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So how does one become a prophet? Do you have to be born with a special tatoo? Or can God just say "hey you! Yeah, YOU meandering through life miserably and doing your own thing! I want you to go here and there telling people this and that"? Jonah, anyone?
 
Originally posted by: Nik
So how does one become a prophet? Do you have to be born with a special tatoo? Or can God just say "hey you! Yeah, YOU meandering through life miserably and doing your own thing! I want you to go here and there telling people this and that"? Jonah, anyone?
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I'm sure your flawless bible covers this in there somewhere.
 
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
and those that do are very careful with doing things out in the open for others to see.
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Why are they so secretive?
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He's referring to those God fearing members who choose to drink despite the churches stance against it and choose to be secretive about it for <insert reason here>.
 
Originally posted by: Alienwho
Originally posted by: Nik
So how does one become a prophet? Do you have to be born with a special tatoo? Or can God just say "hey you! Yeah, YOU meandering through life miserably and doing your own thing! I want you to go here and there telling people this and that"? Jonah, anyone?
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I'm sure your flawless bible covers this in there somewhere.
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Those were rhetorical questions directed at your thoughts that those who were chosen to collect the writings of prophets and gather them into a book and call it the Bible were not ordained by God to do so 😛
 
Originally posted by: Alienwho
Hahaha. That's unbelievable. "A lot of mormons I know were rejoiceful when their church got stock in pepsi" Yeah right. I'm willing to bet .01% of members of the church actually know what the church has stock in. But that's okay you obviously know that .01% that stays on top of it.

Any member of the church you know who has a moral disaproval of coke and drink pepsi like water because "the church has stock in it" is a complete moron.

BTW dr. pepper FTW.
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Perhaps most mormons don't know what the LDS does business-wise. But believe me, there tends to be a lot more culture clash with the mormons here in Denver simply due to proximity to Utah. It's not like I ever had issues with mormons when I lived in Wisconsin or Florida (not that I have any issues here either)....they're just more vocal here since there are more of them than most places. Maybe they get influenced by the rabid activism of Boulder-ites, I dunno. *shrug*

Regardless of whether the mormons I've met are sheeple and approve/disapprove based on church investments. For a church to invest in something that it "frowns upon" seems hypocritical to me. It'd be like the Vatican investing stock into Vivid video.
 
Nik, I don't understand something. How can you say that we have free agency, yet at the same time you say we are unable to resist sin? That's a contradiction. If we couldn't resist sin, what's the point of having rules, laws, or commandments? Why have commandments if we can't keep them? That thinking is completely illogical.

Just because we are able to resist sin doesn't make us perfect and not in need of Christ's sacrifice. We make mistakes and sin, but Christ's sacrifice gives us the opportunity to repent. I thought that was basic Sunday school doctrine (ZING!).
 
Originally posted by: cvrefugee
Nik, I don't understand something. How can you say that we have free agency, yet at the same time you say we are unable to resist sin? That's a contradiction. If we couldn't resist sin, what's the point of having rules, laws, or commandments? Why have commandments if we can't keep them? That thinking is completely illogical.

Just because we are able to resist sin doesn't make us perfect and not in need of Christ's sacrifice. We make mistakes and sin, but Christ's sacrifice gives us the opportunity to repent. I thought that was basic Sunday school doctrine (ZING!).
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If you can't figure out how it's possible to have free will and a carnal nature at the same time, that's your problem.
 
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: cvrefugee
Nik, I don't understand something. How can you say that we have free agency, yet at the same time you say we are unable to resist sin? That's a contradiction. If we couldn't resist sin, what's the point of having rules, laws, or commandments? Why have commandments if we can't keep them? That thinking is completely illogical.

Just because we are able to resist sin doesn't make us perfect and not in need of Christ's sacrifice. We make mistakes and sin, but Christ's sacrifice gives us the opportunity to repent. I thought that was basic Sunday school doctrine (ZING!).
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If you can't figure out how it's possible to have free will and a carnal nature at the same time, that's your problem.
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Seems like a stubborn refusal to answer the question if you ask me.
 
Originally posted by: Coolone
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: cvrefugee
Nik, I don't understand something. How can you say that we have free agency, yet at the same time you say we are unable to resist sin? That's a contradiction. If we couldn't resist sin, what's the point of having rules, laws, or commandments? Why have commandments if we can't keep them? That thinking is completely illogical.

Just because we are able to resist sin doesn't make us perfect and not in need of Christ's sacrifice. We make mistakes and sin, but Christ's sacrifice gives us the opportunity to repent. I thought that was basic Sunday school doctrine (ZING!).
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If you can't figure out how it's possible to have free will and a carnal nature at the same time, that's your problem.
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Seems like a stubborn refusal to answer the question if you ask me.
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I've answered it time and time again in this thread. Read the damn thread. Use your brain.
 
Originally posted by: Nik
I've answered it time and time again in this thread. Read the damn thread. Use your brain.
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This is an illogical statement.

Originally posted by: Nik
No, we don't have the ability to deny sin. You do understand what a "carnal nature" is, do you not? You are never forced to sin, but you cannot live your life without sin. No matter how hard you try, you will fail to avoid sin, which is why Christ's death on the cross was necessary. If men could avoid sin, Christ wouldn't have had to die.
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We have the ability to deny all sin, but we are not perfect and we make mistakes. God knew we would sin, and through the atonement of Christ we have the gift of repentance. Do you even believe in repentance? From your statements, it looks like you don't. You have this idea that it's impossible to resist sin, so why bother trying.

We're not saying it's even possible or plausible that we can resist all sin, we're saying that we have the ability to resist it. That's the whole point of the idea of free agency.
 
So YOU can resist sin? You, out of your own power, can resist sin? Then why did Christ need to die on the cross if you can just resist it and be without sin?
 
Originally posted by: cvrefugee
Originally posted by: Nik
I've answered it time and time again in this thread. Read the damn thread. Use your brain.
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This is an illogical statement.

Originally posted by: Nik
No, we don't have the ability to deny sin. You do understand what a "carnal nature" is, do you not? You are never forced to sin, but you cannot live your life without sin. No matter how hard you try, you will fail to avoid sin, which is why Christ's death on the cross was necessary. If men could avoid sin, Christ wouldn't have had to die.
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We have the ability to deny all sin, but we are not perfect and we make mistakes. God knew we would sin, and through the atonement of Christ we have the gift of repentance. Do you even believe in repentance? From your statements, it looks like you don't. You have this idea that it's impossible to resist sin, so why bother trying.

We're not saying it's even possible or plausible that we can resist all sin, we're saying that we have the ability to resist it. That's the whole point of the idea of free agency.
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Both of you are closer to the truth than you think. Nik is right when he said no matter how hard you try, you will fail to avoid sin and cvrefugee you are right in that we have the ability to resist it.

Zechariah 4:6

6Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.

As long as you walk in the Spirit you will not sin, the moment you begin to trust in your own strength and wisdom you will fail.
 
Originally posted by: Nik
So YOU can resist sin? You, out of your own power, can resist sin? Then why did Christ need to die on the cross if you can just resist it and be without sin?
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Of course I can resist sin, and so can you. Can I resist sin all by myself? Not always. We can pray to God and ask for strength to resist sin AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. You still haven't answered my question about why God would give us rules that we can't keep.

Why did Christ need to die on the cross? We have two major obstacles in life, spiritual death (sin) and physical death. Without Christ's suffering in the Garden of Gethsemane, we wouldn't be able to repent of our sins. Without Christ's resurrection, we wouldn't be able to have life after death.

We do our best to resist sin and Christ makes up the difference.
 
Originally posted by: 1prophet
As long as you walk in the Spirit you will not sin, the moment you begin to trust in your own strength and wisdom you will fail.
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Exactly. I don't have the power to resist sin myself. The only way I have a chance at resisting sin at all is with help from Christ. Exactly what I've been saying the whole time.
 
I personally think Mormons choose to live a different life just like all other denom. here in america. If you don't like a religion you can start your own and make up stuff to support the reason to do it.

Object is to get as many people as you can to agree with you so you can bicker about someone elses religion
 
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Nah, just another sheeple church, where they take 10% of your money.
C'mon, you guys really believe that a prophet named Joseph Smith, was really a prophet?
Do you believe they really found those gold plates?

I've asked the question, of where those gold plates might be, to several Mormons over the years. They don't exist, as they are supposedly sealed up in heaven.

I personally feel that the Mormon church is tilted about as far "out there" as any.

My view is, that organized religion is a way of management of masses, as well as a way to extract money. I don't believe in organized religion, as I feel if one has a relationship with his maker, then it's one which is personal.
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Actually mainstream christianity considers mormonism a cult, not a church.
If one were to do an actual study of Joseph Smith and ole phony Maroni...its pretty obvious he was a charlaton...although Brigham Young tried to clean the image up later.

I remember when I was young and foolish, and lived in Salt Lake City, we used to go on the temple tours to actually tell people about Jesus.
Once I came up to this fellow in a suit in front of the main building and started telling him how much Jesus loved him and wanted to know him in a personal way.

He crossed his arms and glared down at me and said " Young Man, this is the living room of the Mormon Church. You can't talk like that in here!"

Turned out he was a deacon there. After a couple more attempts to convince him that Jesus loved him, we were asked to leave.


I remember we used to get a big kick out of standing across the street towards the Salt Palace and the corner buttress of the temple if you looked at it just right, the roof portion looked like a guy with a big dopey smile.
First time we noticed we stopped a few people and asked if they had ever noticed it, they would stare for a couple of minutes and then it was like oh yeah!
Was hilarious when you saw it.
 
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: 1prophet
As long as you walk in the Spirit you will not sin, the moment you begin to trust in your own strength and wisdom you will fail.
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Exactly. I don't have the power to resist sin myself. The only way I have a chance at resisting sin at all is with help from Christ. Exactly what I've been saying the whole time.
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But everybody has a weakness for different sins.

Lets say homosexuality is a sin. I will tell you that I do not need the help of Christ in any way shape or form to keep myself from participating in that. I have no desire to participate and need no help in staying away from it. [this seems an awful lot like the power to resist sin myself, does it not?]
 
Originally posted by: Alienwho
But everybody has a weakness for different sins.

Lets say homosexuality is a sin. I will tell you that I do not need the help of Christ in any way shape or form to keep myself from participating in that. I have no desire to participate and need no help in staying away from it. [this seems an awful lot like the power to resist sin myself, does it not?]
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Pointless symantics. Sin in general. Just because you can resist boning some dude in the ass doesn't mean you have power to resist sin.
 
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
What does everyone know (or think they know) about this church? I've been thinking about joining on the basis that they seem to be the purest of all chuches and getting to go across the world on a funded mission would be pretty fun.
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Perhaps someone's mentioned this, but at least in my case, my parents would've paid for my mission if I had gone. Maybe if you can't afford it the church helps you out though. I don't know.
 
So what your saying is: Just because I can resist a sin, doesn't mean I don't have the power to resist sin? Cause that's what I read.
 
Originally posted by: Alienwho
So what your saying is: Just because I can resist a sin, doesn't mean I don't have the power to resist sin? Cause that's what I read.
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"resist sin" refers to sin as a whole, not specific sins. Just because I don't have the urge to kill 50,000 people with a lawn mower doesn't mean I have the ability to resist sin and "be without sin."

You're just being silly.
 
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