More school zero-tolerance stupidity

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Schools should be focusing on their primary job. And thats singing songs about our great leader..

BAN

No way. He is one of the few who know Obama a great leader. But he's right that the schools don't need to teach it because it's obvious to those with education.

What's funny is that with a few million votes the other way...and they could be singing Sarah Palin praise hymns. :Q

If that bitch was running this country we would ALL be fucked.

And libs wouldn't have a problem with teaching our kids Sarah Palin praise songs now would they?

And you don't have a problem with kids pledging allegiance to the flag and God?

When I was in high school it was common for kids to carry buck knives in a sheath on their belt. No one was ever stabbed AFAIK. Creeping nanny state for the loss. And it is not just liberal ninnies pushing for this, authoritarian righties are just as bad.

Did you intentionally miss my point?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

When I was in metal shop in junior high I made a fireplace toolset, including a shovel, a set of tongs, and a stoker which very closely resembled this unit.

That thing was certainly lethal, and yet nobody got hurt, and my teacher gave me an A for the project.

 

[waggy]

thats just disgusting.

i carried a pocket knife up until people started getting silly about them. I would always have one on my belt. it was nothing uncommon about it. Heck i had one teacher ask to see it (had a buck knife that my grandfather got me. a very nice 3 inch folding blade) and we ended up talking about knifes a bunch (i collect them).

the "zero tolerance" policy is just fucking nuts.


edit: now that i think about it i seem to remember that in the boy scouts getting your first pocket knife was a huge event. i remember getting my first knife soon after having to pass test on knife safety. also remember being told to always have one near since they are great tools.

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: CPA
My oldest son (15) was caught with a pocketknife in his backpack with about a week left to the school year last June. They also found a hand-written list on how to join his "Brotherhood Cult", which included all members must carry a knife with them at all times. I was pissed at first until I read some of the other requirements to join his "Cult". I laughed my ass off about if for a week. He was suspended for 3 days. I thought it was fair.

awww jeez man, tell us the other requirements! you're killin me here!

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: Nebor
Absolutely ridiculous. A HS student that had a two inch pocket knife in his locked car? You've got to be kidding me. Liberal educator idiocy taken to an extreme. Makes my blood boil.

How is this a liberal vs conservative issue?

Liberals are in charge of the education establishment in this country.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
When I was in metal shop in junior high I made a fireplace toolset, including a shovel, a set of tongs, and a stoker which very closely resembled this unit.

That thing was certainly lethal, and yet nobody got hurt, and my teacher gave me an A for the project.

Times have changed, now the children in school are all little terrorists who we must send to GITMO to guard against future attacks.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Schools should be focusing on their primary job. And thats singing songs about our great leader..

There is HOPE for you

Obama really is a Messiah

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Topic Title: More school zero-tolerance stupidity

Pocket knife results in suspension of HS student.

Six year old suspended for having eating utinsels.

Think of the children!

This outraged me enough to update the non commercial FreeMcOwen.con website that was turned over to me by my supporters after the Georgia case.

Help Zachary

I've still paid for maintaining it and have out a few cases on there of great injustices.

A 6 year old for god's sake.

The U.S. continues to sink lower and lower everyday.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: Nebor
Absolutely ridiculous. A HS student that had a two inch pocket knife in his locked car? You've got to be kidding me. Liberal educator idiocy taken to an extreme. Makes my blood boil.

How is this a liberal vs conservative issue?

Because conservatives believe that the only education we as Americans need should come from either the Bible or the Church.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: Nebor
Absolutely ridiculous. A HS student that had a two inch pocket knife in his locked car? You've got to be kidding me. Liberal educator idiocy taken to an extreme. Makes my blood boil.

How is this a liberal vs conservative issue?

Because conservatives believe that the only education we as Americans need should come from either the Bible or the Church.

Thats just a lie! My children are being educated by the NRA. Well, if I had children they would be.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

I think zero tolerance is stupid, but if we're going to implement it, let's use some brains ok? I remember in middle school, and high school administrators came in and lectured us seriously.

I know this means that if we left a pocketknife from hunting, we'd get in big trouble. I believe this kid was in a gray area. Is a pocketknife in a car for car problems the same as carrying one in your backpack? Probably not. Now if your administrators really talked to you in making sure you carried NOTHING, then carrying a pocketknife in your backpack is an offense. Now they always talked about expulsion. To me, this is the dumbest thing ESPECIALLY in accidents like the story in the OP.

I think if you want to apply zero tolerance, you need to use some brains at least. If having a weapon on campus is a crime, then that's fine, but the punishment needs to fit the crime. What about the bully who beats up kids and flashes knives after school? When he's caught with a knife in his backpack, is he expelled just like the 3rd grader who got expelled for having a birthday cake sent to school by her grandma with a knife to cut it? COME ON.

If you want to suspend this guy 3 days for having a knife in his car, that's fine, but it needs to end there. That's already going overboard, but this 15 days is retarded. I've heard of cases of kids leaving knives in their car from some hunting trip they went on with their parents and then getting expelled. Do you guys realize how difficult expulsion is? Dealing with something like that is very difficult, and it means your chances of going to another school are very slim. This is NOT the right punishment for any teenager, especially if it's an accident. It's sad that we'll punish people who purposely bring weapons onto campus the same way as if someone's done it on accident or for bringing some "weapon" such as that 3-in-1 knifeforkspoon which is clearly in a gray area.

 

[Brainonska511]

The law was introduced after a third-grade girl was expelled for a year because her grandmother had sent a birthday cake to school, along with a knife to cut it. The teacher called the principal ? but not before using the knife to cut and serve the cake.

I like that quote from the Times. As always, Zero Tolerance = Zero Sense.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: Nebor
Absolutely ridiculous. A HS student that had a two inch pocket knife in his locked car? You've got to be kidding me. Liberal educator idiocy taken to an extreme. Makes my blood boil.

How is this a liberal vs conservative issue?

Liberals are in charge of the education establishment in this country.

And conservatives are always pushing the law and order authoritarian 'nothing to hide' bullshit.

What's your point? This clearly didn't need the injection of liberal vs. conservative. This isn't a fucking sports event. GO Dems! :roll:

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: Nebor
Absolutely ridiculous. A HS student that had a two inch pocket knife in his locked car? You've got to be kidding me. Liberal educator idiocy taken to an extreme. Makes my blood boil.

How is this a liberal vs conservative issue?

Liberals are in charge of the education establishment in this country.

And conservatives are always pushing the law and order authoritarian 'nothing to hide' bullshit.

What's your point? This clearly didn't need the injection of liberal vs. conservative. This isn't a fucking sports event. GO Dems! :roll:

Yes it does. Because its idiotic lefty teachers pushing for no tolerance policies because they lack the brains to make decisions on right or wrong based on circumstances. Imagine if judges couldn't take into account if someone was shooting someone in self defense or during a robbery while sentencing them. Thats exactly what this policy is.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
When I was in metal shop in junior high I made a fireplace toolset, including a shovel, a set of tongs, and a stoker which very closely resembled this unit.

That thing was certainly lethal, and yet nobody got hurt, and my teacher gave me an A for the project.

Times have changed, now the children in school are all little terrorists who we must send to GITMO to guard against future attacks.

To be honest, I am rather fond of whole idea of the Child Catcher in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.

When I was in HS, we had a school camping/hiking/backpacking/canoeing group and we all carried knives, mostly sheath knives on our belts. Never really thought about it.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: shira
I'll bet these extreme policies are a consequence of the fear of lawsuits. In today's climate, ANY school that experiences a knife attack knows that the victim's family will sue, and the only possible defense will be a zero-tolerance policy that's rigorously enforced to the point of stupidity.

Given the current environment of fear, administrators know their jobs and careers are on the line if preventable violence occurs on school grounds. Can you blame them for implementing these policies?

Not saying it's right, but if YOU were a principle or a member of the school board, and your livelihood were at stake, what would YOU do?

Always what is right regardless of consequence as any honest person would.

I don't believe YOU really believe "regardless of consequences." Consequences are always relevant.

Would you pursue a gun-carrying shoplifter over a $10 theft?

If you objectively knew that you were absolutely the best person for a highly desirable job, but you also knew that you would not get the job unless you told a single lie (that could never be discovered) about your past experience, would you tell the truth?

If under extenuating circumstances years earlier you cheated on your wife, but you have been completely faithful ever since (and knew you will always be), would you tell the truth to your wife if you believed it could destroy your marriage?

You used the word "right" as if that word has meaning "regardless" of the consequences. I believe that "right" is DEFINED by the consequences.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: Nebor
Absolutely ridiculous. A HS student that had a two inch pocket knife in his locked car? You've got to be kidding me. Liberal educator idiocy taken to an extreme. Makes my blood boil.

How is this a liberal vs conservative issue?

Liberals are in charge of the education establishment in this country.

And conservatives are always pushing the law and order authoritarian 'nothing to hide' bullshit.

What's your point? This clearly didn't need the injection of liberal vs. conservative. This isn't a fucking sports event. GO Dems! :roll:

Yes it does. Because its idiotic lefty teachers pushing for no tolerance policies because they lack the brains to make decisions on right or wrong based on circumstances. Imagine if judges couldn't take into account if someone was shooting someone in self defense or during a robbery while sentencing them. Thats exactly what this policy is.

Oh, so you're saying that mandatory sentencing policies pushed through by law-and-order republicans during the 80s and 90s are not analogous to zero-tolerance? That bag of weed - let's not make a distinction if he was trying to sell it off piecemeal or just buying a lot to smoke up with his buds. Mandatory 5-10 year sentence. It's the same damn thing and it really has nothing to do with political ideology.

All your response does is prove once more that all you can do is troll your boat through every damn thread in this forum.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: Nebor
Absolutely ridiculous. A HS student that had a two inch pocket knife in his locked car? You've got to be kidding me. Liberal educator idiocy taken to an extreme. Makes my blood boil.

How is this a liberal vs conservative issue?

Because conservatives believe that the only education we as Americans need should come from either the Bible or the Church.

Because education is for sissies and women.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: Nebor
Absolutely ridiculous. A HS student that had a two inch pocket knife in his locked car? You've got to be kidding me. Liberal educator idiocy taken to an extreme. Makes my blood boil.

How is this a liberal vs conservative issue?

Liberals are in charge of the education establishment in this country.

And conservatives are always pushing the law and order authoritarian 'nothing to hide' bullshit.

What's your point? This clearly didn't need the injection of liberal vs. conservative. This isn't a fucking sports event. GO Dems! :roll:

Yes it does. Because its idiotic lefty teachers pushing for no tolerance policies because they lack the brains to make decisions on right or wrong based on circumstances. Imagine if judges couldn't take into account if someone was shooting someone in self defense or during a robbery while sentencing them. Thats exactly what this policy is.

So then you're opposed to all the mandatory sentencing bullshit passed by state legislatures over the past two decades? Good to hear it. There room for common ground on common sense.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: shira
Would you pursue a gun-carrying shoplifter over a $10 theft?

No, but I've got a friend who would. He's a small guy, only about 125 grains, but he's real fast, runs about 1400 feet per second.

Even in the early 90s we could have pocket knives in school, and our guns could be locked in our cars outside. It wasn't until violent video games made kids lose their minds that we started having problems. :laugh:

 

[MadRat]

Completely insane. How are kids going to carve their initials - and those of their girlfriend - into the desktops without a decent folding knife?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: shira
I'll bet these extreme policies are a consequence of the fear of lawsuits. In today's climate, ANY school that experiences a knife attack knows that the victim's family will sue, and the only possible defense will be a zero-tolerance policy that's rigorously enforced to the point of stupidity.

Given the current environment of fear, administrators know their jobs and careers are on the line if preventable violence occurs on school grounds. Can you blame them for implementing these policies?

Not saying it's right, but if YOU were a principle or a member of the school board, and your livelihood were at stake, what would YOU do?

Always what is right regardless of consequence as any honest person would.

I don't believe YOU really believe "regardless of consequences." Consequences are always relevant.

Would you pursue a gun-carrying shoplifter over a $10 theft?

If you objectively knew that you were absolutely the best person for a highly desirable job, but you also knew that you would not get the job unless you told a single lie (that could never be discovered) about your past experience, would you tell the truth?

If under extenuating circumstances years earlier you cheated on your wife, but you have been completely faithful ever since (and knew you will always be), would you tell the truth to your wife if you believed it could destroy your marriage?

You used the word "right" as if that word has meaning "regardless" of the consequences. I believe that "right" is DEFINED by the consequences.

I always tell the truth. I would never assume I am the absolute best for some job. There is nothing in my past I can't repeat. If I am married and say so people will put me in one kind of box. If I am single, another. I don't say therefore, one way or the other. I do know that I would never cheat on a wife if I had or have one period. The only thing of value in life, in my opinion, is your own self respect.

 

[Siddhartha]

Knives, bottles of shampoo, bottles of water, tubes of tooth paste, etc (above a certain size) are not allowed on board commercial aircraft. This is because maniacs used knives to take over planes and fly them into buildings.
Another maniac tried to blow up an aircraft with explosives in tubes of personal care products.

 

[Joepublic2]

I haven't posted on this forum for years. But yes, this is bullshit. I carried a 6 inch blade every day of high school and had no problems. I can't imagine the twisted hysterics required for this to be made into an issue.