More violent rhetoric and hatred in the Muslim world

Bumrush99

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LINK TO ARTICLE

For those that don't want to click the link. The bolded parts really stand out, these people are dangerous and need to be dealt with accordingly.

I especially love the Inman that talks about how Europeans "hurt" their poor feelings like they were little children that were scolded. Funny that most of these people remain silent when people die.

GAZA CITY (AP) -- Tens of thousands of angry Muslims marched through Palestinian cities, burning the Danish flag and calling for vengeance Friday against European countries where caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad were published.

Angry protests against the drawings spread in the Muslim world.

In Washington, the State Department criticized the drawings, calling them "offensive to the beliefs of Muslims."

In Iraq, thousands demonstrated after Friday mosque prayers, and the country's leading Shiite cleric denounced the drawings. About 4,500 people rallied in the southern city of Basra and burned the Danish flag.

Muslims in Turkey, Pakistan, Indonesia and Malaysia demonstrated against the European nations whose papers published the caricatures, including one depicting the Muslim prophet wearing a turban fashioned into a bomb.

The drawings first appeared in a Danish paper in September but were reprinted this week in papers in Norway, France, Germany and even Jordan after Muslims decried the images as insulting.

Dutch-language newspapers in Belgium and two Italian right-wing papers reprinted the drawings on Friday. The Italian papers also ran editorials criticizing European media for giving in to pressure over the drawings.

Islamic law, based on clerics' interpretation of the Quran and the sayings of the prophet, forbids depiction's of the Prophet Mohammad and other major religious figures -- even positive ones -- to prevent idolatry. Shiite Muslim clerics differ in that they allow images of their greatest saint, Ali, the prophet's son-in-law, though not Mohammad.

Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen, in a meeting with Egypt's ambassador, reiterated his stance that the government cannot interfere with issues concerning the press. On Monday, he said his government could not apologize on behalf of a newspaper, but that he personally "never would have depicted Muhammad, Jesus or any other religious character in a way that could offend other people."

While recognizing the importance of freedom of the press and expression, U.S. State Department press officer Janelle Hironimus said these rights must be coupled with press responsibility.

"Inciting religious or ethnic hatred in this manner is not acceptable," Hironimus said. "We call for tolerance and respect for all communities and for their religious beliefs and practices."

Early Friday, Palestinian militants threw a bomb at a French cultural center in Gaza City, and many Palestinians began boycotting European goods, especially those from Denmark.

"Whoever defames our prophet should be executed," said Ismail Hassan, 37, a tailor who marched through the pouring rain along with hundreds of others in the West Bank city of Ramallah.

"Bin Laden our beloved, Denmark must be blown up," protesters in Ramallah chanted.

An imam at the Omari Mosque in Gaza City told 9,000 worshippers that those behind them should have their heads cut off.

"If they want a war of religions, we are ready," Hassan Sharaf, an imam in Nablus, said in his sermon.

About 10,000 demonstrators, including gunmen from the Islamic militant group Hamas firing in the air, marched through Gaza City to the Palestinian legislature, where they climbed on the roof, waving green Hamas banners and chanting "Down, Down Denmark!"

Thousands protested in Nablus and Jenin, burning Danish flags and dairy products.

Fearing violence, Israel barred all Palestinians under age 45 from praying at Jerusalem's Al Aqsa Mosque compound, Islam's third holiest site.

Nevertheless, about 100 men chanting Islamic slogans and carrying a green Hamas flag demonstrated outside Jerusalem's Old City on Friday afternoon. The crowd scattered when police on horseback arrived, and some of the protesters threw rocks.

In Iraq, both Shiite and Sunni preachers spoke out against the drawings during Friday prayers, with many calling for a boycott of Danish goods. In Baghdad's Sunni Arab stronghold of Azamiyah, about 600 protesters outside a mosque burned a Danish flag and boxes of Danish cheese.

The country's top Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, decried the drawings but did not call for protests.

"We strongly denounce and condemn this horrific action," he said in a statement posted on his Web site and dated Tuesday.

Al-Sistani, who wields enormous influence over Iraq's majority Shiites, suggested militant Muslims were partly to blame. He referred to "misguided and oppressive" segments of the Muslim community and said their actions "projected a distorted and dark image of the faith of justice, love and brotherhood."

The drawings were first published in September in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten. The issue reignited last week after Saudi Arabia recalled its ambassador to Denmark and many European newspapers reprinted them this week.

The Jyllands-Posten said it had asked cartoonists to draw images of the prophet "to examine whether people would succumb to self-censorship, as we have seen in other cases when it comes to Muslim issues."

Turkey's Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan was quoted as saying the caricatures are an attack on "our spiritual values," adding they had damaged efforts to establish an alliance between the Muslim world and Europe. Hundreds of Turks emerging from mosques following Friday prayers staged demonstrations, including one in front of the Danish consulate in Istanbul.

In the Indonesian capital Jakarta, more than 150 hardline Muslims stormed a high-rise building housing the Danish Embassy and tore down and burned the country's white and red flag. The government ordered police to upgrade security at embassies across the capital.

Pakistan's parliament unanimously voted to condemn the drawings as a "vicious, outrageous and provocative campaign" that has "hurt the faith and feelings of Muslims all over the world." About 800 people protested in Islamabad, chanting "Death to Denmark" and "Death to France." Another rally in the southern city of Karachi drew 1,200.

Fundamentalist Muslims protested outside the Danish Embassy in Malaysia, chanting "Long live Islam, destroy our enemies."

In Europe, senior British, French and Italian officials criticized the drawings. Austria, which holds the European Union presidency, expressed concern over the escalating crisis.

"I believe that the republication of these cartoons has been unnecessary, it has been insensitive, it has been disrespectful and it has been wrong," British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said.

In London, hundreds of demonstrators converged on Denmark's Embassy and burned the Danish flag. Women wearing headscarves chanted and held banners proclaiming: "Kill the one who insults the Prophet."
 

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In Iraq, thousands demonstrated after Friday mosque prayers, and the country's leading Shiite cleric denounced the drawings. About 4,500 people rallied in the southern city of Basra and burned the Danish flag.

Look at the bright side here. At least these people can now march and protest.




On topic: Get over it. Muslims think that the world is theirs to control and dictate to. Fact is, they are 20% of the world and most of us want nothing to do with their hateful religion. The protest in England showcased signs such as - 'Europe - remember the lessons of 9/11' and 'We will kill all unbelievers'. Nice way to protest.

No wonder the world hates Islam. It is a dreadful religion that always gravitates towards hate, murder, and evil. I can't think of a single situation like this where Muslims did not react violently.
 

Ronstang

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They only think they want a war of religions. They have vast numbers but they are uneducated sheep who would be ineffectual at best in a conflict.....the Western world would obliterate them in a true war. These guys are simply too stupid for their own good.
 

StinkyPinky

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Let's see...on one side we have armies of highly trained and well equipped soldiers backed up with high tech airforces and navies.....against the other side of poorly trained street kids armed with anything they can get hold of.
 

rahvin

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Originally posted by: Frackal
True, it would likely be a rather short war..

It would be a very sad massacre of many poor, uneducated people who were incited to violence by a select few who would stand back and watch it unfold.
 

Bumrush99

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Originally posted by: Frackal
True, it would likely be a rather short war..

The kill to death ratio would be something along the lines of 500 to 1 in favor of the superior western technology, equipment and leadership.

All of this flexing of imaginary muscle serves the ruling class and the religous elite in these countries by deflecting off the real issues. If it wasn't the cartoons it would be about the Zionists, if it wasn't about the Zionists it would be about the Americans, if it wasn't about the Americans it would be about the Indians, if it wasn't about the Indians it would be about the Russians, if it wasn't about the Russians it would be Buddhists, ect ect ect ect
 

rchiu

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Originally posted by: rahvin
Originally posted by: Frackal
True, it would likely be a rather short war..

It would be a very sad massacre of many poor, uneducated people who were incited to violence by a select few who would stand back and watch it unfold.

Ha, Danmark is the one drawing the insulting cartoon and you put the blame on the Muslim. Yeap, West never does anything wrong, West never killed a single Muslim, it's always been the Muslim that kills Westerner.

Talking about massacres, maybe the US should take care of business in Iraq before you can make the claim you can wipe out the entire religion without problem.
 

thraashman

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The problem with how everyone in this thread is reacting so far is that none of you seem to realize just how offensive it is to these people. I know very well that even I can't realize how offensive it is to them, but I'm trying to.

Let me give an example and link a website here.

Go to that link, and if you're Christian, tell me that it doesn't offend you to at least some degree. The creator of that website posts many of his hate mails, and a lot of the hate mail he receives is Christians telling him he deserves to die for that. Now imagine if this were to be printed in the New York Times as a cut out and tell me there wouldn't be a HUGE backlash about how offensive it is.

And I didn't post that link to offend anyone so I'm sorry if I did, but I needed to do something to help prove my point.
 

AntaresVI

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Originally posted by: thraashman
The problem with how everyone in this thread is reacting so far is that none of you seem to realize just how offensive it is to these people. I know very well that even I can't realize how offensive it is to them, but I'm trying to.

Let me give an example and link a website here.

Go to that link, and if you're Christian, tell me that it doesn't offend you to at least some degree. The creator of that website posts many of his hate mails, and a lot of the hate mail he receives is Christians telling him he deserves to die for that. Now imagine if this were to be printed in the New York Times as a cut out and tell me there wouldn't be a HUGE backlash about how offensive it is.

And I didn't post that link to offend anyone so I'm sorry if I did, but I needed to do something to help prove my point.

But the point is that in our society, he's absolutely free to do that, without fear of violent backlash. People are free to denounce him and to hate him, but not to harm him. Welcome to freedom.
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: thraashman
The problem with how everyone in this thread is reacting so far is that none of you seem to realize just how offensive it is to these people. I know very well that even I can't realize how offensive it is to them, but I'm trying to.

Let me give an example and link a website here.

Go to that link, and if you're Christian, tell me that it doesn't offend you to at least some degree. The creator of that website posts many of his hate mails, and a lot of the hate mail he receives is Christians telling him he deserves to die for that. Now imagine if this were to be printed in the New York Times as a cut out and tell me there wouldn't be a HUGE backlash about how offensive it is.

And I didn't post that link to offend anyone so I'm sorry if I did, but I needed to do something to help prove my point.
hehe I am christian and I find that freakin hilarious!

thanks for the link!!!

 

episodic

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Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: thraashman
The problem with how everyone in this thread is reacting so far is that none of you seem to realize just how offensive it is to these people. I know very well that even I can't realize how offensive it is to them, but I'm trying to.

Let me give an example and link a website here.

Go to that link, and if you're Christian, tell me that it doesn't offend you to at least some degree. The creator of that website posts many of his hate mails, and a lot of the hate mail he receives is Christians telling him he deserves to die for that. Now imagine if this were to be printed in the New York Times as a cut out and tell me there wouldn't be a HUGE backlash about how offensive it is.

And I didn't post that link to offend anyone so I'm sorry if I did, but I needed to do something to help prove my point.
hehe I am christian and I find that freakin hilarious!

thanks for the link!!!


I'm not religious. My wife is deeply Catholic. She thought that was funny as heck. She doen't want to kill anyone. Sorry.
 

Starbuck1975

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Ha, Danmark is the one drawing the insulting cartoon and you put the blame on the Muslim. Yeap, West never does anything wrong, West never killed a single Muslim, it's always been the Muslim that kills Westerner.
A call for violence is a reasonable response to a political cartoon?

Talking about massacres, maybe the US should take care of business in Iraq before you can make the claim you can wipe out the entire religion without problem.
Wiping out the population in Iraq would be fairly easy...wouldn't even have to commit many boots to the ground...it is stabilizing Iraq and ensuring that the innocent people there have an opportunity for self determination, free of fanatics and tyrants, that poses a challenge.

We could wipe Islam off the face of the map with the touch of a button should we so choose to.

 

imported_Aelius

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Ha, Danmark is the one drawing the insulting cartoon and you put the blame on the Muslim. Yeap, West never does anything wrong, West never killed a single Muslim, it's always been the Muslim that kills Westerner.
A call for violence is a reasonable response to a political cartoon?

Talking about massacres, maybe the US should take care of business in Iraq before you can make the claim you can wipe out the entire religion without problem.
Wiping out the population in Iraq would be fairly easy...wouldn't even have to commit many boots to the ground...it is stabilizing Iraq and ensuring that the innocent people there have an opportunity for self determination, free of fanatics and tyrants, that poses a challenge.

We could wipe Islam off the face of the map with the touch of a button should we so choose to.

Lets not generalize ok? There are plenty of Muslims around who wish to co-exist with others in peace. What we DO need to do is deal with the fanatics. They are getting away with far too much far too easily.

I mean how can someone walk down the streets of London preaching genocide uppon others? Doesn't anyone find something wrong with that?
 

Starbuck1975

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Go to that link, and if you're Christian, tell me that it doesn't offend you to at least some degree. The creator of that website posts many of his hate mails, and a lot of the hate mail he receives is Christians telling him he deserves to die for that. Now imagine if this were to be printed in the New York Times as a cut out and tell me there wouldn't be a HUGE backlash about how offensive it is.
There would be a backlash, but I doubt that backlash would entail mass protests calling for revenge and violence...you might get the fringe Christian nutjob who might try something stupid, but you wouldn't have mass protests of Christians advocating murder, destruction, massacre and other acts of violence.

Also, images offensive to Christians HAVE hit the media...sure there was a response, but not to the extent we are seeing over these Mohammed cartoons.

Like This One

And This One
 

episodic

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Go to that link, and if you're Christian, tell me that it doesn't offend you to at least some degree. The creator of that website posts many of his hate mails, and a lot of the hate mail he receives is Christians telling him he deserves to die for that. Now imagine if this were to be printed in the New York Times as a cut out and tell me there wouldn't be a HUGE backlash about how offensive it is.
There would be a backlash, but I doubt that backlash would entail mass protests calling for revenge and violence...you might get the fringe Christian nutjob who might try something stupid, but you wouldn't have mass protests of Christians advocating murder, destruction, massacre and other acts of violence.

Also, images offensive to Christians HAVE hit the media...sure there was a response, but not to the extent we are seeing over these Mohammed cartoons.

Like This One

And This One


You showed some articles, now show people advocating a genocide or terrorism because of it.
 

episodic

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Originally posted by: Aelius
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Ha, Danmark is the one drawing the insulting cartoon and you put the blame on the Muslim. Yeap, West never does anything wrong, West never killed a single Muslim, it's always been the Muslim that kills Westerner.
A call for violence is a reasonable response to a political cartoon?

Talking about massacres, maybe the US should take care of business in Iraq before you can make the claim you can wipe out the entire religion without problem.
Wiping out the population in Iraq would be fairly easy...wouldn't even have to commit many boots to the ground...it is stabilizing Iraq and ensuring that the innocent people there have an opportunity for self determination, free of fanatics and tyrants, that poses a challenge.

We could wipe Islam off the face of the map with the touch of a button should we so choose to.

Lets not generalize ok? There are plenty of Muslims around who wish to co-exist with others in peace. What we DO need to do is deal with the fanatics. They are getting away with far too much far too easily.

I mean how can someone walk down the streets of London preaching genocide uppon others? Doesn't anyone find something wrong with that?


I don't understand why this would not be tolerated in reverse - but is tolerated like this.
 

imported_Aelius

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Originally posted by: episodic
Originally posted by: Aelius
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Ha, Danmark is the one drawing the insulting cartoon and you put the blame on the Muslim. Yeap, West never does anything wrong, West never killed a single Muslim, it's always been the Muslim that kills Westerner.
A call for violence is a reasonable response to a political cartoon?

Talking about massacres, maybe the US should take care of business in Iraq before you can make the claim you can wipe out the entire religion without problem.
Wiping out the population in Iraq would be fairly easy...wouldn't even have to commit many boots to the ground...it is stabilizing Iraq and ensuring that the innocent people there have an opportunity for self determination, free of fanatics and tyrants, that poses a challenge.

We could wipe Islam off the face of the map with the touch of a button should we so choose to.

Lets not generalize ok? There are plenty of Muslims around who wish to co-exist with others in peace. What we DO need to do is deal with the fanatics. They are getting away with far too much far too easily.

I mean how can someone walk down the streets of London preaching genocide uppon others? Doesn't anyone find something wrong with that?


I don't understand why this would not be tolerated in reverse - but is tolerated like this.

Well you try to pull this sh!t in Canada you end up on a one way ticket back to whatever country you came from. Citizenship revoked. That's after you spend some time in jail.
 

rchiu

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
A call for violence is a reasonable response to a political cartoon?
Why not, a "call" is their right to exercise their freedom of speech right? and any violence resulted from the call isn't their responsibility, just like the violence reulted from the cartoon isn't Danish newspaper's repsonsibility.

We could wipe Islam off the face of the map with the touch of a button should we so choose to.

Yeah, don't forget to wipe out New York, LA and other major cities where hundreds of thousand Muslim live.
 

mOeeOm

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We could wipe Islam off the face of the map with the touch of a button should we so choose to.

I would love to see the west to even try that :).
 

Rainsford

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I don't exactly support the kind of protests we're seeing here, but I think two things are important here.

1) People asking for examples of Muslims reacting normally to things like this, how about this situation? People are focusing on the protestors instead of the vastly large number of Muslims who might have been slightly offended and gone about their business. This doesn't mean the protestors aren't a problem, but making this about their entire religion seems a bit strange to me. Of course it happens every time any Muslims do anything, perhaps people are simply trying to justify their religious bigotry? Yes, this kind of thing does tend to bring out crazy Muslims in a way that similar situations don't seem to affect other world religions. But that simply means that a nutbag religious person is more likely to be a Muslims, it doesn't mean a Muslim is more likely to be a nutbag. As some poster said, they are about 20% of the world's population, the vast, VAST majority of whom aren't calling for jihad or another 9/11. I realize this is harder to think about than finding a group it's PC to hate, but just try, trust me.

2) Has anyone thought that maybe their reaction has something to do with their situation in the world? There are a lot of them, but as a society they mostly have no power at all. Their countries are ruled by repressive regimes, and they aren't all that hot stuff to being with. Isn't it possible that the reason Christians don't react like this is that Christians HAVE most of the power in the world? Look at how nuts certain US Christians are getting over Christmas...and they have the vast majority of the power and influence in this country. Imagine if they were some powerless minority? I'm not saying there would be calls for holy war, but I'm not sure it would be too far off either.

None of this excuses the violent extremists. But it should make you think about the big picture, someone very few people seem to be doing.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
I don't exactly support the kind of protests we're seeing here, but I think two things are important here.

1) People asking for examples of Muslims reacting normally to things like this, how about this situation? People are focusing on the protestors instead of the vastly large number of Muslims who might have been slightly offended and gone about their business. This doesn't mean the protestors aren't a problem, but making this about their entire religion seems a bit strange to me. Of course it happens every time any Muslims do anything, perhaps people are simply trying to justify their religious bigotry? Yes, this kind of thing does tend to bring out crazy Muslims in a way that similar situations don't seem to affect other world religions. But that simply means that a nutbag religious person is more likely to be a Muslims, it doesn't mean a Muslim is more likely to be a nutbag. As some poster said, they are about 20% of the world's population, the vast, VAST majority of whom aren't calling for jihad or another 9/11. I realize this is harder to think about than finding a group it's PC to hate, but just try, trust me.

2) Has anyone thought that maybe their reaction has something to do with their situation in the world? There are a lot of them, but as a society they mostly have no power at all. Their countries are ruled by repressive regimes, and they aren't all that hot stuff to being with. Isn't it possible that the reason Christians don't react like this is that Christians HAVE most of the power in the world? Look at how nuts certain US Christians are getting over Christmas...and they have the vast majority of the power and influence in this country. Imagine if they were some powerless minority? I'm not saying there would be calls for holy war, but I'm not sure it would be too far off either.

None of this excuses the violent extremists. But it should make you think about the big picture, someone very few people seem to be doing.

I think that many posters are focusing on other forum posters and their belief that free speech should be restricted to blasphemy, not on the protestors.