More steps towards a Global Free Trade

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
So explain to me why the Canadian Wheat Board can dump their product in the US market whenever they like, but Americans can't sell wheat in Canada. How does that fit into your "global free market"?

The same way that the US can sell lumber to Canada, but Canada cannot sell softwood lumber to the states. (Which has resulted in the direct increase of lumber costs.)

Hardly the same thing. The Canadian Wheat Board is a goverment mandated monopoly. They dump their grain here all the time on our open market, but we can't sell wheat in Canada. You talk big, but protect your own.

Where did I say protect my own? Your grasping again, all countries have trade disputes, but overall it works fine. As for US, farm subsidies represent 22 percent of the value of US farm production (as of 03-06-02), most modern day farming is subsidized. (180Billion over 10 yearsd dollar farm subsidy bill sighned into act 2002). So a subsidized industry is trying to stop another subsidized industry from selling grain in the United States. As I said, trade disputes happen, but overall it works for the benfit of everyone.

As well, no where does it state that grain cannot be sold here, it states there will be no tarrifs on Canadian Wheat. A measure that was brought forward by US wheat producers, on the basis that Canadian wheat was subsidized. The reason it was thrown out, is because US farming is subsidized as well.

Show me where I can sell wheat in Canada? I can't find a market there? Even Canadians who buy feed quailty wheat have to sell it back to the CWB.

A lot of Canadians who live close to the us boader would like to opt out of the CWB and sell there grain in the US market because they feel they could make another 30 cents a bushel, but as I said, it's a monopoly and they can't. Not very "free market" of you is it.

 

[CSMR]

Originally posted by: EatSpam
The one thing we can be sure of, this WFTA will only benefit the very wealthy and the big corporations.

You have a long way to go to come up even to this forum's level of thinking.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
So explain to me why the Canadian Wheat Board can dump their product in the US market whenever they like, but Americans can't sell wheat in Canada. How does that fit into your "global free market"?

The same way that the US can sell lumber to Canada, but Canada cannot sell softwood lumber to the states. (Which has resulted in the direct increase of lumber costs.)

Hardly the same thing. The Canadian Wheat Board is a goverment mandated monopoly. They dump their grain here all the time on our open market, but we can't sell wheat in Canada. You talk big, but protect your own.

Where did I say protect my own? Your grasping again, all countries have trade disputes, but overall it works fine. As for US, farm subsidies represent 22 percent of the value of US farm production (as of 03-06-02), most modern day farming is subsidized. (180Billion over 10 yearsd dollar farm subsidy bill sighned into act 2002). So a subsidized industry is trying to stop another subsidized industry from selling grain in the United States. As I said, trade disputes happen, but overall it works for the benfit of everyone.

As well, no where does it state that grain cannot be sold here, it states there will be no tarrifs on Canadian Wheat. A measure that was brought forward by US wheat producers, on the basis that Canadian wheat was subsidized. The reason it was thrown out, is because US farming is subsidized as well.

Show me where I can sell wheat in Canada? I can't find a market there? Even Canadians who buy feed quailty wheat have to sell it back to the CWB.

A lot of Canadians who live close to the us boader would like to opt out of the CWB and sell there grain in the US market because they feel they could make another 30 cents a bushel, but as I said, it's a monopoly and they can't. Not very "free market" of you is it.

The anti-dumping cases
The 2002 petition from the North Dakota Wheat Commission and U.S. Durum Growers also alleged that Canadian hard red spring (HRS) wheat and durum was being "dumped" into the U.S. market at prices below market value.

The U.S. Department of Commerce (DOC) conducted an investigation. In both cases, it decided dumping had occurred. With durum, the U.S. International Trade Commission (ITC) later ruled 4-0 that Canadian durum imports were not injuring U.S. producers and a 8.3-per-cent tariff (as well as the 5.3-per-cent countervailing duty, or CVD) was revoked.

With spring wheat, the DOC examined the costs of 25 Prairie wheat farmers and used their average costs to represent all 55,000 farmers who were growing HRS at the time. The DOC decided dumping had occurred and applied an 8.9-per cent tariff, added to the 5.3-per cent CVD to total 14.2 per cent (now 11.4 per cent). The ITC ruled 2-2 that these imports were injuring U.S. producers. The CWB appealled this decision to NAFTA, which agreed that it was not based on substantial evidence. The NAFTA panel ordered the ITC to come up with a new ruling by early October 2005.

The ITC responded on Oct. 5 by reversing its 2003 decision it has now ruled that imports of Canadian wheat do not injure U.S. producers. The wheat tariff is expected to be lifted in January 2006.

So obviously is was not hurting US farmers..

Canadian wheat properly priced
Canadian wheat and durum are sold to American buyers at prices that are equal to or higher than what is paid for the equivalent U.S. grain. Two studies conducted by the U.S. International Trade Commission (ITC), which examined 96 months of sales data, confirmed this fact. The ITC found in 2001 that the price of Canadian durum sold in the U.S. was higher than the price of American durum in all but one of 60 months examined. In 2002, the ITC found that Canadian prices exceeded U.S. prices in all but one of the 36 months examined ? sometimes by as much as 40 and 50 per cent.

American millers have publicly testified that there is no price undercutting by the CWB, stating that they buy Canadian wheat and durum for its quality and consistency of supply.

Alright.. so now we see that another study..by the US side of this dispute found that no actual dumping had occured, but rather Canadian wheat was priced higher. So yes, a free market, even an advantage free market exists for America Wheat producers, they are playing a field they should be winning, with cheaper wheat on the market.

 

[RichardE]

http://www.agr.gc.ca/itpd-dpci/english/country/Wheat_brochure-2004_e.htm

In 2003, it totalled $20.0 billion. Although this bilateral trade in agricultural products is roughly equal, per-capita consumption figures show how heavily Canadian consumers rely on American imports of safe, fresh agricultural products year-round. While each American consumed an average of $38 worth of Canadian agricultural products in 2003, each Canadian consumed $294 in U.S. agricultural products for the same year.

38 Dollar vs 294? Still seems it is one way...sorry, but I do not see where you think the US is getting the short end of the stick here.


In conclusion, the market is stacked in your favor already, it is something else you guys are doing that is causing you to lose. So yes, free trade exists here, the US wheat makers are just not keeping up to the need of it's customers.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: CSMR

Originally posted by: EatSpam
The one thing we can be sure of, this WFTA will only benefit the very wealthy and the big corporations.

You have a long way to go to come up even to this forum's level of thinking.

Sorry to disappoint, but not everyone on these forums are starry-eyed true believers in free trade. Some are, many are not. I question the motives of the wealthy people that push for free trade. Somehow, I doubt that they care what happens to me or people like me in their rush for ever greater profits.

 

[1EZduzit]

Where's yopur links?

U.S. wheat growers upset over NAFTA ruling on Canadian wheat

Even with repeated confirmation that hard red spring wheat imports from Canada are dumped and subsidized, those imports will again be allowed to enter the U.S. market without restrictions because of a decision issued yesterday by a North American Free Trade Agreement panel, according to a North Dakota Wheat Commission release.

Leading the battle against Canadian imports has been the North Dakota Wheat Commission (NWDC). On the opposing side are the Canadian Wheat Board, the Government of Canada and the North American Millers Association.

NDWC Administrator Neal Fisher says recent reversals of rulings in the trade case defy common sense. "Questionnaires issued in the remand investigation reveal an even greater frequency of underselling than in the original injury investigation, but authorities are now choosing to overlook those infractions."

I'm still waiting for a link to where i can sell wheat in Canada?

You say it's OK to do since our wheat is subsidized, but you fail to mention that canadian wheat sold in the US drives our prices down which will only increase the amount the American farmer needs to be subsidized to stay in business. In effect, the US taxpayer is subsidizing the Candaian wheat grower because we already grow more wheat then we need in this country.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Where's yopur links?

U.S. wheat growers upset over NAFTA ruling on Canadian wheat

Even with repeated confirmation that hard red spring wheat imports from Canada are dumped and subsidized, those imports will again be allowed to enter the U.S. market without restrictions because of a decision issued yesterday by a North American Free Trade Agreement panel, according to a North Dakota Wheat Commission release.

Leading the battle against Canadian imports has been the North Dakota Wheat Commission (NWDC). On the opposing side are the Canadian Wheat Board, the Government of Canada and the North American Millers Association.

NDWC Administrator Neal Fisher says recent reversals of rulings in the trade case defy common sense. "Questionnaires issued in the remand investigation reveal an even greater frequency of underselling than in the original injury investigation, but authorities are now choosing to overlook those infractions."

I'm still waiting for a link to where i can sell wheat in Canada?

You say it's OK to do since our wheat is subsidized, but you fail to mention that canadian wheat sold in the US drives our prices down which will only increase the amount the American farmer needs to be subsidized to stay in business. In effect, the US taxpayer is subsidizing the Candaian wheat grower because we already grow more wheat then we need in this country.

Canadian wheat is sold at a higher cost than American wheat..how is this driving the price down? Not to mention your own commitee found that American wheat sales has no effect on American farmers..

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: RichardE
http://www.agr.gc.ca/itpd-dpci/english/country/Wheat_brochure-2004_e.htm

In 2003, it totalled $20.0 billion. Although this bilateral trade in agricultural products is roughly equal, per-capita consumption figures show how heavily Canadian consumers rely on American imports of safe, fresh agricultural products year-round. While each American consumed an average of $38 worth of Canadian agricultural products in 2003, each Canadian consumed $294 in U.S. agricultural products for the same year.

38 Dollar vs 294? Still seems it is one way...sorry, but I do not see where you think the US is getting the short end of the stick here.


In conclusion, the market is stacked in your favor already, it is something else you guys are doing that is causing you to lose. So yes, free trade exists here, the US wheat makers are just not keeping up to the need of it's customers.

Where can I sell wheat in Canada? SHOW ME!

 

[CSMR]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: CSMR

Originally posted by: EatSpam
The one thing we can be sure of, this WFTA will only benefit the very wealthy and the big corporations.

You have a long way to go to come up even to this forum's level of thinking.

Sorry to disappoint, but not everyone on these forums are starry-eyed true believers in free trade. Some are, many are not. I question the motives of the wealthy people that push for free trade. Somehow, I doubt that they care what happens to me or people like me in their rush for ever greater profits.

Question what you want but your original comment was not a question but an assertion which showed no understanding of the impact of tarrifs on developing agricultural economies.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE
http://www.agr.gc.ca/itpd-dpci/english/country/Wheat_brochure-2004_e.htm

In 2003, it totalled $20.0 billion. Although this bilateral trade in agricultural products is roughly equal, per-capita consumption figures show how heavily Canadian consumers rely on American imports of safe, fresh agricultural products year-round. While each American consumed an average of $38 worth of Canadian agricultural products in 2003, each Canadian consumed $294 in U.S. agricultural products for the same year.

38 Dollar vs 294? Still seems it is one way...sorry, but I do not see where you think the US is getting the short end of the stick here.


In conclusion, the market is stacked in your favor already, it is something else you guys are doing that is causing you to lose. So yes, free trade exists here, the US wheat makers are just not keeping up to the need of it's customers.

Where can I sell wheat in Canada? SHOW ME!

The CWB obviously, now, tell me where US what farmers are getting the short end of the stick when Canadian wheat is priced higher? US farmers should have no problem in this market, as there product is priced cheaper. Where does the problem come from? US wheat producers quality. You have so far ignored all evidence against your argument, you are becoming pretty pathetic, either come up with some hard evidence that US farmers are being hurt, or go away, so far all studies show that this has no effect on US farming and the fact that Canadian wheat is priced higher reinterates that.

 

[RichardE]

0.07 Million Tons Exported to Canada from the US
1.23 Million Tons Exported to the States from Canada

This discrpenary when Canadian wheat is priced higher... how do you explain that?


http://www.fas.usda.gov/grain/highlights/2002/02-08/us-canada/candata.pdf
http://www.fas.usda.gov/grain/highlights/2002/02-08/us-canada/USDATA.pdf

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Where can I sell wheat in Canada? SHOW ME!

Here's a link to some local grain markets.

http://www.ams.usda.gov/mnreports/SF_GR110.txt

Anybody who likes can sell their grain there. Now show me where I can do the same in Canada please.


Because the CWB is a monolopy it can come in, move very large quantities of grain at a good price and leave the small independant American producer sitting there wondering what the H just happened.

Now for this argument to mean anything I need to know where this Canadian wheat market is and how can I find the daily price.

 

[1EZduzit]

An interesting article from the Toronto Star:

Some farmers want out of Wheat Board

Complicating the debate is a strain of Canada-U.S. tension. Farmers and legislators down south have long sought a ruling that the board represents an unfair selling practice and distorts trade. They've lost at trade tribunals, but the issue comes up at trade negotiations.

Just a week prior to Harper's statement, U.S. and European representatives at the World Trade Organization talks in Hong Kong pressed Canada to give up its approach to grain exports.

Canada left those meetings giving only a few concessions, but talks resume in spring. Meantime, the issue burbles along at home and will heat up should Harper win and carry through on promised change.

Ritter says the board's future is an issue for farmers, not politicians or governments ? odd, given that the monopoly is granted by Parliament. After Harper's promise, Ritter insisted prairie farmers "have a right to choose the marketing system that suits them best."

But of course, that's the point. As individuals, they don't have that right. It's collectivism versus individualism.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Where can I sell wheat in Canada? SHOW ME!

Here's a link to some local grain markets.

http://www.ams.usda.gov/mnreports/SF_GR110.txt

Anybody who likes can sell their grain there. Now show me where I can do the same in Canada please.


Because the CWB is a monolopy it can come in, move very large quantities of grain at a good price and leave the small independant American producer sitting there wondering what the H just happened.

Now for this argument to mean anything I need to know where this Canadian wheat market is and how can I find the daily price.

Again, show me a study where this hurts the american farmers. I have showed you three so far that says it does not.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: RichardE


Again, show me a study where this hurts the american farmers. I have showed you three so far that says it does not.

We overproduce wheat, always have and always will. Canada overproduces wheat. Always has and always will.

Every bushel of canadian wheat sold in the US hurts the US producer. It's simply a matter of supply and demand. I don't need a study to tell me that.

I'm still waiting for the price of canadian wheat today and a delivery destination???

I guess it's OK for Canadaians to sell their wheat on the open US market because "it doesn't hurt" anyone, but they don't have an open market for us to do the same. Yeah, free markets, tell me all about it. :laugh:

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE


Again, show me a study where this hurts the american farmers. I have showed you three so far that says it does not.

We overproduce wheat, always have and always will. Canada overproduces wheat. Always has and always will.

Every bushel of canadian wheat sold in the US hurts the US producer. It's simply a matter of supply and demand. I don't need a study to tell me that.

I'm still waiting for the price of canadian wheat today and a delivery destination???

I guess it's OK for Canadaians to sell their wheat on the open US market because "it doesn't hurt" anyone, but they don't have an open market for us to do the same. Yeah, free markets, tell me all about it. :laugh:

Still waiting for a study to show me where this hurts American farmers...

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE


Again, show me a study where this hurts the american farmers. I have showed you three so far that says it does not.

We overproduce wheat, always have and always will. Canada overproduces wheat. Always has and always will.

Every bushel of canadian wheat sold in the US hurts the US producer. It's simply a matter of supply and demand. I don't need a study to tell me that.

I'm still waiting for the price of canadian wheat today and a delivery destination???

I guess it's OK for Canadaians to sell their wheat on the open US market because "it doesn't hurt" anyone, but they don't have an open market for us to do the same. Yeah, free markets, tell me all about it. :laugh:

Still waiting for a study to show me where this hurts American farmers...

And I'm waiting for you to show me where I can sell wheat in Canada.

And for anybody else reading this, think about this, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the Canadians are hurting the US farmers with their monopolistic marketing scam. The US consumer is subsidizing the US farmer and the Canadian farmer.

Somebody please expalin why the Canadians need a monopoly if they are for free trade.

Somebody please explain why the Canadian's wheat market isn't open to US wheat producers?

I guess they have to watch their budget, you know their defense expenditures are really up these days. :roll:

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE


Again, show me a study where this hurts the american farmers. I have showed you three so far that says it does not.

We overproduce wheat, always have and always will. Canada overproduces wheat. Always has and always will.

Every bushel of canadian wheat sold in the US hurts the US producer. It's simply a matter of supply and demand. I don't need a study to tell me that.

I'm still waiting for the price of canadian wheat today and a delivery destination???

I guess it's OK for Canadaians to sell their wheat on the open US market because "it doesn't hurt" anyone, but they don't have an open market for us to do the same. Yeah, free markets, tell me all about it. :laugh:

Still waiting for a study to show me where this hurts American farmers...

And I'm waiting for you to show me where I can sell wheat in Canada.

And for anybody else reading this, think about this, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the Canadians are hurting the US farmers with their monopolistic marketing scam. The US consumer is subsidizing the US farmer and the Canadian farmer.

Somebody please expalin why the Canadians need a monopoly if they are for free trade.

Somebody please explain why the Canadian's wheat market isn't open to US wheat producers?

I guess they have to watch their budget, you know their defense expenditures are really up these days. :roll:

Yes, because we are suppose to take the word of a emotional ranting person (you) over a study done by the the organization that the American Wheat Growers asked to do a study. Get over it, it does not hurt American farmers at all.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Yes, because we are suppose to take the word of a emotional ranting person (you) over a study done by the the organization that the American Wheat Growers asked to do a study. Get over it, it does not hurt American farmers at all.

[/quote]

What's your problem? I'm a farmer and I know how the market works. I don't need a report to tell me what is going on in my own business.

If you can't show me that the wheat market in Canada is open then your just another tool of the man spouting off his talk points.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE

Yes, because we are suppose to take the word of a emotional ranting person (you) over a study done by the the organization that the American Wheat Growers asked to do a study. Get over it, it does not hurt American farmers at all.

What's your problem? I'm a farmer and I know how the market works. I don't need a report to tell me what is going on in my own business.

If you can't show me that the wheat market in Canada is open then your just another tool of the man spouting off his talk points.[/quote]


Talking points? Studies by the organization you asked to do the study. Just because you do not like the results doesn't make it invalid. The problem is with American wheat, which has reinterated time and time again, Canadian wheat is better quality than american wheat. What you are seeying here is free market at its best, the better product even though it is not the cheaper one wins.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE

Yes, because we are suppose to take the word of a emotional ranting person (you) over a study done by the the organization that the American Wheat Growers asked to do a study. Get over it, it does not hurt American farmers at all.

What's your problem? I'm a farmer and I know how the market works. I don't need a report to tell me what is going on in my own business.

If you can't show me that the wheat market in Canada is open then your just another tool of the man spouting off his talk points.

Talking points? Studies by the organization you asked to do the study. Just because you do not like the results doesn't make it invalid. The problem is with American wheat, which has reinterated time and time again, Canadian wheat is better quality than american wheat. What you are seeying here is free market at its best, the better product even though it is not the cheaper one wins.
[/quote]

LMAO, Japan and Taiwan regularly tour our area because our HRS wheat is of such good quailty. You have offically been show to be ignorant by making such an assinine statment. Your dismissed.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE

Yes, because we are suppose to take the word of a emotional ranting person (you) over a study done by the the organization that the American Wheat Growers asked to do a study. Get over it, it does not hurt American farmers at all.

What's your problem? I'm a farmer and I know how the market works. I don't need a report to tell me what is going on in my own business.

If you can't show me that the wheat market in Canada is open then your just another tool of the man spouting off his talk points.

Talking points? Studies by the organization you asked to do the study. Just because you do not like the results doesn't make it invalid. The problem is with American wheat, which has reinterated time and time again, Canadian wheat is better quality than american wheat. What you are seeying here is free market at its best, the better product even though it is not the cheaper one wins.

LMAO, Japan and Taiwan regularly tour our area because our HRS wheat is of such good quailty. You have offically been show to be ignorant by making such an assinine statment. Your dismissed.[/quote]

Of course..I guess that means the pasta makers in the US as well as bread makers in the US who say that are ignorant as well right? Or do you just pick and choose? Perhaps that is the reason you are having so much trouble? You ignore all the facts.

 

[RichardE]

http://www.agr.gc.ca/itpd-dpci/english/country/Wheat_brochure-2004_e.htm

Canada exports 7% of its wheat to the US

The US uses 95% of its own Wheat

The CWB is not hurting American farmers at all, you have some illusion to this, change your own business practices, as it is your own choices causing you to run into this wall.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE

Yes, because we are suppose to take the word of a emotional ranting person (you) over a study done by the the organization that the American Wheat Growers asked to do a study. Get over it, it does not hurt American farmers at all.

What's your problem? I'm a farmer and I know how the market works. I don't need a report to tell me what is going on in my own business.

If you can't show me that the wheat market in Canada is open then your just another tool of the man spouting off his talk points.

Talking points? Studies by the organization you asked to do the study. Just because you do not like the results doesn't make it invalid. The problem is with American wheat, which has reinterated time and time again, Canadian wheat is better quality than american wheat. What you are seeying here is free market at its best, the better product even though it is not the cheaper one wins.

LMAO, Japan and Taiwan regularly tour our area because our HRS wheat is of such good quailty. You have offically been show to be ignorant by making such an assinine statment. Your dismissed.

Of course..I guess that means the pasta makers in the US as well as bread makers in the US who say that are ignorant as well right? Or do you just pick and choose? Perhaps that is the reason you are having so much trouble? You ignore all the facts.

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Yawn, you are really just a bore. You probably don't know squat about wheat and you sure don't know anything about the wheat I grow, but feel free to further embaress yourself by running down it's quailty. :laugh:

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE

Yes, because we are suppose to take the word of a emotional ranting person (you) over a study done by the the organization that the American Wheat Growers asked to do a study. Get over it, it does not hurt American farmers at all.

What's your problem? I'm a farmer and I know how the market works. I don't need a report to tell me what is going on in my own business.

If you can't show me that the wheat market in Canada is open then your just another tool of the man spouting off his talk points.

Talking points? Studies by the organization you asked to do the study. Just because you do not like the results doesn't make it invalid. The problem is with American wheat, which has reinterated time and time again, Canadian wheat is better quality than american wheat. What you are seeying here is free market at its best, the better product even though it is not the cheaper one wins.

LMAO, Japan and Taiwan regularly tour our area because our HRS wheat is of such good quailty. You have offically been show to be ignorant by making such an assinine statment. Your dismissed.

Of course..I guess that means the pasta makers in the US as well as bread makers in the US who say that are ignorant as well right? Or do you just pick and choose? Perhaps that is the reason you are having so much trouble? You ignore all the facts.

Yawn, you are really just a bore. You probably don't know squat about wheat and you sure don't know anything about the wheat I grow, but feel free to further embaress yourself by running down it's quailty. :laugh:[/quote]

Meh, no sense arguing with someone who doesn't belive studies that you guys yourself asked for. You can go by your "gut feel" I will go by the facts. Anyway, continue your close minded protectionist attitude, see how far it gets you.