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More problems for the Ohio GOP

RightIsWrong

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Ohio GOP is kinda having a rough time of it these last couple of months. But, like a good GOP, he won't take responsibility or show character and step down. I guess this is just more of the "Ownership" society that Bush is promoting.


Prosecutor: Ohio governor to be charged with 4 misdemeanors
Taft won't resign, spokesman says

Wednesday, August 17, 2005; Posted: 3:52 p.m. EDT (19:52 GMT)

Ohio Gov. Bob Taft speaks at the state fair on August 14.

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- Gov. Bob Taft will face misdemeanor charges for not reporting golf outings paid for by others, a prosecutor said Wednesday.

Taft, a second-term Republican and member of a distinguished U.S. political family, would be the first Ohio governor to be charged with a crime. If convicted of the four misdemeanors, he could be fined $1,000 and sentenced to six months in jail on each count, though time behind bars was considered unlikely.

Taft will be charged later Wednesday, said City Prosecutor Stephen McIntosh, who declined to comment further pending an afternoon news conference.

The governor will respond publicly on Thursday and is not planning to resign, spokesman Mark Rickel said.

Investigators have looked for weeks at Taft's alleged violation of a law requiring officeholders to report gifts worth more than $75 unless the donor is reimbursed. He had announced the problems involving reporting of golf outings in June but said any errors were inadvertent.

The allegations about Taft, 63, grew out of a scandal that began with revelations of problems with an unusual state investment in rare coins.

The investment was handled by coin dealer Tom Noe, a top GOP donor. Noe has acknowledged that up to $13 million is missing from the fund, and Attorney General Jim Petro has accused him of stealing as much as $4 million.

Taft released records August 5 that showed he accepted invitations to 21 golf outings since 1999. They included a 2001 outing with Noe.

The records released earlier this month did not indicate who paid for the outings. Taft's golf partners included John Snow, then the head of transportation company CSX Corp. and now the U.S. Treasury secretary; and Tony Alexander, president and chief executive of Akron-based FirstEnergy Corp.

Some partners have said Taft paid for the golf; others have said they picked up the tab.

In a speech given in May, the governor had stressed the importance of ethical behavior for public employees.

"Public employees can enjoy entertainment, such as golf or dining out, with persons working for a regulated company, or one doing business with the state, only if they fully pay their own way," he said in the speech at Xavier University.

Taft's former chief of staff Brian Hicks pleaded no contest last month to failing to report stays at Noe's million-dollar Florida home. He was found guilty and fined $1,000 after entering the plea.

Taft's great-grandfather was President William Howard Taft -- who later was chief justice -- and both his father and grandfather were U.S. senators from Ohio.

Other Ohio governors have come under investigation, including Republican George Voinovich, investigated for unproven allegations he laundered campaign money, and Democrat Richard Celeste, whose connections to a contributor who owned the failed Home State Savings Bank were examined.
 

Engineer

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It will be interesting to see if the governor of Kentucky (Ernie Fletcher - Republican) will have problems soon from the probe of illegal hiring of state workers based on Party bias.

But in reality, they all do it. They're all crooks...Dems and Reps alike! :frown:

 

RightIsWrong

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Originally posted by: Engineer
It will be interesting to see if the governor of Kentucky (Ernie Fletcher - Republican) will have problems soon from the probe of illegal hiring of state workers based on Party bias.

But in reality, they all do it. They're all crooks...Dems and Reps alike! :frown:

I would say a majority of them do it. I still (probably ignorantly) believe that there are good men and women on both sides of the aisle that are genuinely trying to do what is best for our country. Unfortunately, they are being ignored for the scandal because that is what sells papers and gets you viewers.

The other problem is that you need so much money to continue to stay in the game to do what good you can, that even they become susceptable to donor-itis.
 
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The whole Ohio situation has turned into an incredible mess. Taft seems like a bit of a weird guy for someone whose great-grandfather was, if memory serves, the only man to serve as President and Chief Justice of the Supreme Court (though nowadays he's mainly known for being fat).

I find it odd they'd prosecute him criminally for such a minor ethics violation, but I can't blame the taxpayers of Ohio for being pissed that he lost so much money investing in rare coins, of all things. It sounds a little too much like investing in magic beans!
 

RightIsWrong

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Originally posted by: DonVito
The whole Ohio situation has turned into an incredible mess. Taft seems like a bit of a weird guy for someone whose great-grandfather was, if memory serves, the only man to serve as President and Chief Justice of the Supreme Court (though nowadays he's mainly known for being fat).

I find it odd they'd prosecute him criminally for such a minor ethics violation, but I can't blame the taxpayers of Ohio for being pissed that he lost so much money investing in rare coins, of all things. It sounds a little too much like investing in magic beans!


Also heard on NPR that the AG said that he wanted to hurry and get this taken care of because they need to focus their resources on other cases of political lawbreakers that include felonies.

Here is their story and audio with a lot more details.
 

jimkyser

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Originally posted by: DonVito
I find it odd they'd prosecute him criminally for such a minor ethics violation, but I can't blame the taxpayers of Ohio for being pissed that he lost so much money investing in rare coins, of all things. It sounds a little too much like investing in magic beans!

The stupid thing is that you CAN make money investing in rare coins. You just need to be careful like with any other investment. Also, I can't imagine investing that much money in rare coins. It's just too hard to find that many good coins.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Golf?

String him up by his toenails. :roll:

Regardless of just "Golf", I heard that if convicted, it would be a $1,000 fine and 6 months in jail. A crime is a crime, no?
 

CaptnKirk

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Golf?

String him up by his toenails. :roll:


He took more than just a few thousand dollars worth of unreported 'Gifts' than just golf.
 

BBond

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Why is it that when the dirt is on the Democrats no one dismisses it with, "They're all criminals"?
:roll:

Well, keep excusing the GOP. The GOP is rotting from the inside. And this is just the beginning, folks.
 
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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Golf?

String him up by his toenails. :roll:


He took more than just a few thousand dollars worth of unreported 'Gifts' than just golf.

Not that I care... I really don't. But where in that article does it say that the charges have anything to do with something other than an apparent confusion over who paid for a few rounds of golf?
 

RightIsWrong

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Golf?

String him up by his toenails. :roll:


He took more than just a few thousand dollars worth of unreported 'Gifts' than just golf.

Not that I care... I really don't. But where in that article does it say that the charges have anything to do with something other than an apparent confusion over who paid for a few rounds of golf?

It doesn't state it in that article, but the accusations also include meals and luxury box seats at hockey games too.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Golf?

String him up by his toenails. :roll:


He took more than just a few thousand dollars worth of unreported 'Gifts' than just golf.

Not that I care... I really don't. But where in that article does it say that the charges have anything to do with something other than an apparent confusion over who paid for a few rounds of golf?

The gifts were worth about $5,800 and given over four years, prosecutors said. Taft earlier had revealed that he failed to report some outings but said the omissions were accidental.

Taft's former chief of staff Brian Hicks pleaded no contest last month to failing to report stays at Noe's million-dollar Florida home. He was fined $1,000.

Taft's golf partners included John Snow, then the head of transportation company CSX Corp. and now the U.S. Treasury secretary; and Tony Alexander, president and chief executive of Akron-based FirstEnergy Corp.

Some partners have said Taft paid for the golf; others have said they picked up the tab.



 

BBond

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And Taft knew exactly what he was doing.

In a speech given in May, the governor had stressed the importance of ethical behavior for public employees.

"Public employees can enjoy entertainment, such as golf or dining out, with persons working for a regulated company, or one doing business with the state, only if they fully pay their own way," he said in the speech at Xavier University.

 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: BBond
And Taft knew exactly what he was doing.

In a speech given in May, the governor had stressed the importance of ethical behavior for public employees.

"Public employees can enjoy entertainment, such as golf or dining out, with persons working for a regulated company, or one doing business with the state, only if they fully pay their own way," he said in the speech at Xavier University.

Heh!
 

Hacp

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Its only 6000 dollars.... Lets wait to see if theres more. I mean politicians make WAY more becomming lobbists after they retire than from gifts from companines.. Why would they ever risk the acess?
 

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Originally posted by: BBond
And Taft knew exactly what he was doing.

In a speech given in May, the governor had stressed the importance of ethical behavior for public employees.

"Public employees can enjoy entertainment, such as golf or dining out, with persons working for a regulated company, or one doing business with the state, only if they fully pay their own way," he said in the speech at Xavier University.

A Republican hypocrit! How unusual! :roll:
 

CaptnKirk

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Originally posted by: Condor
Incredulous! A Clinton lover boy criticizing anyone for not taking responsibility is just tooo much!

Yeah, lets condone criminal activity as long as it benefits your GOP supporters.

I don't care what party any crook belongs to, do the crime be ready to do the time.

 

Jhhnn

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Gotta love it- the usual "But Clinton!" routine, and the "They're all Crooks!" bit...

Rather pointedly ignoring the simple truth that modern Republicans have elevated graft and money-laundering to an artform, a paean to greed and power lust...

Apparently, they seem to draw some distinction between mere public employees and elected officials... obviously, it's important that all the graft flow to the top, rather than having too much of the take spread around in the lower echelons...
 

catnap1972

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Gotta love it- the usual "But Clinton!" routine, and the "They're all Crooks!" bit...

Rather pointedly ignoring the simple truth that modern Republicans have elevated graft and money-laundering to an artform, a paean to greed and power lust...

Apparently, they seem to draw some distinction between mere public employees and elected officials... obviously, it's important that all the graft flow to the top, rather than having too much of the take spread around in the lower echelons...

And give it to the "unwashed" (bleh)?!?

What are you, some sort of communist?!? :Q
 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Originally posted by: Condor
Incredulous! A Clinton lover boy criticizing anyone for not taking responsibility is just tooo much!

Yeah, lets condone criminal activity as long as it benefits your GOP supporters.

I don't care what party any crook belongs to, do the crime be ready to do the time.

Watching you libs squirm is really fun!

 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: BBond
Why is it that when the dirt is on the Democrats no one dismisses it with, "They're all criminals"?
:roll:

Well, keep excusing the GOP. The GOP is rotting from the inside. And this is just the beginning, folks.

I'm not excusing him. He should do the punishment just like Clinton should have. I'm just enjoying seeing you libs get all two faced.