More UAW workers bankrupt

[spidey07]

And you guys didn't believe me when I expounded on how much money these guys make (the ones on the floor.)

And to tell you the truth 500K in debt isn't that much. A house and a few cars are easily there, espeically if you throw in a boat to boot.

but then again, living beyond your means is living beyond your means no matter how much you make.

 

[spidey07]

And you guys didn't believe me when I expounded on how much money these guys make (the ones on the floor.)

And to tell you the truth 500K in debt isn't that much. A house and a few cars are easily there, espeically if you throw in a boat to boot.

but then again, living beyond your means is living beyond your means no matter how much you make.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: Mill

So since you can refute anything you respond with name-calling. Great logical fallacy there!

The only fallacy going on here is your ability to still post on this board...

You just spew misinformation and hate, it is quite sickening.

Where is there misinformation. Are you denying that Union dues have been used to influence Poltical Leaders illegally? Are you denying Organized Crime links to Unions? Are you denying that Union Leaders have padded their pockets with those dues? All this is common knowledge, and you don't have a single idea of what a fallacy is.

You are entirely ignorant in every thread you post in. Where's that M4H Picture when you need it?

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: spidey07
And you guys didn't believe me when I expounded on how much money these guys make (the ones on the floor.)

And to tell you the truth 500K in debt isn't that much. A house and a few cars are easily there, espeically if you throw in a boat to boot.

but then again, living beyond your means is living beyond your means no matter how much you make.

no equity in the house?

 

[Viperoni]

No way I'm gonna feel sorry for a guy who makes at least triple my wage and was stupid with his money.

 

[sniperruff]

$87k for riding a forklift. and i went through college like a sucker to get $32k. damn.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: spidey07
And you guys didn't believe me when I expounded on how much money these guys make (the ones on the floor.)

And to tell you the truth 500K in debt isn't that much. A house and a few cars are easily there, espeically if you throw in a boat to boot.

but then again, living beyond your means is living beyond your means no matter how much you make.

no equity in the house?

If you are 500K in debt it just means you owe 500K.

It doesn't count assets, IMHO. It just means "you owe". I mean I'm probably 300K or more in debt - doesn't make it a bad thing.

 

[SeaMonki]

no sympathy here either, if he's making $40k then it's reasonable. I give those auto unions another 5 years before it self destruct from angry laid off members.

 

[iversonyin]

UAW loser

 

[Rogue]

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: Rogue
What a fvcking minute! This guy is a forklift operator and was making over $100,000.00 a year? Gee, I wonder how much of his union dues could have gone into savings or investment vs. being largely wasted on a union happy to help him file for bankruptcy and give him a false sense of security in the job market. I have absolutely NO compassion for this guy and the fact that he's filing for bankruptcy pisses me off. I bet he drives two massive SUVs and spends about $300.00 a month in gasoline. So much for cutting costs and trimming fat to get by, the union should have taken care of me, so now they should help me file for bankruptcy.

Do you even know how much union dues are? Do you even know what they are used for?

You know, it's one thing to provide answers with questions and it's another thing entirely to actually provide answers. If you have something insightful to say about unions, union dues and where they go, please, enlighten those of us "in the dark".

My grandfather and his father helped to start one of the first unions in this country in Pennsylvania as coal miners. My uncle (his son) is regularly harrassed and maligned by other workers because he refuses to be union. He doesn't see the benefit in making his guys pay money to another organization in the interests of treating his workers right when he can do it himself. Point is, there was a time and place for unions back when my grandfather slaved in the coalmines in PA, now there is very little good reason for it. I don't hear non-union auto workers bitching about how bad their lives are when they're making over $100k a year driving a forklift!

So, if you have something to contribute that could enlighten us all to the absolute benefits of unions in today's work market, be our guest. Just don't try to provide us with insight based on a biased point of view, an assumption we don't understand because we don't work for a union, asking more assinine questions and slinging more insults. That does more to prove our point on unions than anything you could possibly ever say that was insightful and based on fact.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: Rogue

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: Rogue
What a fvcking minute! This guy is a forklift operator and was making over $100,000.00 a year? Gee, I wonder how much of his union dues could have gone into savings or investment vs. being largely wasted on a union happy to help him file for bankruptcy and give him a false sense of security in the job market. I have absolutely NO compassion for this guy and the fact that he's filing for bankruptcy pisses me off. I bet he drives two massive SUVs and spends about $300.00 a month in gasoline. So much for cutting costs and trimming fat to get by, the union should have taken care of me, so now they should help me file for bankruptcy.

Do you even know how much union dues are? Do you even know what they are used for?

You know, it's one thing to provide answers with questions and it's another thing entirely to actually provide answers. If you have something insightful to say about unions, union dues and where they go, please, enlighten those of us "in the dark".

My grandfather and his father helped to start one of the first unions in this country in Pennsylvania as coal miners. My uncle (his son) is regularly harrassed and maligned by other workers because he refuses to be union. He doesn't see the benefit in making his guys pay money to another organization in the interests of treating his workers right when he can do it himself. Point is, there was a time and place for unions back when my grandfather slaved in the coalmines in PA, now there is very little good reason for it. I don't hear non-union auto workers bitching about how bad their lives are when they're making over $100k a year driving a forklift!

So, if you have something to contribute that could enlighten us all to the absolute benefits of unions in today's work market, be our guest. Just don't try to provide us with insight based on a biased point of view, an assumption we don't understand because we don't work for a union, asking more assinine questions and slinging more insults. That does more to prove our point on unions than anything you could possibly ever say that was insightful and based on fact.

A large percentage of union dues are devoted to political contributions and activities. This is what was at the heart of Beck v Communications Workers of America. The Supreme Court ruled that union members are entitled to request a return of that portion of their dues devoted to political contributions. Bush 1 actually required that a notice to this effect be placed in the workplace but that order was rescinded when Clinton became president.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser

Originally posted by: sonz70
What ever happened to skill = pay? I got my forklift licence in 5 hours, thats it. that is not skill, that is being able to be taught. These people should not be making 75k for a low skill paying job. Unions are good for 3rd, or developing nations, but in a modern nation, they are not needed.

Aren't you the one who earned his graphics card in ~5 hours? Where's the skill in that?

For sonz, it's the skill to bend over and get repeatedly butt-banged. :laugh:

 

[bleeb]

thats too bad.

 

[vi edit]

My uncle is a union employee (IBEW) and is a linesman for a utility company. He probably doubles his base salary because of overtime and is making over 6 digits a year as well.

My uncle drives a 20 year old Caddilac and his wife has a 5 year old vehicle that was paid in cash. What they put their money into was a house that they bought and built in cash, and put into a property that is now worth about 10x what they originally paid for it.

Can't say I feel the least bit sorry for this guy.

 

[FoBoT]

i only got to

"forklift operator " and "six-figure income" and then my head exploded

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
i only got to

"forklift operator " and "six-figure income" and then my head exploded

lol

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
i only got to

"forklift operator " and "six-figure income" and then my head exploded

seriously. why the hell am i in college?

 

[m2kewl]

<nelson> HAHA!! </nelson>

 

[dartworth]

Originally posted by: Rogue

You know, it's one thing to provide answers with questions and it's another thing entirely to actually provide answers. If you have something insightful to say about unions, union dues and where they go, please, enlighten those of us "in the dark".

My grandfather and his father helped to start one of the first unions in this country in Pennsylvania as coal miners. My uncle (his son) is regularly harrassed and maligned by other workers because he refuses to be union. He doesn't see the benefit in making his guys pay money to another organization in the interests of treating his workers right when he can do it himself. Point is, there was a time and place for unions back when my grandfather slaved in the coalmines in PA, now there is very little good reason for it. I don't hear non-union auto workers bitching about how bad their lives are when they're making over $100k a year driving a forklift!

So, if you have something to contribute that could enlighten us all to the absolute benefits of unions in today's work market, be our guest. Just don't try to provide us with insight based on a biased point of view, an assumption we don't understand because we don't work for a union, asking more assinine questions and slinging more insults. That does more to prove our point on unions than anything you could possibly ever say that was insightful and based on fact.

That is interesting that your grandfather helped start one of the first unions in this country. The union I belong too is over 100 years old. Unions have been in America since the late 1700's

I have belonged to union for over 10 years. I had to serve a 5 year apprenticeship making low wages, but also learning my trade. After serving my time and becoming a journeyman, I am not just guaranteed a job. Everyday I go to work having to prove myself. I can get laid off or fired just like anyone else. As a matter of fact, I get laid off from every job I am on. It is just the nature of the business. Being in the building and construction trades is great. However, you can think what you want, but I have to produce everyday; or they are going to get my money and I?m done.

People offer lump all unions together which just isn't fair. The building trades are not run like the UAW or Teamsters. There is no seniority, there is no job security. My union has negotiated a wage package for me. We have decent benefits, and a so-so retirement.

The UAW is not run like this. I work in auto plants all the time. Believe me; I know exactly what is going on in these plants. I?m not even going to try and defend them. I will however defend the principles behind unionism and what it stands for. I always have and I always will.

Yes, I do pay union dues. Every member does. Yes, some of the money does go towards PACs. Every union also has to file a LM-2 report with the DOL. These reports detail every cent spent by that union. At one time corruption may have run rampant in certain unions and this has been documented. However, today this is very difficult and if it does happen, how is it any different than the situations at WorldCom or Enron?

So say what you want. I?ve heard all the ?over paid union guy? jokes in the world. Those jokes just come from people who have no knowledge of what they are talking about or are just jealous. I still go to school to stay up to date on changing technologies for my job. I do this on my own time to stay competitive. Because the only way I have a job is by making sure the contractor I am working for is making money?

 

[DaiShan]

Forklift operators get 6 figures?! Yo, my boss told me to review this instructional video we have on forklifts, then transfer it from VHS to DVD and check the shipping guys out on it. He was joking (I do Tier 3 tech support and NOC work) but for 6 figures...lol