Mormons

[Bartino]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Mormon = sick cult

I have a whole side of whackos in my family and one of my relatives was a vet, a buisness owner, raised with the church, but in the 80s it turned out he was gay. And he was a very early on diagnosed with HIV (early 80s when noone knew even what it was or how people got it.) He was excommunicated and died alone, his own parents would not speak to him or even visit him in the hospital as he died and forbid his TWIN BROTHER from visiting. (He did though behind their back.)

Turns out after he died he wa decorated with a silver star, purple heart, and while sick actually dissasembled copy machines and rewrote schematics of circut boards and mailed what he figured out would be better to IBM for free, he was that smart of a guy. Many letters thanking him from IBM enigineering dept, and he refused money, it was his hobby.

He is buried in a paupers grave (granted a vet one) BUT the church had no problem swooping in and taking his buisness as soon as he died. (His brother was running it for him while sick)

Mormons = fvcked

His own mother told me he was evil and better off dead. His twin brother is angry, but is so brainwashed by the church he still buys all that. Needless to say I cannot stand that side of my family. Cultists.

why hold the church accountable for your families problems? not every member of the church is perfect, so it is ridiculous to blame the church for your families own personal problems.

 

[pinion9]

Originally posted by: Bartino
why hold the church accountable for your families problems? not every member of the church is perfect, so it is ridiculous to blame the church for your families own personal problems.

Because that seems to be the same story other people tell. If it happened once here or there, but it happens a lot. And it is the Mormon teaching that you try not to associate with non-members.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Bartino

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Mormon = sick cult

I have a whole side of whackos in my family and one of my relatives was a vet, a buisness owner, raised with the church, but in the 80s it turned out he was gay. And he was a very early on diagnosed with HIV (early 80s when noone knew even what it was or how people got it.) He was excommunicated and died alone, his own parents would not speak to him or even visit him in the hospital as he died and forbid his TWIN BROTHER from visiting. (He did though behind their back.)

Turns out after he died he wa decorated with a silver star, purple heart, and while sick actually dissasembled copy machines and rewrote schematics of circut boards and mailed what he figured out would be better to IBM for free, he was that smart of a guy. Many letters thanking him from IBM enigineering dept, and he refused money, it was his hobby.

He is buried in a paupers grave (granted a vet one) BUT the church had no problem swooping in and taking his buisness as soon as he died. (His brother was running it for him while sick)

Mormons = fvcked

His own mother told me he was evil and better off dead. His twin brother is angry, but is so brainwashed by the church he still buys all that. Needless to say I cannot stand that side of my family. Cultists.

why hold the church accountable for your families problems? not every member of the church is perfect, so it is ridiculous to blame the church for your families own personal problems.

His dad was a elder of the local church (bishop priest whatever) and on the high council or whatever in SLC when his own son died. His father was very high in the church, and the church worked hard to literally steal the mans life work. There is always another side to the story, the "they are good people though" stuff is apologist bs, they are another death cult under the guise of a church, money and brainwashing its members is the goal.

 

[pinion9]

Explain to me the Mormon sects in Utah that still practice polygamy and routinely marry off their underage daughters to much older men. Or is that a different type of Mormon?

 

[Alienwho]

Originally posted by: pinion9
I work with a man who married an "ex-mormon" and had a few children with her. 20 years into the marriage she went back to the church. When he did not follow her, she divorced him. She took the children, and now he is alone. His kids don't even call him on his birthday. Since he isn't Mormon, they will not associate with him.

What a wonderful, peaceful, Christian-like religion.

Sure you do :roll:
I'm also sure that's the whole story (we won't speculate the man beat his wife and kids, which is why they refuse to call him on his birthday) . Yeah i'm sure they won't associate with him just because he isn't mormon.

But hey while we're throwing wild stories out there. I know this one guy that I work with, and he's an Atheist, doesn't believe in God at all, can you believe that? As if he wouldn't burn in hell enough for that, get this. His wife divorced him after 20 years cause he is a wife beating child molesting whack job! Man his wife must just be as evil since she wasn't strong enough to get out of th relationship until 20 years later. Man those Atheists will get what's coming to them when they're all burning in hell!

 

[msparish]

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: msparish
Are you actually reading what I'm saying, or just typing? Go back and read my last response again.

So, do you concede that Joseph Smith got a divine revelation from God from these plates that later turned out to be a hoax? Yes or no please.

Were the plates a hoax? Absolutley. You're barking up the wrong tree. If you read my previous posts, you'll see I was born and raised in the church, but am now agnostic.

 

[Steeplerot]

Lets not forget about the "angel of death" they have either, they will kill you for going astray or speaking about what goes on in temple. Deny that all you want but my family knows better, they still try to harass us about joining and have threatened my family numerous times.

God used to be a man on another planet and Mormon members may become gods of their own worlds; There are many gods; The Trinity are 3 seperate gods; Entrance into celestial heaven is by the consent of God and the Mormon prophet Joseph Smith; God has a body of flesh and bones; God is married and produces spirit babies by having physical relations with his goddess wife; Jesus, satan, and all of us are spirit brothers and sisters procreated in a pre-existent spirit life; God had relations with Mary to make Jesus' body; You must shed your own blood for the forgiveness of some sins; Good works are necessary for the forgiveness of sins


They believe there are different "planets" you go to to become a kinda alien god if you and your family/ancestors are all good mormons. Whacked out stuff.

Lets not even get into the early history of murdering settlers heading west to make a new life and pillaging their supplies after killing the non-mormon families.

The above response of dont blame the church for your familys problems is typical of these people, it was THE CHURCH that dictated to them to be so sick in the head.

 

[Alienwho]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Lets not forget about the "angel of death" they have either, they will kill you for going astray or speaking about what goes on in temple. Deny that all you want but my family knows better, they still try to harass us about joining and have threatened my family numerous times.

If this "angel of death" you speak of is true, your family wouldn't know better cause they'd all be dead, obviously. Your post is the biggest oxymoron in the history of this thread.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Alienwho

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Lets not forget about the "angel of death" they have either, they will kill you for going astray or speaking about what goes on in temple. Deny that all you want but my family knows better, they still try to harass us about joining and have threatened my family numerous times.

If this "angel of death" you speak of is true, your family wouldn't know better cause they'd all be dead, obviously. Your post is the biggest oxymoron in the history of this thread.

They use that for betrayers, I am not a mormon, nor have I ever gone into their secret "temple". My mom did though and she is still to this day too scared to speak of what she saw inside. They still harass her like I said though. She was a member for a year or two and got the hell out. Luckily she raised me to question organized religion and cults, she knew well and I grew up having to chase off their leech follower missionarys and death threats for her not returning to the church. Like I said, I have a realitive who was very high up in SLC, and they did not take well to one side of our family being not members.

We had to get a restraining order when my mom wrote a letter asking to have me when I was a chld taken off some whacko baptism by proxy thing they have.

 

[Bartino]

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: Bartino
why hold the church accountable for your families problems? not every member of the church is perfect, so it is ridiculous to blame the church for your families own personal problems.

Because that seems to be the same story other people tell. If it happened once here or there, but it happens a lot. And it is the Mormon teaching that you try not to associate with non-members.

im pretty sure i know the teachings of my own church thanks. you could throw out "bad mormon" stories all day, but that doesnt mean that is what the church teaches. if i was taught that i would have no problem admitting it, but it is so far from the truth. i wish that i could say that people in my church didnt act like that, but they do. i have been treated bad by people of other religions but i dont jump to the conclusion that their chruch teaches them to hate me, because that would be a very presumptuous thing to say without proper evidence.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: pinion9

Because that seems to be the same story other people tell. If it happened once here or there, but it happens a lot. And it is the Mormon teaching that you try not to associate with non-members.

I'm sorry, but my wife's family did the same thing to her that you are talking about because she JOINED the LDS church. But let me guess, that doesn't count cause we're a cult and it's justified. Spare me. Spare me your cry-baby bullcrap. Get over it.

As for believe Joseph Smith, believe whatever you want. Only affects your salvation, not mine, nor anyone else. Cause you know what's great? If we're right, every person that you help lead down the path of darkness will be on your blood, and vice versa if we're wrong. I'm willing to accept that. Are you?

Though tell me, how many more of your pathetic attempt at understand the scriptures of stupid stories about Joseph Smith do I need to answer? So far all they've done it help to verify the position of Joseph Smith with God, though I've noticed you've since quit commenting on them. You lies get old, and they're sad lies and misconceptions at that.

Point in case, we'll see each other at the Judgment Bar of God, and I for one can't wait.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

His dad was a elder of the local church (bishop priest whatever) and on the high council or whatever in SLC when his own son died. His father was very high in the church, and the church worked hard to literally steal the mans life work. There is always another side to the story, the "they are good people though" stuff is apologist bs, they are another death cult under the guise of a church, money and brainwashing its members is the goal.

You obviously have almost zero understand of the church if you think a) he has a high position because he's a Elder (though a very important calling), b) he can be an Elder and on the High Council at the same time, and c) That being on the high council is a high calling in the church.

Your family doing what they did is their fault and theirs alone. The church does not run peoples lives. We teach them correct principles and let them govern themselves. If they do things such as what you've spoken, it's their fault. Period. So don't give me any of your crap either about how sick and wrong the church is because some of it's members do bad things. According to your definition of sick and wrong, the whole world is sick and wrong, including you. So get over it.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: pinion9
Explain to me the Mormon sects in Utah that still practice polygamy and routinely marry off their underage daughters to much older men. Or is that a different type of Mormon?

Yet another sign of how little you actually know about the church. Polygomous member are excommunicated from the church. The only connection they have with the church is through their words only. They are not members.

By the way, do you raise the same stink about Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and every other man in the Bible that was ever involve in polygomy? Until you do, shut up.

 

[Steeplerot]

Yeah right, they were following the church, typical response from a mormon, oh no, its not the church it is your family, yet they were following the rules dealing with a excommunicated memeber, it was the churchs brainwashing, and nothing less.

Some "church" that tells its followers to leave a son to die alone as he did not live up to the churchs standards.

I may not know the details of who gets appointed where, but I know what the church leads its members to do under their rules, and they are nothing less then a cult. Save it.

 

[Bartino]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Yeah right, they were following the church, typical response from a mormon, oh no, its not the church it is your family, yet they were following the rules dealing with a excommunicated memeber, it was the churchs brainwashing, and nothing less.

you have absolutely no idea what being excommunicated even means. i know many people that have been ex'd but still come to church, and are always welcome. it is your families fault. im sorry to break it to you, because you have probably found closure in your denial of the real problem in this situation. it isnt the church. it is your family. and you are probably going to say "typical mormon response" which mean absolutely nothing, but if it makesyou feel better, like blaming things on the church does, then go for it

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Yeah right, they were following the church, typical response from a mormon, oh no, its not the church it is your family, yet they were following the rules dealing with a excommunicated memeber, it was the churchs brainwashing, and nothing less.

Some "church" that tells its followers to leave a son to die alone as he did not live up to the churchs standards.

I may not know the details of who gets appointed where, but I know what the church leads its members to do under their rules, and they are nothing less then a cult. Save it.

There are no rules for dealing with excommunicated member!!! How ignorant of the church are you?? One of my best friends has been excommunicated for 7 years and was just brought back in. There are no rules for dealing with them, therefore, the fault lies with your family. End of discussion.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Bartino

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Yeah right, they were following the church, typical response from a mormon, oh no, its not the church it is your family, yet they were following the rules dealing with a excommunicated memeber, it was the churchs brainwashing, and nothing less.

you have absolutely no idea what being excommunicated even means. i know many people that have been ex'd but still come to church, and are always welcome. it is your families fault. im sorry to break it to you, because you have probably found closure in your denial of the real problem in this situation. it isnt the church. it is your family. and you are probably going to say "typical mormon response" which mean absolutely nothing, but if it makesyou feel better, like blaming things on the church does, then go for it

Yeah right, the church sure loves it excommunicated members. Funny how his father was a high member of the church. More brainwashed denial cultist BS. Keep your head in the sand.

Why would they let a excommunicated member back in? He was freakin gay, that is it for him, he tried to do his best to show his family he was a upstanding member, and they disowned him for how he was born. Mormons=Fvcked people, had nothing to do with family, it was the rules of the church they were brainwashed with. The family was following the RULE, and thanks to his parent brainwashing he died alone and disowned, some "church".

BTW congrats on finally letting blacks in. Surpried they even did that considering black skin means you are cursed by god. Or so says the book of mormon.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Yeah right, the church sure loves it excommunicated members. Funny how his father was a high member of the church. More brainwashed denial cultist BS. Keep your head in the sand.

Why would they let a excommunicated member back in? He was freakin gay, that is it for him, he tried to do his best to show his family he was a upstanding member, and they disowned him for how he was born. Mormons=Fvcked people, had nothing to do with family, it was the rules of the church they were brainwashed with. The family was following the RULE, and thanks to his parent brainwashing he died alone and disowned, some "church".

Sure, you just keep telling yourself whatever you need to to feel better about the situation. I understand the position you are trying to say he was in, even if you won't listen to me. But I'll tell you this. I'm in a high enough position in this church to know if what you're saying is true or not, and I know you're in denial. But like I said, you blame the church all you want. You're problem, not mine.

BTW congrats on finally letting blacks in. Surpried they even did that considering black skin means you are cursed by god. Or so says the book of mormon.

ROFL!!!!!! That's classic. Book of Mormon doesn't even talk about black people you genius. But I bet you can't prove it does using the Book of Mormon instead of some stupid website.

Hey, the Bible didn't let black into their temple either. What do you have to say about that?? Matter of fact, the only people allowed were from the tribe of Levi. But I guess that's okay in your eyes. :roll:

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Yeah right, the church sure loves it excommunicated members. Funny how his father was a high member of the church. More brainwashed denial cultist BS. Keep your head in the sand.

Why would they let a excommunicated member back in? He was freakin gay, that is it for him, he tried to do his best to show his family he was a upstanding member, and they disowned him for how he was born. Mormons=Fvcked people, had nothing to do with family, it was the rules of the church they were brainwashed with. The family was following the RULE, and thanks to his parent brainwashing he died alone and disowned, some "church".

Sure, you just keep telling yourself whatever you need to to feel better about the situation. I understand the position you are trying to say he was in, even if you won't listen to me. But I'll tell you this. I'm in a high enough position in this church to know if what you're saying is true or not, and I know you're in denial. But like I said, you blame the church all you want. You're problem, not mine.

And if I am so wrong then how does "your" view of the churchs rule deal with those in outer darkness? Your full of it. It was the churches way and they followed the rules, are you saying the church is wrong?

They were very very hardcore followers, and raised many many children all little zombies like their parents, so, has the mormon church lightened up? Whats the new rules then?

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

And if I am so wrong then how does "your" view of the churches rule deal with those in outer darkness? Your full of it. It was the churches way and they followed the rules, are you saying the church is wrong?

Oh my gosh, this just keeps getting better and better. Do you even know what outer darkness is?? If you can even come close to explaining it to me, I'll answer your question.

 

[Bartino]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Bartino

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Yeah right, they were following the church, typical response from a mormon, oh no, its not the church it is your family, yet they were following the rules dealing with a excommunicated memeber, it was the churchs brainwashing, and nothing less.

you have absolutely no idea what being excommunicated even means. i know many people that have been ex'd but still come to church, and are always welcome. it is your families fault. im sorry to break it to you, because you have probably found closure in your denial of the real problem in this situation. it isnt the church. it is your family. and you are probably going to say "typical mormon response" which mean absolutely nothing, but if it makesyou feel better, like blaming things on the church does, then go for it

Yeah right, the church sure loves it excommunicated members. Funny how his father was a high member of the church. More brainwashed denial cultist BS. Keep your head in the sand.

Why would they let a excommunicated member back in? He was freakin gay, that is it for him, he tried to do his best to show his family he was a upstanding member, and they disowned him for how he was born. Mormons=Fvcked people, had nothing to do with family, it was the rules of the church they were brainwashed with. The family was following the RULE.

once again i am well aware of how my church runs and operates. basically it is my word against yours, and when you get down to it, you are just assuming things. i am a mormon, and i know what the deal is with ex'd members. if they werent allowed back in i would say that. i am not just flat out lying to cover myself. i have been a part of ex'd members coming back into the church, and yes even gay ones, so dont sit there and tell me what my church believes, because i know. i, along with everyone else, couldn't possibly care less about what you "think" you know. dont flatter yourself thinking that you understand a religion better than someone who straight up belongs to it. start taking responsibility for your own misconceptions rather than sitting there saying "yeah right" because you think you are so smart on a subject. learn to admit when you dont know as much about something as another person, because you are just making even more laughable comments everytime you say "yeah right, this is what happened to me so it must be universal, even though i have never researched this church beyond stupid internet rumors." come back when you have conclusive evidence and not just unfortunate stories

 

[Steeplerot]

Sorry man, I know this as I lived through it my whole life dealing with them and the crazy rules of their cult. If excommunicated gays are allowed back in this is a new thing, along with allowing black members. He died in 1989 so my knowledge of church law may be dated, regardless, the act stands as history in my family regardless of how the almighty church backpedaled.

Shameful laws of supposed followers of christ.

Who exactly do you people think you are to dictate how someone is born making them unworthy of your tinpot cult.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Sorry man, I know this as I lived through it my whole life dealing with them and the crazy rules of their cult. If excommunicated gays are allowed back in this is a new thing, along with allowing black members. He died in 1989 so my knowledge of church law may be dated, regardless, the act stands as history in my family regardless of how the almighty church backpedaled.

Yeah, that's what I thought.

 

[Steeplerot]

Typical cultists, will not even deny the churches laws.

You know damn well this is how they handle it and could care less. Brainwashed freaks.

 

[Coolone]

Originally posted by: Bartino



once again i am well aware of how my church runs and operates. basically it is my word against yours, and when you get down to it, you are just assuming things. i am a mormon, and i know what the deal is with ex'd members. if they werent allowed back in i would say that. i am not just flat out lying to cover myself. i have been a part of ex'd members coming back into the church, and yes even gay ones, so dont sit there and tell me what my church believes, because i know. i, along with everyone else, couldn't possibly care less about what you "think" you know. dont flatter yourself thinking that you understand a religion better than someone who straight up belongs to it. start taking responsibility for your own misconceptions rather than sitting there saying "yeah right" because you think you are so smart on a subject. learn to admit when you dont know as much about something as another person, because you are just making even more laughable comments everytime you say "yeah right, this is what happened to me so it must be universal, even though i have never researched this church beyond stupid internet rumors." come back when you have conclusive evidence and not just unfortunate stories

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