Mormons

[0roo0roo]

homophobia ftl! helping ruin the boyscouts ftl!

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

ROFL!!!!!! That's classic. Book of Mormon doesn't even talk about black people you genius. But I bet you can't prove it does using the Book of Mormon instead of some stupid website.

Dont lie to me, I read book of mormon, nephites and laminites I think they were called, and god cursed one group with black skin as they went wayward of jesus. I read that many many times over.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Typical cultists, will not even deny the churches laws.

You know damn well this is how they handle it and could care less. Brainwashed freaks.

Oh spare me. "Oh it can't be just the family!!! It must be that wicked church with the rules I don't know, but they must be rules that make the family do what they do!!!! Oh, woe is me!!"

OH MY GOSH!!!! Are you ever going to explain the rules, or what outer darkness is, or say anything that isn't dripping with disdain due to your own ignorance of our church? I somehow doubt it.

 

[Steeplerot]

Racism in book of mormon



Book of Mormon

1 Nephi 11:13 (Mary) "she was exceedingly fair and white."

1 Nephi 12:23 (prophecy of the Lamanites) " became a dark, and loathsome, and a filthy people, full of idleness and all manner of abominations."

1 Nephi 13:15 (Gentiles) "they were white, and exceedingly fair and beautiful, like unto my people [Nephites] before they were slain."

2 Nephi 5:21 "a sore cursing . . . as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them."

2 Nephi 30:6 (prophecy to the Lamanites if they repented) "scales of darkness shall begin to fall. . . . they shall be a white and delightsome people" ("white and delightsome" was changed to "pure and delightsome" in 1981).

Jacob 3:5 (Lamanites cursed) "whom ye hate because of their filthiness and the cursing which hath come upon their skins. . . ."

Jacob 3:8-9 "their skins will be whiter than yours... revile no more against them because of the darkness of their skins. . . ."

Alma 3:6 "And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion."

Alma 3:9 "whosoever did mingle his seed with that of the Lamanites did bring the same curse upon his seed."

Alma 3:14 (Lamanites cursed) "set a mark on them that they and their seed may be separated from thee and thy seed. . . ."

Alma 23:18 "[Lamanites] did open a correspondence with them [Nephites] and the curse of God did no more follow them."

3 Nephi 2:14-16 "Lamanites who had united with the Nephites were numbered among the Nephites; And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites and . . . became exceedingly fair. . . . "

3 Nephi 19:25, 30 (Disciples) "they were as white as the countenance and also the garments of Jesus; and behold the whiteness thereof did exceed all the whiteness. . . . nothing upon earth so white as the whiteness thereof? and behold they were white, even as Jesus."

Mormon 5:15 (prophecy about the Lamanites) "for this people shall be scattered, and shall become a dark, a filthy, and a loathsome people, beyond the description of that which ever hath been amongst us. . . ."

 

[Bartino]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Typical cultists, will not even deny the churches laws.

You know damn well this is how they handle it and could care less. Brainwashed freaks.

well i think that is settled now that you have resorted to name calling. just keep telling yourself whatever you want, but know the truth is, you are clueless. and you obviously do care because you are throwing such a huge tantrum about it. srry that you are wrong, but there really isnt any need to get so upset about it

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Typical cultists, will not even deny the churches laws.

You know damn well this is how they handle it and could care less. Brainwashed freaks.

Oh spare me. "Oh it can't be just the family!!! It must be that wicked church with the rules I don't know, but they must be rules that make the family do what they do!!!! Oh, woe is me!!"

OH MY GOSH!!!! Are you ever going to explain the rules, or what outer darkness is, or say anything that isn't dripping with disdain due to your own ignorance of our church? I somehow doubt it.

Are you going to deny that this is exactly how it should have been handled by the church? Funny, I trust a high councilmember far more then you. One that is a familymember and very very well respected around SLC at that.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Bartino
but there really isnt any need to get so upset about it

Yeah, the church brainwashes familymembers into becoming homophobic cultists who turn their back on their own son on his deathbed as he was hopeessly lost in the churches eyes and its no big deal. Do yourself a favor, go cram that angel mornonis trumpet up your ass.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Dont lie to me, I read book of mormon, nephites and laminites I think they were called, and god cursed one group with black skin as they went wayward of jesus. I read that many many times over.

I'm sorry, but how many latinos do you know of that are black??? Still laughing.

And I did read your scriptures, though it's to bad you have read anything else except for those verses you found by doing a google search on "racism Book of Mormon". Nice try though. Try reading the rest of the Book instead of another stupid website.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Dont lie to me, I read book of mormon, nephites and laminites I think they were called, and god cursed one group with black skin as they went wayward of jesus. I read that many many times over.

I'm sorry, but how many latinos do you know of that are black??? Still laughing.

And I did read your scriptures, though it's to bad you have read anything else except for those verses you found by doing a google search on "racism Book of Mormon". Nice try though. Try reading the rest of the Book instead of another stupid website.

Liek I said, I read the whole book a few times along with PoGP. Give it a rest, either deny your cults laws or provide evidence that this is not exactly what is in this sick cultist books.

BTW that stupid website quotes directly from book of mormon, is your book stupid now?

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Are you going to deny that this is exactly how it should have been handled by the church? Funny, I trust a high councilmember far more then you. One that is a familymember and very very well respected around SLC at that.

Trust what you wish. Doesn't change the fact I'm right. The church doesn't tell you how to handle excommunicated members, except to tell them to never stop loving them. That's the official stance. I wonder why I would therefore have a hard time accepting what you're saying. Hmmm, interesting.

 

[Bartino]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Typical cultists, will not even deny the churches laws.

You know damn well this is how they handle it and could care less. Brainwashed freaks.

Oh spare me. "Oh it can't be just the family!!! It must be that wicked church with the rules I don't know, but they must be rules that make the family do what they do!!!! Oh, woe is me!!"

OH MY GOSH!!!! Are you ever going to explain the rules, or what outer darkness is, or say anything that isn't dripping with disdain due to your own ignorance of our church? I somehow doubt it.

Are you going to deny that this is exactly how it should have been handled by the church? Funny, I trust a high councilmember far more then you. One that is a familymember and very very well respected around SLC at that.

once again you know so much less than you think. you know a high council member that is respected in SLC?!!! NO WAY!!! so does everyone else. i can promise you that it is not part of the churches teachings to total push ex'd members away like they are worthless. i am not saying that it doesnt happen, but it's completely against the teachings of the church to do that.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Are you going to deny that this is exactly how it should have been handled by the church? Funny, I trust a high councilmember far more then you. One that is a familymember and very very well respected around SLC at that.

Trust what you wish. Doesn't change the fact I'm right.

Yeah you are right becasue you deny what is in your own book. They may have lessened the rules nowdays, I mean heck blacks were not even allowed to serve as missionaries or bishops or whatever when I was a kid. Save it, you are either new to the church or a liar.

 

[Abel007]

I thought calling it "LDS Church" was a no-no. <shrug> I dunno, I'm not Mormon but I read that somewhere. Truth?

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Liek I said, I read the whole book a few times along with PoGP. Give it a rest, either deny your cults laws or provide evidence that this is not exactly what is in this sick cultist books.

BTW that stupid website quotes directly from book of mormon, is your book stupid now?

The church is exactly what is in that book, so exactly why would I show it isn't?

As far your stupid website comment, that is a new level of ignorance I didn't know exist. People misconceptions and misunderstanding about a book have what affect on the book? Yeah, get back to me on that one.

Tell me again, what else did the book state about those people? Anything about what else they were doing? Oh yeah, they murdered, stole, committed adultry. Hmm, sure that couldn't have had any effect on the reason for them being given that title. Oh, and since they were such a horrible people and God hated them so much, why and how did they eventually come back and overcome their problems??

Yeah, read it again scooter.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Yeah you are right becasue you deny what is in your own book. They may have lessened the rules nowdays, I mean heck blacks were not even allowed to serve as missionaries or bishops or whatever when I was a kid. Save it, you are either new to the church or a liar.

Ok, I've answered your questions. When are you going to answer mine? If we're so evil for not letting black, and others mind you, have the priesthood, what you are you feelings on them being denied it in the Bible also? Why were only Levites allowed in their sacred temples and allowed to have the priesthood?

 

[z42]

Originally posted by: cvrefugee

Originally posted by: astrocase

Originally posted by: cvrefugee
You are not excommunicated if you can't pay your tithing. Trust me, I've read the manual regarding church policy. The devil will tell you 99 truths to make you believe 1 lie.

I'm not mormon. He was. If he lied then so be it. Considering I could give a crap about the religion I don't see a reason for him to lie.

Here are some examples of sins that will get you excommunicated in our Church:

-Murder

Sexual sins such as:
-Adultery
-Fornication
-Incest
-Rape

My guess is your friend had a grudge against the church for whatever reason and decided to make himself look like a victim. To be excommunicated you basically have to commit a grave sin and not be penetant (willing to repent). Not paying one's tithing is not considered a grave sin.

I'm not saying your friend is a liar, I'm simply stating the Church's policy on excommunication. I cannot judge someone based off second-hand information.

This may be true in your church, but one of my friends was excommunicated for marrying a non Mormon. Maybe this counts as Fornication/Adultery in her church elders eyes somehow?

 

[Alienwho]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Dont lie to me, I read book of mormon, nephites and laminites I think they were called, and god cursed one group with black skin as they went wayward of jesus. I read that many many times over.

I'm sorry, but how many latinos do you know of that are black??? Still laughing.

And I did read your scriptures, though it's to bad you have read anything else except for those verses you found by doing a google search on "racism Book of Mormon". Nice try though. Try reading the rest of the Book instead of another stupid website.

Liek I said, I read the whole book a few times along with PoGP. Give it a rest, either deny your cults laws or provide evidence that this is not exactly what is in this sick cultist books.

BTW that stupid website quotes directly from book of mormon, is your book stupid now?

You obviously don't fully understand the context of those scriptures, and the backstory of what is going on at the time.

I can do that too. Watch:

I trust a high councilmember

You trust a mormon? How can anybody do such a thing?!

 

[Steeplerot]

The bible is a bigoted piece of trash also, best resigned to the dustbin of fictional historical oddities in good ideas gone wrong thanks to powermongers and explotation of peoples ignorance.

 

[Bartino]

Originally posted by: z42

Originally posted by: cvrefugee

Originally posted by: astrocase

Originally posted by: cvrefugee
You are not excommunicated if you can't pay your tithing. Trust me, I've read the manual regarding church policy. The devil will tell you 99 truths to make you believe 1 lie.

I'm not mormon. He was. If he lied then so be it. Considering I could give a crap about the religion I don't see a reason for him to lie.

Here are some examples of sins that will get you excommunicated in our Church:

-Murder

Sexual sins such as:
-Adultery
-Fornication
-Incest
-Rape

My guess is your friend had a grudge against the church for whatever reason and decided to make himself look like a victim. To be excommunicated you basically have to commit a grave sin and not be penetant (willing to repent). Not paying one's tithing is not considered a grave sin.

I'm not saying your friend is a liar, I'm simply stating the Church's policy on excommunication. I cannot judge someone based off second-hand information.

This may be true in your church, but one of my friends was excommunicated for marrying a non Mormon. Maybe this counts as Fornication/Adultery in her church elders eyes somehow?

that is really interesting because i know tons of members that got married to non members and didnt get ex'd. there must be more to the story than just she married a non member. if that was the only reason than i dont understand why she was ex'd because she shouldnt have been

 

[Alienwho]

This may be true in your church, but one of my friends was excommunicated for marrying a non Mormon. Maybe this counts as Fornication/Adultery in her church elders eyes somehow?

That is 100% not the whole truth. They were doing something on the side that they failed to mention, which was the real reason for the excommunication.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
The bible is a bigoted piece of trash also, best resigned to the dustbin of fictional historical oddities in good ideas gone wrong thanks to powermongers and explotation of peoples ignorance.

So then, what's you stance on organized religion, or religion in general?

 

[Coolone]

Originally posted by: z42

Originally posted by: cvrefugee

Originally posted by: astrocase

Originally posted by: cvrefugee
You are not excommunicated if you can't pay your tithing. Trust me, I've read the manual regarding church policy. The devil will tell you 99 truths to make you believe 1 lie.

I'm not mormon. He was. If he lied then so be it. Considering I could give a crap about the religion I don't see a reason for him to lie.

Here are some examples of sins that will get you excommunicated in our Church:

-Murder

Sexual sins such as:
-Adultery
-Fornication
-Incest
-Rape

My guess is your friend had a grudge against the church for whatever reason and decided to make himself look like a victim. To be excommunicated you basically have to commit a grave sin and not be penetant (willing to repent). Not paying one's tithing is not considered a grave sin.

I'm not saying your friend is a liar, I'm simply stating the Church's policy on excommunication. I cannot judge someone based off second-hand information.

This may be true in your church, but one of my friends was excommunicated for marrying a non Mormon. Maybe this counts as Fornication/Adultery in her church elders eyes somehow?

If they had pre-marital sex before they got married, than that is why your friend was excommunicated. If that isnt the case, then the local church leadership is at fault here AFAIK, because the church DOES respect civil marriages (member or not). I know plenty of LDS people who are married to non-members, and they are accepted just as any other member would be, and hold positions like any other member could.

 

[pinion9]

Originally posted by: Alienwho

Originally posted by: pinion9
I work with a man who married an "ex-mormon" and had a few children with her. 20 years into the marriage she went back to the church. When he did not follow her, she divorced him. She took the children, and now he is alone. His kids don't even call him on his birthday. Since he isn't Mormon, they will not associate with him.

What a wonderful, peaceful, Christian-like religion.

Sure you do :roll:
I'm also sure that's the whole story (we won't speculate the man beat his wife and kids, which is why they refuse to call him on his birthday) . Yeah i'm sure they won't associate with him just because he isn't mormon.

But hey while we're throwing wild stories out there. I know this one guy that I work with, and he's an Atheist, doesn't believe in God at all, can you believe that? As if he wouldn't burn in hell enough for that, get this. His wife divorced him after 20 years cause he is a wife beating child molesting whack job! Man his wife must just be as evil since she wasn't strong enough to get out of th relationship until 20 years later. Man those Atheists will get what's coming to them when they're all burning in hell!

So what you are saying is that this man must have beaten his wife and molested his children and that is why they left him? No. I work with the guy. Nicest guy ever and the only reason he divulged this information was because my best friend was getting involved with a Mormon girl. He wanted to give him warning.

Go ahead and rationalize all you want. I'm telling you what I know first hand.

 

[Bartino]

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: Alienwho

Originally posted by: pinion9
I work with a man who married an "ex-mormon" and had a few children with her. 20 years into the marriage she went back to the church. When he did not follow her, she divorced him. She took the children, and now he is alone. His kids don't even call him on his birthday. Since he isn't Mormon, they will not associate with him.

What a wonderful, peaceful, Christian-like religion.

Sure you do :roll:
I'm also sure that's the whole story (we won't speculate the man beat his wife and kids, which is why they refuse to call him on his birthday) . Yeah i'm sure they won't associate with him just because he isn't mormon.

But hey while we're throwing wild stories out there. I know this one guy that I work with, and he's an Atheist, doesn't believe in God at all, can you believe that? As if he wouldn't burn in hell enough for that, get this. His wife divorced him after 20 years cause he is a wife beating child molesting whack job! Man his wife must just be as evil since she wasn't strong enough to get out of th relationship until 20 years later. Man those Atheists will get what's coming to them when they're all burning in hell!

So what you are saying is that this man must have beaten his wife and molested his children and that is why they left him? No. I work with the guy. Nicest guy ever and the only reason he divulged this information was because my best friend was getting involved with a Mormon girl. He wanted to give him warning.

Go ahead and rationalize all you want. I'm telling you what I know first hand.

once again, this is a very unfortunate situation, and i really do feel bad for your friend because that is terrible, but i promise it is not what the church teaches. those actions can only be attributed to his wife being stupid. one of the biggest things the church focus's on is family, and i know that the last thing they want to do is break families up, for any reason. i wish these things didnt happen, i really do, but it is not the churches fault. we dont teach anything like that

 

[pinion9]

Please, Bartino or engineereeyore, explain to me the Kinderhook Plates.

It was a hoax. How could Joe Smith claim it was divine revelation when in fact it was proven, without a doubt, to be a hoax. Give me one reason why we should believe the other revelations weren't hoaxes as well.