Keep 'em coming ATi and nVidia. Gaming on a Dell or Apple 30" is looking more and more feasible. 
Well, NV mobo bios can have some tweaks for NV video cards. RD480 bios can do the same for ATI cards. Can you say 100% it's not the case?
Ronin
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Might I suggest going back and looking at the Xpress 200 mobo benchmarks, and using that as a reference? That should answer your questions.
That should answer your questions.little difference in performance. not big ones. should be within 1-2 perhaps 3 frams of each other.
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I also do not speak german
Feel free to look at the results from Anandtech and X-bit.
Xbit AOEIII FSAA 4X + Aniso 16X 1600x1200
GTX512 XTX
45.9 40.9
Anandtech BW2 High AA 1600x1200
GTX512 XTX
29.6 20.7
The XTX just did not take the clear lead like it needed to. The G71 won't have to do much to pass it overall.
Thats incorrect, you only have to look at X1900 reviews to see that.
All reviews running the X1900 on SLI mobos show it losing to the 7800 GTX 512mb in numerous games, but if you look at the reviews of the X1900 being run on RD480 chipset mobo's, the X1900 pretty much beats the GTX 512mb in every game, even OpenGL ones.
So its more then just a 'minor' difference.
Hense the reason why I said we can no longer test GPU's on a single test platform.
I'd say its one of those super sampling mode(ATI) vs 16x AA (nvidia). super sampling mode is an improvement upon 8x mode but not true 16x AA as nvidia. Though it does take a much smaller hit and is playable for most games..
Because the french site were smart enough to bench with HDR, and without HDR, and show the difference. If you plan on playing AOE3 with HDR, the gtx loses. If you plan on plying it with HDR and AA, it's not even a contest.
Ronin
Diamond Member
nib, you're obviously going to continue to argue a point that has no merit, so I'm just going to ignore you now.
The results are NOT comparable, because they are not on the same testbed. You can't take the results from one set of tests on one PC and compare them to the same set of tests on another and call it an apples to apples comparison.
You need an 'all things being equal' comparison, and what you're talking about isn't that.
Give it a rest, and admit you're wrong.
And just for good measure, let's take it one step further:
FX57 with a 7800 GTX 512MB on an nForce4 board
vs
Presler with an X1800XTX on an Intel based board
Tell me..would you take THAT as a valid comparison and use the results to say one card beat another? I think not.
The results are NOT comparable, because they are not on the same testbed. You can't take the results from one set of tests on one PC and compare them to the same set of tests on another and call it an apples to apples comparison.
You need an 'all things being equal' comparison, and what you're talking about isn't that.
Give it a rest, and admit you're wrong.
And just for good measure, let's take it one step further:
FX57 with a 7800 GTX 512MB on an nForce4 board
vs
Presler with an X1800XTX on an Intel based board
Tell me..would you take THAT as a valid comparison and use the results to say one card beat another? I think not.
umm.. then there would have to be either a bug in 1900 card, or a bug in sli chipset, or RD480 is just a faster chipset?
didn't the reviewer wonder why that is the case?
do you mind providing the link to them?
SSAA is the only kind of AA the gtx can do with HDR, and only if the devs code for it in the game engine, which is what happens in AOE3. The french site was also smart enough to bench SuperAA 10x vs SLIAA 8x, because those are the most technically "correct" comparisons, with both solutions doing 2xSSAA and some MSAA.
Thats not what Im suggesting you nitwit.
I'm saying if your going to test the X1900 XTX against the 7800 GTX 512mb, use exactly the same PC for both, but one with an SLI mobo and one with an Crossfire one.
THAT way its fair. No point using un-optimised hardware with one GPU just for the sake of keeping the testbed the same, because the whole point of that is to be fair, but that in itself is a contradiction as in using one GPU on a mobo it has not been optimised for, you are in essance being unfair!
What about this are you finding hard to understand?
Heres me thinking Anandtech would have more intelligent posters judging from the caliber and quality of the site. Seems some of the board members do not translate this in to the forums.
I dunno man, if there were really huge differences I think the user community would be up in arms. I've never heard or read anything to the effect that the chipset is going to provide an advantage either way. NVIDIA makes way too much money from their chipset line off of ATI customers for this to be the case.
Now, now, play nice. No need to call anyone names.
...and he's saying that if you change the motherboard, they're no longer 'exactly the same PC'. You can't compare (GF7 + NF4-SLI chipset) to (R580 + R480 chipset) and get any meaningful numbers, since you changed two variables.
To run the test fairly, you would have to test both graphics cards on both motherboards, and see if they change their relative performance. You can't just look at one set of tests using *only* an ATI motherboard and one set of tests using *only* an NVIDIA motherboard and conclude that the motherboard made the difference (which is what you're trying to do).
perhaps you are right. do you read Franch? I kinda doubt it would best SLI setup though... seem far out..
I still don't see the logic how MB chipset would make a BIG difference in single videocard performance..do you have a link to show the difference?
I thought it was only "high" FEAR. Now it's "high" AoE3 where X1900 is on the level of GTX512 SLI. You show me one more game on "high" like that and my fear will go high whether G71 will be able to keep up in this kind of scenarios.
like that and my fear will go high whether G71 will be able to keep up in this kind of scenarios.
Ronin
Diamond Member
Not an answer, and if you continue posting like this, we'll simply just run you off the boards.
You've been nailed by multiple people already that say your logic is flawed. We *are* an intelligent bunch, and thus far, you've just been pulling us down. So either step it up a few notches, or just stop posting.
I don't remember the details but there was an article comparing ATi and NVIDIA performance on different chipsets. I think they used an NForce2/3 and possibly VIA or Intel. The outcome was that ATi cards ran slightly slower (from base) and NVIDIA cards ran slightly faster (from base) on the nforce compared to the other chipset. I think they had an official response from NVIDIA saying that their cards are optimized for their chipsets.
But I'm too lazy and don't really care enough to go looking for that article. Especially since I'm not even sure what cards they tested (GF3 and 8500???).
Anyway, I guess there was no real point to this reply
LMAO, dude its a well known fact that Nvidia cards run better on SLI mobo's and ATI cards better on Crossfire chipset mobo's! Infact you could go as far as to say it's common sense.
And what is this about run me off the boards lol?!
You say it like the forum is your little circle of groupies that can bully other people.
Your having a laugh. Lol. Your comment made me laugh out loud, and my girlfriend too!
It's people like you who take forums WAY too seriously! Lol. Ok mr net bully with your huge E-penis. lol, run me off these boards
"if you continue posting like this, we'll simply just run you off the boards."
Lol, funniest quote ever!!
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