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Arkaign

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Incarceration is a $$$$ business. The rampant cronyism, corruption, and profiteering of the entire criminal 'justice' system in this country is hopelessly devoid of reform. Trying to apply common sense doesn't work when there's not even an attempt at fairness or logic.
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: paulxcook
Originally posted by: Queasy
30% of prisoners in federal prisons are illegal aliens. That sounds like a good place to start.
Is that true? Holy crap. That's ridiculous.
ayep. Estimates are any where between 29 and 35%. Worse in states like California.
The federal prison is 201,105 -- Text

Or 8.7% of the total. Making your 30% illegal inmate figure become roughly 2.6% of the actual prison population in the US. Nice try though.

Thank you, drive thru.
:confused: You think the state and local prisons are completely devoid of illegal aliens then?
 

Safeway

Lifer
Jun 22, 2004
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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: paulxcook
Originally posted by: Queasy
30% of prisoners in federal prisons are illegal aliens. That sounds like a good place to start.
Is that true? Holy crap. That's ridiculous.
ayep. Estimates are any where between 29 and 35%. Worse in states like California.
The federal prison is 201,105 -- Text

Or 8.7% of the total. Making your 30% illegal inmate figure become roughly 2.6% of the actual prison population in the US. Nice try though.

Thank you, drive thru.
:confused: You think the state and local prisons are completely devoid of illegal aliens then?
"30% of prisoners in federal prisons are illegal aliens. That sounds like a good place to start." -Queasy
 

m1ldslide1

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: paulxcook
Originally posted by: Queasy
30% of prisoners in federal prisons are illegal aliens. That sounds like a good place to start.
Is that true? Holy crap. That's ridiculous.
ayep. Estimates are any where between 29 and 35%. Worse in states like California.
The federal prison is 201,105 -- Text

Or 8.7% of the total. Making your 30% illegal inmate figure become roughly 2.6% of the actual prison population in the US. Nice try though.

Thank you, drive thru.
Thanks for that Vic - I figured it was more xenophobic bullshit.

Reminds me of a guy in college who told me that 30% of the population in San Francisco had AIDS. That was a fun one. And yes, he was a student, not a raving lunatic on a street corner.
 

Safeway

Lifer
Jun 22, 2004
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Originally posted by: m1ldslide1
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: paulxcook
Originally posted by: Queasy
30% of prisoners in federal prisons are illegal aliens. That sounds like a good place to start.
Is that true? Holy crap. That's ridiculous.
ayep. Estimates are any where between 29 and 35%. Worse in states like California.
The federal prison is 201,105 -- Text

Or 8.7% of the total. Making your 30% illegal inmate figure become roughly 2.6% of the actual prison population in the US. Nice try though.

Thank you, drive thru.
Thanks for that Vic - I figured it was more xenophobic bullshit.

Reminds me of a guy in college who told me that 30% of the population in San Francisco had AIDS. That was a fun one. And yes, he was a student, not a raving lunatic on a street corner.
30% of the U.S. population is below average I.Q.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: Arkaign
Incarceration is a $$$$ business. The rampant cronyism, corruption, and profiteering of the entire criminal 'justice' system in this country is hopelessly devoid of reform. Trying to apply common sense doesn't work when there's not even an attempt at fairness or logic.
Yup. Just Pray they don't Privatize Law Enforcement and Courts. Then you'd be totally screwed.
 

IceBergSLiM

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Arkaign
Incarceration is a $$$$ business. The rampant cronyism, corruption, and profiteering of the entire criminal 'justice' system in this country is hopelessly devoid of reform. Trying to apply common sense doesn't work when there's not even an attempt at fairness or logic.
Yes privatized prisons are huge profit centers.
 

Vic

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Jun 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: paulxcook
Originally posted by: Queasy
30% of prisoners in federal prisons are illegal aliens. That sounds like a good place to start.
Is that true? Holy crap. That's ridiculous.
ayep. Estimates are any where between 29 and 35%. Worse in states like California.
The federal prison is 201,105 -- Text

Or 8.7% of the total. Making your 30% illegal inmate figure become roughly 2.6% of the actual prison population in the US. Nice try though.

Thank you, drive thru.
:confused: You think the state and local prisons are completely devoid of illegal aliens then?
Of course not, but that's not what you said.

Plus, the illegals keep coming. How do you propose to solve this problem without putting even more of them in prison?
 

Safeway

Lifer
Jun 22, 2004
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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: paulxcook
Originally posted by: Queasy
30% of prisoners in federal prisons are illegal aliens. That sounds like a good place to start.
Is that true? Holy crap. That's ridiculous.
ayep. Estimates are any where between 29 and 35%. Worse in states like California.
The federal prison is 201,105 -- Text

Or 8.7% of the total. Making your 30% illegal inmate figure become roughly 2.6% of the actual prison population in the US. Nice try though.

Thank you, drive thru.
:confused: You think the state and local prisons are completely devoid of illegal aliens then?
Of course not, but that's not what you said.

Plus, the illegals keep coming. How do you propose to solve this problem without putting even more of them in prison?
What is building a fence, Trebek?
 

Arkaign

Lifer
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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Incarceration is a $$$$ business. The rampant cronyism, corruption, and profiteering of the entire criminal 'justice' system in this country is hopelessly devoid of reform. Trying to apply common sense doesn't work when there's not even an attempt at fairness or logic.
Yes privatized prisons are huge profit centers.
Aye, and so is 'Criminal Justice' in general. How many jobs in this country DEPEND on crime in order to justify their existence? Federally and at state, county, and city level, hundreds of billions of dollars flow through the system. It's not a system guided by any unifying set of principles, it's merely a self-sustaining/accumulating bureaucracy of epic proportions.

Think about what a 30% decrease in crime/sentencing would do to that industry at large.. how many jobs would be lost, lower contracts for suppliers of supplies and services, less demand for defense lawyers, fewer positions for assistant DAs, less need for patrol officers and detectives, fewer jobs for corrections & probation officers, it's just endless.
 

destrekor

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Safeway
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: paulxcook
Originally posted by: Queasy
30% of prisoners in federal prisons are illegal aliens. That sounds like a good place to start.
Is that true? Holy crap. That's ridiculous.
ayep. Estimates are any where between 29 and 35%. Worse in states like California.
The federal prison is 201,105 -- Text

Or 8.7% of the total. Making your 30% illegal inmate figure become roughly 2.6% of the actual prison population in the US. Nice try though.

Thank you, drive thru.
:confused: You think the state and local prisons are completely devoid of illegal aliens then?
Of course not, but that's not what you said.

Plus, the illegals keep coming. How do you propose to solve this problem without putting even more of them in prison?
What is building a fence, Trebek?
get the approval of the majority of the country is going to be easier said than done.
I do believe McCain supports various methods of border control, as he has experience with the problems illegal immigration has caused. I'm not sure of other candidates and what they propose.
 

Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: Arkaign
Incarceration is a $$$$ business. The rampant cronyism, corruption, and profiteering of the entire criminal 'justice' system in this country is hopelessly devoid of reform. Trying to apply common sense doesn't work when there's not even an attempt at fairness or logic.
What it really is, besides that minority of the prison population that genuinely belongs there (murderers, rapists, etc.) is a massive "make-work" scam that has fully infiltrated and corrupted our justice system. Instead of justice, we pay a portion of the workforce to keep an even larger portion OUT of the workforce.
 

m1ldslide1

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Feb 20, 2006
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Originally posted by: Safeway
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: paulxcook
Originally posted by: Queasy
30% of prisoners in federal prisons are illegal aliens. That sounds like a good place to start.
Is that true? Holy crap. That's ridiculous.
ayep. Estimates are any where between 29 and 35%. Worse in states like California.
The federal prison is 201,105 -- Text

Or 8.7% of the total. Making your 30% illegal inmate figure become roughly 2.6% of the actual prison population in the US. Nice try though.

Thank you, drive thru.
:confused: You think the state and local prisons are completely devoid of illegal aliens then?
Of course not, but that's not what you said.

Plus, the illegals keep coming. How do you propose to solve this problem without putting even more of them in prison?
What is building a fence, Trebek?
Yeah, because it worked so well in Berlin.

I read an extremely convincing article somewhere that talked about the aggregate effect of building these walls and fences. Essentially it serves to humiliate and generally piss off generations of those being kept out, and before you know it, you have far bigger problems than what you started with.
 

Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: Safeway
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: paulxcook
Originally posted by: Queasy
30% of prisoners in federal prisons are illegal aliens. That sounds like a good place to start.
Is that true? Holy crap. That's ridiculous.
ayep. Estimates are any where between 29 and 35%. Worse in states like California.
The federal prison is 201,105 -- Text

Or 8.7% of the total. Making your 30% illegal inmate figure become roughly 2.6% of the actual prison population in the US. Nice try though.

Thank you, drive thru.
:confused: You think the state and local prisons are completely devoid of illegal aliens then?
Of course not, but that's not what you said.

Plus, the illegals keep coming. How do you propose to solve this problem without putting even more of them in prison?
What is building a fence, Trebek?
pfft... we could make that fence 10 miles high and I doubt it would do little more than slow them down.

The whole fence argument is about BUILDING the fence. 2,000 miles of fence at millions and millions of dollars per mile.

It is such a crock, the corruption is so transparent.
 

FoBoT

No Lifer
Apr 30, 2001
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Originally posted by: OdiN
Originally posted by: FoBoT
many crimes should not have incarceration as part of the punishment, we need to bring back humiliation and corporeal punishments, they are cheaper and more effective than incarceration
As opposed to non corporeal punishment?
i am talking about lashes , caning , stocks in the public square, physical punishments that existed before all the long term prisons were built

the long term prison is an invention of the late 18th century, that in my opinion, is a total failure

http://www.prisonsociety.org/about/history.shtml
 

Queasy

Moderator<br>Console Gaming
Aug 24, 2001
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Originally posted by: Safeway
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: paulxcook
Originally posted by: Queasy
30% of prisoners in federal prisons are illegal aliens. That sounds like a good place to start.
Is that true? Holy crap. That's ridiculous.
ayep. Estimates are any where between 29 and 35%. Worse in states like California.
The federal prison is 201,105 -- Text

Or 8.7% of the total. Making your 30% illegal inmate figure become roughly 2.6% of the actual prison population in the US. Nice try though.

Thank you, drive thru.
:confused: You think the state and local prisons are completely devoid of illegal aliens then?
"30% of prisoners in federal prisons are illegal aliens. That sounds like a good place to start." -Queasy
Yeah, and? He's not disputing my 30% number. He's saying that it is only a small part of the total US population. Yet he throws that out as if there aren't illegal aliens in state and local jails.

According to this CNN report, the number of illegal aliens in US prisons is over 200k. And there are many states/local cities don't even bother to check the immigration status of their prisoners so who knows what the true number is.

You have to look at state prison populations on a state by state basis but there are many that will obviously have more problems with a growing illegal alien population than others (Arizona vs Montana for instance).
 

destrekor

Lifer
Nov 18, 2005
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Originally posted by: m1ldslide1
Originally posted by: Safeway
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: paulxcook
Originally posted by: Queasy
30% of prisoners in federal prisons are illegal aliens. That sounds like a good place to start.
Is that true? Holy crap. That's ridiculous.
ayep. Estimates are any where between 29 and 35%. Worse in states like California.
The federal prison is 201,105 -- Text

Or 8.7% of the total. Making your 30% illegal inmate figure become roughly 2.6% of the actual prison population in the US. Nice try though.

Thank you, drive thru.
:confused: You think the state and local prisons are completely devoid of illegal aliens then?
Of course not, but that's not what you said.

Plus, the illegals keep coming. How do you propose to solve this problem without putting even more of them in prison?
What is building a fence, Trebek?
Yeah, because it worked so well in Berlin.

I read an extremely convincing article somewhere that talked about the aggregate effect of building these walls and fences. Essentially it serves to humiliate and generally piss off generations of those being kept out, and before you know it, you have far bigger problems than what you started with.
um... there would still be controlled border gates. It's not like it would be preventing travel. But immigration has to be legal, or else I say hell with them. No free-riding off of every other citizen. It's bullshit and they do not deserve it. If they want to live here, do it like everyone else: apply for the legal right to do so.
 

Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: m1ldslide1
Yeah, because it worked so well in Berlin.

I read an extremely convincing article somewhere that talked about the aggregate effect of building these walls and fences. Essentially it serves to humiliate and generally piss off generations of those being kept out, and before you know it, you have far bigger problems than what you started with.
And then there's the question, is the wall there to keep them out or keep us in?

But nah, we're not supposed to ask these question.... this is FreedomTM we're protecting, goddamnit! What are you, a commie?

 

Queasy

Moderator<br>Console Gaming
Aug 24, 2001
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Originally posted by: m1ldslide1
Yeah, because it worked so well in Berlin.

I read an extremely convincing article somewhere that talked about the aggregate effect of building these walls and fences. Essentially it serves to humiliate and generally piss off generations of those being kept out, and before you know it, you have far bigger problems than what you started with.
:confused:

The Berlin Wall was built to keep in a populace that wanted out of an oppressive regime.

A fence along the Mexican-American border would be used to keep people from coming here illegally and hopefully stop all the human and drug-trafficking. They would still be allowed to come here through legal means.

It's worth noting that the Mexican government is WAAAAAAAAAAAY more stringent on illegal aliens than the United States. They are not allowed to hold protests. They are not allowed to own property. They are not allowed access to many of the social services.
 

Arkaign

Lifer
Oct 27, 2006
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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Incarceration is a $$$$ business. The rampant cronyism, corruption, and profiteering of the entire criminal 'justice' system in this country is hopelessly devoid of reform. Trying to apply common sense doesn't work when there's not even an attempt at fairness or logic.
What it really is, besides that minority of the prison population that genuinely belongs there (murderers, rapists, etc.) is a massive "make-work" scam that has fully infiltrated and corrupted our justice system. Instead of justice, we pay a portion of the workforce to keep an even larger portion OUT of the workforce.
Interesting perspective on a tragic aspect of our modern society.
 

Queasy

Moderator<br>Console Gaming
Aug 24, 2001
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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: paulxcook
Originally posted by: Queasy
30% of prisoners in federal prisons are illegal aliens. That sounds like a good place to start.
Is that true? Holy crap. That's ridiculous.
ayep. Estimates are any where between 29 and 35%. Worse in states like California.
The federal prison is 201,105 -- Text

Or 8.7% of the total. Making your 30% illegal inmate figure become roughly 2.6% of the actual prison population in the US. Nice try though.

Thank you, drive thru.
:confused: You think the state and local prisons are completely devoid of illegal aliens then?
Of course not, but that's not what you said.

Plus, the illegals keep coming. How do you propose to solve this problem without putting even more of them in prison?
I was using that as an example especially since the Federal government is supposed to be in charge of protecting our national borders.
 

KeithP

Diamond Member
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Originally posted by: Queasy
30% of prisoners in federal prisons are illegal aliens. That sounds like a good place to start.
Wait, the title says "Americans" so are they included in the count? If so, the title is inaccurate. Of course, whatever the case, deport them and that problem is solved.

-KeithP
 

m1ldslide1

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Feb 20, 2006
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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Safeway
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: paulxcook
Originally posted by: Queasy
30% of prisoners in federal prisons are illegal aliens. That sounds like a good place to start.
Is that true? Holy crap. That's ridiculous.
ayep. Estimates are any where between 29 and 35%. Worse in states like California.
The federal prison is 201,105 -- Text

Or 8.7% of the total. Making your 30% illegal inmate figure become roughly 2.6% of the actual prison population in the US. Nice try though.

Thank you, drive thru.
:confused: You think the state and local prisons are completely devoid of illegal aliens then?
"30% of prisoners in federal prisons are illegal aliens. That sounds like a good place to start." -Queasy
Yeah, and? He's not disputing my 30% number. He's saying that it is only a small part of the total US population. Yet he throws that out as if there aren't illegal aliens in state and local jails.

According to this CNN report, the number of illegal aliens in US prisons is over 200k.
I don't mean to speak for Vic, but I think that it was clearly demonstrated that the 30% number was paranoid BS.

1 out of 100 americans is 3,000,000. I'm taking that figure as true based solely on the thread title.

200,000 illegals / 3,000,000 prison pop = roughly 6.7% of the prison population.

When you fudge statistics by that much, I start to wonder what your motivations are?
 

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