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NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: reverend boltron
Answering the question matters because then I will know whether or not to pray for you. I will know whether or not you accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior or if you reject Him. In fact, even if you DO accept Him, I will still pray for you. So I guess it really doesn't matter either way.

Well you go right ahead and do what you want, makes no difference to me!
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: cvrefugee
You are not excommunicated if you can't pay your tithing. Trust me, I've read the manual regarding church policy. The devil will tell you 99 truths to make you believe 1 lie.

So now you're telling us that astrocase is a liar?
 

thepd7

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Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: Alienwho
Right, I know. However, if you choose to believe that God is the Almighty, then you must believe that the Bible is flawless.
I couldn't possibly disagree more. I just don't understand how you can think that. The bible was arranged and created by MAN. How can it possibly be flawless? God did not write the bible. He called prophets, who wrote their teachings. Those teachings were then taken and manipulated by man to fit their own agenda. Man kept the teachings they agreed with, threw the rest out, and slapped the title "Bible" on it.

The bible is not the word of God....Scriptures are the word of God, and scriptures are NUMEROUS. It just so happens that man took a bunch of scriptures they liked and binded them together and called it the bible. Who is to say that it's complete and contains everything that God ever wanted to say to man? What's the deal with all the new scripture they're finding over there in the middle east and how does that relate to the bible? It's fascinating really.
Scriptures written down by MAN, no? How are you so certain scriptures are exactly as God intended but not the Bible? I suspect you will say God took care of that, which is exactly what Nik is saying about the canon and translations and such.

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No I would say the Vessels that God chose to use to write that down were just that: Chosen Vessels, and not random guys that took it upon themselves to translate which was already written by the chosen vessels.

I understand where Nik is coming from. I just could never accept a book as 100% divine and perfect that was organized by a bunch of self appointed men to keep the parts they like and toss the parts they don't. This is why prophets are so important. I could level with you a little more if you believed those men were prophets and actually chosen by God to arrange the bible and select the scripture most needed for the human race. But if that's the case there would have been no need for a big debate in the first place. "I'll see your Selling of indulgences, and raise you Three Hail Mary's for commiting the unavoidable sin of rape (because hey, you're bound to be put in that situation sooner or later, and you'll never be able to avoid it, 3 hail mary's should be enough to take care of that.)

So God can choose vessels to write down scripture but he didn't choose the people of the cannon and make them vessels to use to include the correct srcipture in the Bible?
 

reverend boltron

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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: reverend boltron
Answering the question matters because then I will know whether or not to pray for you. I will know whether or not you accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior or if you reject Him. In fact, even if you DO accept Him, I will still pray for you. So I guess it really doesn't matter either way.

Well you go right ahead and do what you want, makes no difference to me!

It will.;)
 

astrocase

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Originally posted by: cvrefugee
You are not excommunicated if you can't pay your tithing. Trust me, I've read the manual regarding church policy. The devil will tell you 99 truths to make you believe 1 lie.


I'm not mormon. He was. If he lied then so be it. Considering I could give a crap about the religion I don't see a reason for him to lie.

 

astrocase

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Originally posted by: reverend boltron
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: reverend boltron
Originally posted by: Nik
You read too much into what I post. Often times here on AT you have atheists telling other atheists that they're wrong about what they think about the Bible because even THEY know something about what the Bible says. They are hardly representing the faith. I'm not trying to convert anyone. I hardly speak as the voice of non-mormon christianity. If you think so, you need your head examined.

You still didn't answer my question, and I doubt you ever will. That's too bad Nik.

Tell me, why should I answer your question? Why does answering your question matter? I see you're simply yet another nosy, controlling Christian that can't keep their paws out of the lives of others.

Tell you what. You fvck off and eat sh|t and I'll go on laughing at oppressed Christians like you. Sound good? Awesome! :)

Answering the question matters because then I will know whether or not to pray for you. I will know whether or not you accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior or if you reject Him. In fact, even if you DO accept Him, I will still pray for you. So I guess it really doesn't matter either way.


What's that I hear? Shhh. Listen closely. I hear it. Do you hear it? It kinda sounds like a herd of horses approaching. No wait! It's bibles thumping!
 

McGyver

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believe in things that you'll find peace with, even if it means that those things are false.
 

astrocase

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I find it so interesting in these conversations since it's always the Christians trying to convert you, convince you, or indoctrinate you. I've never seen another religion do it. Some religions like Judaism and LDS like to stick together and associate with each other but they don't try to put their religious world views on you every chance they get.

This notion that we care if you pray for us or not is just silly.
 

cvrefugee

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Originally posted by: astrocase
Originally posted by: cvrefugee
You are not excommunicated if you can't pay your tithing. Trust me, I've read the manual regarding church policy. The devil will tell you 99 truths to make you believe 1 lie.


I'm not mormon. He was. If he lied then so be it. Considering I could give a crap about the religion I don't see a reason for him to lie.

Here are some examples of sins that will get you excommunicated in our Church:

-Murder

Sexual sins such as:
-Adultery
-Fornication
-Incest
-Rape

My guess is your friend had a grudge against the church for whatever reason and decided to make himself look like a victim. To be excommunicated you basically have to commit a grave sin and not be penetant (willing to repent). Not paying one's tithing is not considered a grave sin.

I'm not saying your friend is a liar, I'm simply stating the Church's policy on excommunication. I cannot judge someone based off second-hand information.
 

reverend boltron

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The reason why Christians try to convert/convince/indoctrinate you is because it's one of the commandments that Jesus gives. LDS try to convince/convert/indoctrinate people too. You probably live in America, which is mostly Christian, which is why you see more Christian people talking to you about Jesus than other people, but if you go to a country where Christianity isn't the predominant religion, you'll see other things. Just FYI - it doesn't really matter if Nik cares that I pray for him. The thing that matters is that someone is out there who cares about Nik enough to do that. Whether you believe it or not. If you do believe it, then cool, if you don't believe it, then it really shouldn't matter to you, because you don't think it will have an effect.
 

astrocase

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He was a really nice guy. Down to earth. I'm much more willing to believe him. He helped me out a lot at that job. This was just one of those conversations that came up one day when he was driving me home.

What happens if you don't pay your tithing in YOUR church? What motivation is there to even pay?
 

astrocase

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Originally posted by: reverend boltron
The reason why Christians try to convert/convince/indoctrinate you is because it's one of the commandments that Jesus gives. LDS try to convince/convert/indoctrinate people too. You probably live in America, which is mostly Christian, which is why you see more Christian people talking to you about Jesus than other people, but if you go to a country where Christianity isn't the predominant religion, you'll see other things. Just FYI - it doesn't really matter if Nik cares that I pray for him. The thing that matters is that someone is out there who cares about Nik enough to do that. Whether you believe it or not. If you do believe it, then cool, if you don't believe it, then it really shouldn't matter to you, because you don't think it will have an effect.


I spent a few weeks in Turkey and never had a Muslim try to convert me.

I spent a few months in South East Asia and never had a Budhist try to convert me.

 

reverend boltron

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Originally posted by: astrocase

I spent a few weeks in Turkey and never had a Muslim try to convert me.

I spent a few months in South East Asia and never had a Budhist try to convert me.

Hm, well, maybe I'm wrong.
 

astrocase

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I can't believe I'm even in this thread. I went to bed a few hours ago and just woke up because the neighbors behind me are screaming and hollering at each other.

It sounds to me like a mother chastising her daughter about something. There's a whole lot of religious diatribe going on. Apparently her daughter is very bad and is going to hell. I was half asleep so that?s the general gist that I got from the whole thing.

I opened up my window, told them to STFU, went into the living room, and look where I am now. :roll:

ROFL!
 

astrocase

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Originally posted by: reverend boltron
Originally posted by: astrocase

I spent a few weeks in Turkey and never had a Muslim try to convert me.

I spent a few months in South East Asia and never had a Budhist try to convert me.

Hm, well, maybe I'm wrong.


To be fair though, I don't speak Turkish or Thai. Nonetheless I did date a Thai girl and asked her all kinds of questions about Budhism and not once did she try to convert me. She simply explained to me that if I want to learn about Budhist philosophy there are many books to guide me if I so choose. To her it was a way of life but you don't judge others.
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: astrocase
I can't believe I'm even in this thread. I went to bed a few hours ago and just woke up because the neighbors behind me are screaming and hollering at each other.

It sounds to me like a mother chastising her daughter about something. There's a whole lot of religious diatribe going on. Apparently her daughter is very bad and is going to hell. I was half asleep so that?s the general gist that I got from the whole thing.

I opened up my window, told them to STFU, went into the living room, and look where I am now. :roll:

ROFL!

You can come sleep at my house, if it's easier for you ;)
 

cvrefugee

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Originally posted by: astrocase
He was a really nice guy. Down to earth. I'm much more willing to believe him. He helped me out a lot at that job. This was just one of those conversations that came up one day when he was driving me home.

What happens if you don't pay your tithing in YOUR church? What motivation is there to even pay?

What happens if I don't pay tithing? Well, we believe tithing to be a commandment of God. If we're not a full-tithe payer then we miss out on the blessings of the temple. It's really a small sacrifice that brings many blessings, maybe not monetary blessings but other kinds. We have to put our trust in the Lord and He will provide. Ever hear of a man named Job?
 

McGyver

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Originally posted by: astrocase
I can't believe I'm even in this thread. I went to bed a few hours ago and just woke up because the neighbors behind me are screaming and hollering at each other.

It sounds to me like a mother chastising her daughter about something. There's a whole lot of religious diatribe going on. Apparently her daughter is very bad and is going to hell. I was half asleep so that?s the general gist that I got from the whole thing.

I opened up my window, told them to STFU, went into the living room, and look where I am now. :roll:

ROFL!


my neighbor was screaming at her daughter too. as a matter of fact, i'm half asleep of the sleep aid i took. i think i'll have a talk with that grumpy old bytch next door first thing tomorrow morning.