.

But then he did helpfully call himself an "ECO-fascist." That's all the cover they need to claim he's a leftist.

 

[twjr]

You are mentally retarded.

We have already stated, being declared a "white supremacist" < > Conservative political views. You have continued to prove that you are retarded. Donate your brain cells to better use.

Please find me some groups in this list of liberal or left leaning white supremacist organisations. From my quick gander there aren't any. Plenty of right and far-right, and national socialist (i.e. Nazi) aligned groups though.

That's not to say that all those with conservative or right wing views are white supremacists but white supremacism is a subset of right wing views.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I figured they'd just say the whole thing is a false flag. The video was all actors.

But then he did helpfully call himself an "ECO-fascist." That's all the cover they need to claim he's a leftist.

Inyet you have nothing to proclaim that he belongs to the right... Yet the stupids here keep asserting such.

 

[woolfe9998]

Inyet you have nothing to proclaim that he belongs to the right... Yet the stupids here keep asserting such.

I've read the manifesto. Everything he believes about Muslims and immigrants can be heard daily on Fox News or any of a number of other right wing outlets. Doesn't really matter what he believes about anything else. His attack was motivated by propaganda we constantly hear from the right.

Maybe you need to go listen to Fox News. The fact that you claim ignorance of everything going on in right wing media is why we have a disconnect here. Your media habits are atypical for conservatives. They're not reading what you're reading.