Mormons

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: pinion9
Okay, so you believe that God's Throne is a physical place and that some planet named Kolob is close to it?

Do you see how ridiculous this is?

"C'mon ya'll. Lets get on the starship and go to Planet Kolob!" Seriously, where is this planet Kolob located?

I'm sorry, a throne is a physical object, yes? Prophets and apostles have seen God on this physical object in a physical location, yes? What's your problem again?

Where is Kolob location? Good question. Who knows and who cares?

Tell me this. When you get married in the temple, do you or do you not receive special names?

No. You're close, but no.

Also, please provide some biblical scripture that eludes to there being multiple levels of heaven as well. That always bothered me. Also, please provide some biblical scripture that even hints at us being gods of our own little planets.

I believe that was answered, even though you don't agree. How suprising.

As far as your interpretation of Corinthians, I simply disagree. Exactly how many levels are there of your heaven? Are you going to be a god of your own planet?

Umm, did you read the verses? How many levels where spoken of? Read the verses and you'll find your answer.

As for being a God, the potential to become like God and the commandment to be like God is well covered in the Bible. You should read it sometime. But let me guess, rather than doing that, you'll want me to point it out to you.

Many people believe in a god in one form or another. That isn't so strange that we believe in a master who created us.

As for the underwear, it is strange that a religion would use something like underwear to grant special power and protection. It is one of the signs of a cult. Why underwear?

Strange to you, not to me. Is it a sign of a cult? I don't care. Call me whatever you want. Doesn't change the fact it's the true Church. Just means you're not willing to join it. Just so you know though, garments imply more than just underwear.

 

[pinion9]

Originally posted by: Alienwho
Rather than blaspheming on things that you don't understand, why don't you stick on the subject of something you understand so well, such as the Corinthians scripture.

That isn't blasphemy. What you spew is pure BS and you and your group are nothing but proselytizers.

As far as Corinthians, I am no expert. I don't see how you get multiple levels of heaven out of the scripture. Tell me, would those people in level 3 be jealous of those in level 2?

Why don't you tell me about all the women and children that were massacred at Mountain Meadows by your beloved leader?

Can you please explain to me the Kinderhook Plates? How do you explain the farmers that came forth after Smith found these and confessed that they were a hoax and most of the characters on the plate were from a chinese tea-bag box? All this after Smith said that they were divine revelations from god, come to find out it was just instructions on how to make sleepy-time tea...

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: Alienwho

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: pinion9
Joseph Smith taught that not only is there the matter that we can see, but also everything on the spiritual plane is made of matter also, we simply cannot see it because our eyes aren't open to it or pure enough to see it.

We cannot observe this matter with our eyes. However, wouldn't scientific equipment be able to observe this matter?

Is this where you tell me you also believe in ghosts and other beings living in alternate planes?

Wow I overestimated you. I thought i was dealing with someone much more intelligent then what you're displaying. Go fly a kite.

Oh well My Heck Pinion, NOW you've done it...

 

[pinion9]

Originally posted by: Alienwho

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: pinion9
Joseph Smith taught that not only is there the matter that we can see, but also everything on the spiritual plane is made of matter also, we simply cannot see it because our eyes aren't open to it or pure enough to see it.

We cannot observe this matter with our eyes. However, wouldn't scientific equipment be able to observe this matter?

Is this where you tell me you also believe in ghosts and other beings living in alternate planes?

Wow I overestimated you. I thought i was dealing with someone much more intelligent then what you're displaying. Go fly a kite.

Why don't you answer my question instead of attacking me personally? You can tell someone is losing an argument because they stoop to attacking the arguer, not the argument. Please tell me, if it is matter that isn't observable by our eyes because we are blind to it (you know, like the 6th sense) then can equipment detect it?

 

[msparish]

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: pinion9
Joseph Smith taught that not only is there the matter that we can see, but also everything on the spiritual plane is made of matter also, we simply cannot see it because our eyes aren't open to it or pure enough to see it.

We cannot observe this matter with our eyes. However, wouldn't scientific equipment be able to observe this matter?

Is this where you tell me you also believe in ghosts and other beings living in alternate planes?

Wouldn't scientific equipment be able to detect the presence of god? It's a two way street. And just because the majority of people believe in a god, doesn't make it any less strange than special underwear.

 

[pinion9]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Alienwho

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: pinion9
Joseph Smith taught that not only is there the matter that we can see, but also everything on the spiritual plane is made of matter also, we simply cannot see it because our eyes aren't open to it or pure enough to see it.

We cannot observe this matter with our eyes. However, wouldn't scientific equipment be able to observe this matter?

Is this where you tell me you also believe in ghosts and other beings living in alternate planes?

Wow I overestimated you. I thought i was dealing with someone much more intelligent then what you're displaying. Go fly a kite.

Oh well My Heck Pinion, NOW you've done it...

My intelligence is being insulted by someone who believes God lives next to the Planet Kolob and that special garments can give him protection!

edit: spelling, added the word lives

 

[pinion9]

Originally posted by: msparish
Wouldn't scientific equipment be able to detect the presence of god? It's a two way street. And just because the majority of people believe in a god, doesn't make it any less strange than special underwear.

No, because I don't believe God is made of matter.

If your religion preaches that there is an alternate plane that consists of matter and we simply cannot see it because we are blind to it, shouldn't objective equipment be able to detect it? Either it is real matter that we cannot see, or it isn't real matter. Which is it?

 

[pinion9]

One of the things I dislike about Mormons: The more you argue with them, the more they feel persecuted, so the more righteous they feel. The mindset of "The mass thinks I'm wrong, so I must be right."

Please tell me, Mormon, are you better than me?

 

[msparish]

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: msparish
Wouldn't scientific equipment be able to detect the presence of god? It's a two way street. And just because the majority of people believe in a god, doesn't make it any less strange than special underwear.

No, because I don't believe God is made of matter.

If your religion preaches that there is an alternate plane that consists of matter and we simply cannot see it because we are blind to it, shouldn't objective equipment be able to detect it? Either it is real matter that we cannot see, or it isn't real matter. Which is it?

You still haven't gotten past the fact that you believe in an all-powerful pink unicorn that you've never seen. Once you get past that, believing that it lives next to Kolob or that it wants me to wear special underwear isn't the strange part. Believing in an all-powerful pink unicorn is.

 

[Alienwho]

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: Alienwho

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: pinion9
Joseph Smith taught that not only is there the matter that we can see, but also everything on the spiritual plane is made of matter also, we simply cannot see it because our eyes aren't open to it or pure enough to see it.

We cannot observe this matter with our eyes. However, wouldn't scientific equipment be able to observe this matter?

Is this where you tell me you also believe in ghosts and other beings living in alternate planes?

Wow I overestimated you. I thought i was dealing with someone much more intelligent then what you're displaying. Go fly a kite.

Why don't you answer my question instead of attacking me personally? You can tell someone is losing an argument because they stoop to attacking the arguer, not the argument. Please tell me, if it is matter that isn't observable by our eyes because we are blind to it (you know, like the 6th sense) then can equipment detect it?

You bet. You mentioning Ghosts was the nail in the coffin. You proved me wrong.

And as for the equipment. Yeah you're probably right, sure God is powerful enough to create the Universe and all that amazing stuff we can't even begin to comprehend. But maybe if we create some kind of sonar with lazer propulsion biometric niners we'll be able to detect him.

 

[pinion9]

Originally posted by: Alienwho
You bet. You mentioning Ghosts was the nail in the coffin. You proved me wrong.

And as for the equipment. Yeah you're probably right, sure God is powerful enough to create the Universe and all that amazing stuff we can't even begin to comprehend. But maybe if we create some kind of sonar with lazer propulsion biometric niners we'll be able to detect him.

It is a serious question. If god is made of matter, and we just cannot see it, would we be able to detect it. Yes or no please.

 

[pinion9]

Originally posted by: msparish
You still haven't gotten past the fact that you believe in an all-powerful pink unicorn that you've never seen. Once you get past that, believing that it lives next to Kolob or that it wants me to wear special underwear isn't the strange part. Believing in an all-powerful pink unicorn is.

I understand your point and it is well taken. However, I see no mention in the Bible about God living on Planet Kolob and think that would be an important detail. I'm not going to believe Joe Smith from BFE that has a record of lying and deceiving when he says God told him he lives in space.

No one answered my questions. Please explain the Kinderhook Plates and the Mountain Meadows Massacre.

 

[msparish]

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: msparish
You still haven't gotten past the fact that you believe in an all-powerful pink unicorn that you've never seen. Once you get past that, believing that it lives next to Kolob or that it wants me to wear special underwear isn't the strange part. Believing in an all-powerful pink unicorn is.

I understand your point and it is well taken. However, I see no mention in the Bible about God living on Planet Kolob and think that would be an important detail. I'm not going to believe Joe Smith from BFE that has a record of lying and deceiving when he says God told him he lives in space.

No one answered my questions. Please explain the Kinderhook Plates and the Mountain Meadows Massacre.

Historical things about the mormon church are fair game. I have no qualms about that, because many parts of mormon history are significantly different than what is taught by the church. However referring back to the bible--a book supposedly written by the pink unicorn--is no basis for saying that another person's beliefs are strange.

 

[Alienwho]

Originally posted by: pinion9
One of the things I dislike about Mormons: The more you argue with them, the more they feel persecuted, so the more righteous they feel. The mindset of "The mass thinks I'm wrong, so I must be right."

Well if that's how you feel, I don't know why you go around strengthening the faith of the mormons then, because by your logic that is exactly what you're doing.

Please tell me, Mormon, are you better than me?

I'm probably better than you at ice hockey and you're probably better than me at Curling. That's what makes life interesting, we're all better than each other at certain things.

 

[pinion9]

Originally posted by: Alienwho

Originally posted by: pinion9
One of the things I dislike about Mormons: The more you argue with them, the more they feel persecuted, so the more righteous they feel. The mindset of "The mass thinks I'm wrong, so I must be right."

Well if that's how you feel, I don't know why you go around strengthening the faith of the mormons then, because by your logic that is exactly what you're doing.

Please tell me, Mormon, are you better than me?

I'm probably better than you at ice hockey and you're probably better than me at Curling. That's what makes life interesting, we're all better than each other at certain things.

It is what I am doing. I don't plan to change you. However, from someone outside looking in, and hearing about your planet and alternate universe and stupid underwear they will probably realize this religion is a cult.

I asked you, are you better than me? Yes or no. Will God choose you over me?

 

[Bartino]

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: Alienwho

Originally posted by: pinion9
One of the things I dislike about Mormons: The more you argue with them, the more they feel persecuted, so the more righteous they feel. The mindset of "The mass thinks I'm wrong, so I must be right."

Well if that's how you feel, I don't know why you go around strengthening the faith of the mormons then, because by your logic that is exactly what you're doing.

Please tell me, Mormon, are you better than me?

I'm probably better than you at ice hockey and you're probably better than me at Curling. That's what makes life interesting, we're all better than each other at certain things.

It is what I am doing. I don't plan to change you. However, from someone outside looking in, and hearing about your planet and alternate universe and stupid underwear they will probably realize this religion is a cult.

I asked you, are you better than me? Yes or no. Will God choose you over me?

no

 

[Alienwho]

Originally posted by: msparish

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: msparish
You still haven't gotten past the fact that you believe in an all-powerful pink unicorn that you've never seen. Once you get past that, believing that it lives next to Kolob or that it wants me to wear special underwear isn't the strange part. Believing in an all-powerful pink unicorn is.

I understand your point and it is well taken. However, I see no mention in the Bible about God living on Planet Kolob and think that would be an important detail. I'm not going to believe Joe Smith from BFE that has a record of lying and deceiving when he says God told him he lives in space.

No one answered my questions. Please explain the Kinderhook Plates and the Mountain Meadows Massacre.

Historical things about the mormon church are fair game. I have no qualms about that, because many parts of mormon history are significantly different than what is taught by the church. However referring back to the bible--a book supposedly written by the pink unicorn--is no basis for saying that another person's beliefs are strange.

I'm glad you understand the concept and are trying to talk some understanding into our friend (albeit in a derogatory manner) because anything I say means nothing.

 

[pinion9]

Originally posted by: msparish

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: msparish
You still haven't gotten past the fact that you believe in an all-powerful pink unicorn that you've never seen. Once you get past that, believing that it lives next to Kolob or that it wants me to wear special underwear isn't the strange part. Believing in an all-powerful pink unicorn is.

I understand your point and it is well taken. However, I see no mention in the Bible about God living on Planet Kolob and think that would be an important detail. I'm not going to believe Joe Smith from BFE that has a record of lying and deceiving when he says God told him he lives in space.

No one answered my questions. Please explain the Kinderhook Plates and the Mountain Meadows Massacre.

Historical things about the mormon church are fair game. I have no qualms about that, because many parts of mormon history are significantly different than what is taught by the church. However referring back to the bible--a book supposedly written by the pink unicorn--is no basis for saying that another person's beliefs are strange.

So, was it justifiable for your brethern to shoot women and children in the back?

What about the hoax kinderplates? If Joe Smith got a revelation from god, then we found out it was all a hoax, doesn't he lose credibility.

PLEASE! EXPLAIN TO ME WHY WE SHOULD BELIEVE ANYTHING JOE SMITH SAYS WHEN ON AT LEAST ONE DOCUMENTED OCCASION HE WAS FOUND TO BE LYING!

What about the verse in the Bible that states that we shall not take away or add more books to the Bible? Isn't that what the Book Of Mormon did?

 

[pinion9]

If God wanted us to all wear special underwear and think about Kolob, why didn't he put it in the Bible? At least hint at it?

 

[Bartino]

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: msparish

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: msparish
You still haven't gotten past the fact that you believe in an all-powerful pink unicorn that you've never seen. Once you get past that, believing that it lives next to Kolob or that it wants me to wear special underwear isn't the strange part. Believing in an all-powerful pink unicorn is.

I understand your point and it is well taken. However, I see no mention in the Bible about God living on Planet Kolob and think that would be an important detail. I'm not going to believe Joe Smith from BFE that has a record of lying and deceiving when he says God told him he lives in space.

No one answered my questions. Please explain the Kinderhook Plates and the Mountain Meadows Massacre.

Historical things about the mormon church are fair game. I have no qualms about that, because many parts of mormon history are significantly different than what is taught by the church. However referring back to the bible--a book supposedly written by the pink unicorn--is no basis for saying that another person's beliefs are strange.

So, was it justifiable for your brethern to shoot women and children in the back?

What about the hoax kinderplates? If Joe Smith got a revelation from god, then we found out it was all a hoax, doesn't he lose credibility.

PLEASE! EXPLAIN TO ME WHY WE SHOULD BELIEVE ANYTHING JOE SMITH SAYS WHEN ON AT LEAST ONE DOCUMENTED OCCASION HE WAS FOUND TO BE LYING!

What about the verse in the Bible that states that we shall not take away or add more books to the Bible? Isn't that what the Book Of Mormon did?

haha no that is not what the book of mormon does. and if you knew the bible you would know, that verse is also stated in deutoronomy 4:2, along with revelations. so does that mean everything after deut 4:2 is an addition? that verse means that we arent to change the revelations of God. we shouldnt add things to it that make things better for us. nothing in the book of mormon changes the revelations of God. it supports what the bible teaches

 

[Steeplerot]

Mormon = sick cult

I have a whole side of whackos in my family and one of my relatives was a vet, a buisness owner, raised with the church, but in the 80s it turned out he was gay. And he was a very early on diagnosed with HIV (early 80s when noone knew even what it was or how people got it.) He was excommunicated and died alone, his own parents would not speak to him or even visit him in the hospital as he died and forbid his TWIN BROTHER from visiting. (He did though behind their back.)

Turns out after he died he wa decorated with a silver star, purple heart, and while sick actually dissasembled copy machines and rewrote schematics of circut boards and mailed what he figured out would be better to IBM for free, he was that smart of a guy. Many letters thanking him from IBM enigineering dept, and he refused money, it was his hobby.

He is buried in a paupers grave (granted a vet one) BUT the church had no problem swooping in and taking his buisness as soon as he died. (His brother was running it for him while sick)

Mormons = fvcked

His own mother told me he was evil and better off dead. His twin brother is angry, but is so brainwashed by the church he still buys all that. Needless to say I cannot stand that side of my family. Cultists.

 

[msparish]

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: msparish

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: msparish
You still haven't gotten past the fact that you believe in an all-powerful pink unicorn that you've never seen. Once you get past that, believing that it lives next to Kolob or that it wants me to wear special underwear isn't the strange part. Believing in an all-powerful pink unicorn is.

I understand your point and it is well taken. However, I see no mention in the Bible about God living on Planet Kolob and think that would be an important detail. I'm not going to believe Joe Smith from BFE that has a record of lying and deceiving when he says God told him he lives in space.

No one answered my questions. Please explain the Kinderhook Plates and the Mountain Meadows Massacre.

Historical things about the mormon church are fair game. I have no qualms about that, because many parts of mormon history are significantly different than what is taught by the church. However referring back to the bible--a book supposedly written by the pink unicorn--is no basis for saying that another person's beliefs are strange.

So, was it justifiable for your brethern to shoot women and children in the back?

What about the hoax kinderplates? If Joe Smith got a revelation from god, then we found out it was all a hoax, doesn't he lose credibility.

PLEASE! EXPLAIN TO ME WHY WE SHOULD BELIEVE ANYTHING JOE SMITH SAYS WHEN ON AT LEAST ONE DOCUMENTED OCCASION HE WAS FOUND TO BE LYING!

What about the verse in the Bible that states that we shall not take away or add more books to the Bible? Isn't that what the Book Of Mormon did?

Are you actually reading what I'm saying, or just typing? Go back and read my last response again.

 

[Alienwho]

I asked you, are you better than me? Yes or no. Will God choose you over me?

God chooses the humble, meek, pure in heart, merciful, just, those who are as a little child.

Are either of us fitting any of those descriptions?

If you ask me, non-mormons should celebrate at the mormons view of the afterlife, especially in comparision with most other religions. Most other religions will say, "you're not a member, you're going to hell!". Mormons say, "you're not a member, hey, you still have a chance. Oh, you are a member? That's no guarantee".

 

[pinion9]

I work with a man who married an "ex-mormon" and had a few children with her. 20 years into the marriage she went back to the church. When he did not follow her, she divorced him. She took the children, and now he is alone. His kids don't even call him on his birthday. Since he isn't Mormon, they will not associate with him.

What a wonderful, peaceful, Christian-like religion.

 

[pinion9]

Originally posted by: msparish
Are you actually reading what I'm saying, or just typing? Go back and read my last response again.

So, do you concede that Joseph Smith got a divine revelation from God from these plates that later turned out to be a hoax? Yes or no please.