Mormons

[imported_Scourge]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
And, Brigham Young is thought to be a murderer. link

Holy fsck :shocked:

There have been a few things like that. It's why I suggested Under the Banner- that book goes over the Lafferty brothers, Colorado City, the wagon train massacre, Elizabeth Smart, etc. As well as the history of the religion

 

[Bartino]

there is not one single organization in existence that doesnt have skeletons in its closet, whether true or false, it is hard to make an opinion based on what you see on TV or hear on the news. No matter what you are considering for your life, if you see that it is going to make you a better person than go for it. for a lot of people that thing isn't the mormon church, but whatever they are involved with that is helping them is great and i wouldnt ever want to talk them out of it, so why try and do that to someone who is thinking about joining a church because they think it can help them?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Bartino
there is not one single organization in existence that doesnt have skeletons in its closet, whether true or false, it is hard to make an opinion based on what you see on TV or hear on the news. No matter what you are considering for your life, if you see that it is going to make you a better person than go for it. for a lot of people that thing isn't the mormon church, but whatever they are involved with that is helping them is great and i wouldnt ever want to talk them out of it.

That is exactly why I reject organized religion.

 

[Bartino]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Bartino
there is not one single organization in existence that doesnt have skeletons in its closet, whether true or false, it is hard to make an opinion based on what you see on TV or hear on the news. No matter what you are considering for your life, if you see that it is going to make you a better person than go for it. for a lot of people that thing isn't the mormon church, but whatever they are involved with that is helping them is great and i wouldnt ever want to talk them out of it.

That is exactly why I reject organized religion.

dude i totally agree that organized religion has caused a lot of problems in the world. wars and other terrible things were done in the name of God and religion. i guess it all goes back to personal beliefs and seeing what is helpign you in your life and what is holding you back

 

[imported_Scourge]

Originally posted by: Bartino
there is not one single organization in existence that doesnt have skeletons in its closet, whether true or false, it is hard to make an opinion based on what you see on TV or hear on the news. No matter what you are considering for your life, if you see that it is going to make you a better person than go for it. for a lot of people that thing isn't the mormon church, but whatever they are involved with that is helping them is great and i wouldnt ever want to talk them out of it, so why try and do that to someone who is thinking about joining a church because they think it can help them?

If you are going to devote yourself to something, espcially a religion, then you need to educate yourself. I'm not trying to talk him out of it, but to make sure he knows what he's getting itno. Just because some recruiters have made you think its a good idea, does not make it true.

Edit- If he goes through and looked at this from every angle, does not make a rash decision based on the words of a few people(Me included), and then joins the church, I would say he did a very good job.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: reverend boltron

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: fitzov
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormons

My thoughts? Well, I'm a non-practicing catholic that has no faith in any institutionalized religion--you can pretty much guess what my thoughts are.

I don't understand how people can be non-practicing catholics. Catholic isn't genetic... it's not something you can be a part of unwillingly. It's a faith. If you're not practicing, you're not a catholic.

Let us say that you were a Catholic when you were a kid, until you were about 19, then you went off to college, and eventually stopped going to church because of whatever reasons. Then eventually you stopped practicing everything else and really holding up to the whole being Catholic besides going to church, like, no prayer, works, etc., but you still held to the beliefs. That would make you a non-practicing Catholic.

If you held to the beliefs, you would be attending Mass weekly and Confession at least once per year. Mass isn't 'optional'.

Edit: Let's not get off topic, though. 🙂

 

[Bartino]

Originally posted by: Scourge

Originally posted by: Bartino
there is not one single organization in existence that doesnt have skeletons in its closet, whether true or false, it is hard to make an opinion based on what you see on TV or hear on the news. No matter what you are considering for your life, if you see that it is going to make you a better person than go for it. for a lot of people that thing isn't the mormon church, but whatever they are involved with that is helping them is great and i wouldnt ever want to talk them out of it, so why try and do that to someone who is thinking about joining a church because they think it can help them?

If you are going to devote yourself to something, espcially a religion, then you need to educate yourself. I'm not trying to talk him out of it, but to make sure he knows what he's getting itno. Just because some recruiters have made you think its a good idea, does not make it true.

agreed, but it sounds like he does understand what he would be doing, seeing as he has been able to answer questions and defend what he thinks is right

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Bartino
you wont find a single thing that says that the ultimate objective of a mormon is to dethrone God.

Not in those words, but nobody is saying so. Who said it does? You cannot and never will be equal with God. You will never become "a" god.

 

[Bartino]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Bartino
you wont find a single thing that says that the ultimate objective of a mormon is to dethrone God.

Not in those words, but nobody is saying so. Who said it does? You cannot and never will be equal with God. You will never become "a" god.

is our purpose in life not to become like God?

 

[SociallyChallenged]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I've been thinking about joining on the basis that they seem to be the purest of all chuches and getting to go across the world on a funded mission would be pretty fun.

Actually, missions aren't funded by the church for the mostpart. They're funded either by your parents or by yourself. My best friend is Mormon and his dad is paying pretty big bucks for his other son to be in the West Indies on his mission right now.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Bartino

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Bartino
you wont find a single thing that says that the ultimate objective of a mormon is to dethrone God.

Not in those words, but nobody is saying so. Who said it does? You cannot and never will be equal with God. You will never become "a" god.

is our purpose in life not to become like God?

You would be correct in believing that it is our purpose to follow the teachings of Christ and the will of God. You wouuld be incorrect in believing that it is our purpose to become God or become like God. Man will never, *ever* be able to accomplish as much because of his carnal nature.

 

[fitzov]

Originally posted by: reverend boltron

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: fitzov
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormons

My thoughts? Well, I'm a non-practicing catholic that has no faith in any institutionalized religion--you can pretty much guess what my thoughts are.

I don't understand how people can be non-practicing catholics. Catholic isn't genetic... it's not something you can be a part of unwillingly. It's a faith. If you're not practicing, you're not a catholic.

Let us say that you were a Catholic when you were a kid, until you were about 19, then you went off to college, and eventually stopped going to church because of whatever reasons. Then eventually you stopped practicing everything else and really holding up to the whole being Catholic besides going to church, like, no prayer, works, etc., but you still held to the beliefs. That would make you a non-practicing Catholic.

Actually, it's even simpler than that--I was baptized and confirmed. I could go to confession at any time and I'd be pure as the driven snow in the eyes of the Church. Would I then be catholic? That's silly--I am a catholic--I just see a difference between being religious and being a part of a religion.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
What does everyone know (or think they know) about this church? I've been thinking about joining on the basis that they seem to be the purest of all chuches and getting to go across the world on a funded mission would be pretty fun.

I know quite a bit about the religion now, but I'm here to discuss some of the myths and fallacies about mormons and the LDS church...and I'm here to defend it.

Well, what's everyones thoughts?

You're a Republican, aren't you? Shouldn't you be out slaving away, hoping to become one rich people?

 

[Saysys]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Bartino

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Bartino
you wont find a single thing that says that the ultimate objective of a mormon is to dethrone God.

Not in those words, but nobody is saying so. Who said it does? You cannot and never will be equal with God. You will never become "a" god.

is our purpose in life not to become like God?

You would be correct in believing that it is our purpose to follow the teachings of Christ and the will of God. You wouuld be incorrect in believing that it is our purpose to become God or become like God. Man will never, *ever* be able to accomplish as much because of his carnal nature.

Doctrine and Covenants 130:
"As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become.''

Faith in your own good works to bring you closer to God, instead of un-warranted grace because God loves us, is what makes the Mormon church one that helps send people to there own destruction.

Behaving as Christ on earth is being like God.
Thinking you should have the power and authority over creation that God does? that?s Lucifer?s job.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: fitzov

Originally posted by: reverend boltron

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: fitzov
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormons

My thoughts? Well, I'm a non-practicing catholic that has no faith in any institutionalized religion--you can pretty much guess what my thoughts are.

I don't understand how people can be non-practicing catholics. Catholic isn't genetic... it's not something you can be a part of unwillingly. It's a faith. If you're not practicing, you're not a catholic.

Let us say that you were a Catholic when you were a kid, until you were about 19, then you went off to college, and eventually stopped going to church because of whatever reasons. Then eventually you stopped practicing everything else and really holding up to the whole being Catholic besides going to church, like, no prayer, works, etc., but you still held to the beliefs. That would make you a non-practicing Catholic.

Actually, it's even simpler than that--I was baptized and confirmed. I could go to confession at any time and I'd be pure as the driven snow in the eyes of the Church. Would I then be catholic? That's silly--I am a catholic--I just see a difference between being religious and being a part of a religion.

Baptism locking you into religion? That's getting into predestination and whether you can lose your salvation or not.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Saysys

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Bartino

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Bartino
you wont find a single thing that says that the ultimate objective of a mormon is to dethrone God.

Not in those words, but nobody is saying so. Who said it does? You cannot and never will be equal with God. You will never become "a" god.

is our purpose in life not to become like God?

You would be correct in believing that it is our purpose to follow the teachings of Christ and the will of God. You wouuld be incorrect in believing that it is our purpose to become God or become like God. Man will never, *ever* be able to accomplish as much because of his carnal nature.

Doctrine and Covenants 130:
"As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become.''

Faith in your own good works to bring you closer to God, instead of un-warranted grace because God loves us, is what makes the Mormon church one that helps send people to there own destruction.

Fail. Try quoting from the Bible. God cannot have been like man at any point because god does not and cannot have a carnal nature.

 

[Bartino]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Saysys

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Bartino

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Bartino
you wont find a single thing that says that the ultimate objective of a mormon is to dethrone God.

Not in those words, but nobody is saying so. Who said it does? You cannot and never will be equal with God. You will never become "a" god.

is our purpose in life not to become like God?

You would be correct in believing that it is our purpose to follow the teachings of Christ and the will of God. You wouuld be incorrect in believing that it is our purpose to become God or become like God. Man will never, *ever* be able to accomplish as much because of his carnal nature.

Doctrine and Covenants 130:
"As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become.''

Faith in your own good works to bring you closer to God, instead of un-warranted grace because God loves us, is what makes the Mormon church one that helps send people to there own destruction.

Fail. Try quoting from the Bible. God cannot have been like man at any point because god does not and cannot have a carnal nature.

hahaha D&C 130? that is too funny. not sure where the source is on that, but that is said no where in the whole D&C

 

[Bartino]

and in answer to your question, Christ in the Bible says that he thought it not robbery to consider us equal with God

 

[Dr. Detroit]

A years supply of food waiting for Armageddon = CULT!
Special Underwaer = CULT!
White suits to enter the temple = CULT!
Procreate as mauch as possible to populate the earth as Mormons are the chosens one and will survuve the Armageddon = CULT!
Special handshakes and a special name = CULT!

The promise if your good enough to get your own planet/galaxy upon death = CULT!

 

[Dissipate]

If you join the church of LDS, no caffeine for you!

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: Dissipate
If you join the church of LDS, no caffeine for you!

I was told that drinking caffeine and stuff like that wasn't against the mormon teachings, but rather was just advised against as being poor to health. It's nothing to repent for....am i right?

 

[Bartino]

i drink pepsi and mountain dew and there is nothing wrong with that. people assume that since we dont drink coffee that it is ALL caffinated stuff.

 

[FeuerFrei]

Originally posted by: Bartino
and in answer to your question, Christ in the Bible says that he thought it not robbery to consider us equal with God

If Mormons teach this it just shows how they pervert the Bible. It says Jesus thought it not robbery to claim to be equal to God. NOT "we" equal to God. Jesus was God, not just a believer in Him. Either LDS is claiming Jesus wasn't God, or they are elevating humans to "god" status.

 

[Bartino]

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei

Originally posted by: Bartino
and in answer to your question, Christ in the Bible says that he thought it not robbery to consider us equal with God

If Mormons teach this it just shows how they pervert the Bible. It says Jesus thought it not robbery to claim to be equal to God. NOT "we" equal to God. Jesus was God, not just a believer in Him. Either LDS is claiming Jesus wasn't God, or they are elevating humans to "god" status.

this is exactly why it is impossible to settle things with the Bible. over every retranslation and whatever else, it has been opened up to so much personal interpretation. i can make the Bible prove my side just as easily as you can make it prove yours. you never get anywhere arguing the Bible, because it always has another scripture to refute the one you just used

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Bartino

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei

Originally posted by: Bartino
and in answer to your question, Christ in the Bible says that he thought it not robbery to consider us equal with God

If Mormons teach this it just shows how they pervert the Bible. It says Jesus thought it not robbery to claim to be equal to God. NOT "we" equal to God. Jesus was God, not just a believer in Him. Either LDS is claiming Jesus wasn't God, or they are elevating humans to "god" status.

this is exactly why it is impossible to settle things with the Bible. over every retranslation and whatever else, it has been opened up to so much personal interpretation. i can make the Bible prove my side just as easily as you can make it prove yours. you never get anywhere arguing the Bible, because it always has another scripture to refute the one you just used

which is why it's so important to pray for guidance in interpretation instead of inventing your own book and twist the Bible even further