More posturing?

[shiner]

Originally posted by: CPA
Texas!

Just make sure and stay on your side of the Red River. Last time you bastards tried to invade we had to kick you ass back with the National Guard.

 

[dainthomas]

One could argue that Rome was much more stable (at least during the 200 years of Pax Romana) than the US is currently. I'd say there are likely two options: either a complete collapse such as with the Western Roman Empire, or (more likely) a severe decline in influence such as with the British Empire.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Evan

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Evan
rofl at this layman bullcrap.

Will you bet me a penny and send me a letter if I'm right?

I'll bet you more than a penny. Except we'll all be dead long before the U.S. ever collapses.

Is that what your mentors told you?

Common sense and education.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: dainthomas
One could argue that Rome was much more stable (at least during the 200 years of Pax Romana) than the US is currently. I'd say there are likely two options: either a complete collapse such as with the Western Roman Empire, or (more likely) a severe decline in influence such as with the British Empire.

British situation would be prefferred by all. Still influential, just far less intrusive in other Nations affairs.

 

[dawp]

It will collapse, it's just a matter of time, nothing last forever. It won't happen for a while, but it will happen.

 

[OCGuy]

The end is near!



It has been proven that this thread lowers your IQ by 10%. So does posting a Drudge headline.

 

[StageLeft]

I have predicted the downfall of the USA. It's easy. Oh, you want to know when? Sorry, no damn clue, but every country has fallen so far, so it's in the fate of this one and all others. This guy is a fail if he thinks Russia is on track to surpass the US any time soon at all, the place still sucks and has a shrinking population (which is only a little over 100m IIRC).

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: Evan
Common sense and education.

:laugh:

You have an 'education' in voodoo economics and 'common sense' warped by corruption and patriotic blindness.

Real common sense says that if you set up a system where people can externalize the costs of their demands for resources, the demands will continuously increase and those promising the resources will continuously promise more until there is nothing left. Empirical evidence (that you continuously just try to explain away with some voodoo economics) bears this out.

The most hilarious part of all of this is that in this enormous market of corruption you are the one getting your resources raped away. And even if you did go into that market and tried to be the one doing the plundering, the market for corruption already has so many competing actors, your take would be rather meager.

The bankruptcy of this government will expose the bankruptcy of your intellect, and you will be left with little if anything at all.

 

[gevorg]

He is just another old fart with Cold-War goggles. We have plenty of them here in US, and I'm not surprised to see the same from Russia.

One major difference between the collapse of USSR and theoretically USA: Regardless of recent events (financial crisis, etc) the US is still the center of the world's economy and even EU does not match the economic capabilities of US. China is generations behind US, once they reach our level their growth won't be as fast anymore. So unlike USSR, the collapse of US will devastate the whole world. No sensible country wants that to happen.

 

[jman19]

LOL @ that "analysis"

 

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Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Evan
Common sense and education.

:laugh:

You have an 'education' in voodoo economics and 'common sense' warped by corruption and patriotic blindness.

Says the reject with no college education?

Real common sense says that if you set up a system where people can externalize the costs of their demands for resources, the demands will continuously increase and those promising the resources will continuously promise more until there is nothing left. Empirical evidence (that you continuously just try to explain away with some voodoo economics) bears this out.

Link it and explain then.

The most hilarious part of all of this is that in this enormous market of corruption you are the one getting your resources raped away. And even if you did go into that market and tried to be the one doing the plundering, the market for corruption already has so many competing actors, your take would be rather meager.

The bankruptcy of this government will expose the bankruptcy of your intellect, and you will be left with little if anything at all.

No, I'll continue to look sensible and you'll continue to look like a conspiracy theorist that hides behind Internet anonymity.

 

[filetitan]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I have predicted the downfall of the USA. It's easy. Oh, you want to know when? Sorry, no damn clue, but every country has fallen so far, so it's in the fate of this one and all others. This guy is a fail if he thinks Russia is on track to surpass the US any time soon at all, the place still sucks and has a shrinking population (which is only a little over 100m IIRC).

Population:
140,702,096 (July 2008 est.)
Source: CIA


your off by 40

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: filetitan

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I have predicted the downfall of the USA. It's easy. Oh, you want to know when? Sorry, no damn clue, but every country has fallen so far, so it's in the fate of this one and all others. This guy is a fail if he thinks Russia is on track to surpass the US any time soon at all, the place still sucks and has a shrinking population (which is only a little over 100m IIRC).

Population:
140,702,096 (July 2008 est.)
Source: CIA


your off by 40

Can we say I'm off by 35M? "a little over" 100 maybe give me 5M?

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: jman19
LOL @ that "analysis"

x2

And it's nice to see that others in foreign countries are as clueless about us, as we are about them.

Fern

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
as much as we are at each others throats in here I don't think any of us would welcome the splitting up of the country.. This guy doesn't have a clue if he thinks those of us who live here don't care about nation as a whole even if we have different views about what is best.

Part of me agrees but I've meet Texans who consider themselves Texan first and American a distant second. These people do not believe in the concept of a United States of America.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
as much as we are at each others throats in here I don't think any of us would welcome the splitting up of the country.. This guy doesn't have a clue if he thinks those of us who live here don't care about nation as a whole even if we have different views about what is best.

Part of me agrees but I've meet Texans who consider themselves Texan first and American a distant second. These people do not believe in the concept of a United States of America.

I have an idea! Post your race, state of residence, education level, gender, and the type of vehicle you drive. Making generalizations is fun!

 

[Steeplerot]

I have heard of a few of these. I know of Cascasia (Northern CA up to Washington) California ( I do not see the other Lone Star state splitting of as one state alone), Texas (I think there is more chance of them becoming a state of Mexico then independent again), Vermont (Maybe they would go with Canada or Independent?), and the North Dakota tribes are trying to win independence, but what a terrible country that would be, landlocked and barren.
But none of these are realistically going to happen, sorry russkie cold war guy. Or none of them would last very long. (maybe California, but I could see CA being the new capital of the US if it fell anyhow)

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
as much as we are at each others throats in here I don't think any of us would welcome the splitting up of the country.. This guy doesn't have a clue if he thinks those of us who live here don't care about nation as a whole even if we have different views about what is best.

Part of me agrees but I've meet Texans who consider themselves Texan first and American a distant second. These people do not believe in the concept of a United States of America.

I have an idea! Post your race, state of residence, education level, gender, and the type of vehicle you drive. Making generalizations is fun!

I am sure there are Texans who consider themselves American first and Texan second but I haven't meet many.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: Drift3r
I am sure there are Texans who consider themselves American first and Texan second but I haven't meet many.

But if you pointed out that the Dallas cowboys could no longer play football with the rest of America would they still vote to leave the nation?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Genx87
We are in for a rough ride. But breaking up the United States is hard to do. What is so vulnerable about our political setup? We have checks and balances and a seperate military structure that doesnt pledge their allegiance to a man or party but the consitution.

It is precisely these fantasies that are going to bring this society to its knees (if it avoids completely and utter chaotic destruction).

Did you take time off from your street corner just to come in here and post that nonsense?!

GET BACK OUT THERE MAN!! THE PEOPLEZ NEEDZ TO KNOWZ THA TRUTH!

:roll:

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: Evan

Says the reject with no college education?

How do we know you have a college education? I already stated my education: B.A. in Mathematics-Computer Science.

In any event, it wouldn't matter if I really was a 'podunk' driving a beat up truck with a roll cage and a gun rack. My arguments still stand. You seem to think that an education brings authority on these subjects when it really doesn't. This is especially since the people who are 'educated' in economics disagree wildly on a whole range of fundamentals. It is actually a lot like a religion. Since the foundation is nonsense you have 50,000 factions bickering over how the voodoo really works. In reality it is just voodoo.

Link it and explain then.

Here ya go: Text

All the graphs and stats you need. That series of videos was created by a guy with a PhD. That's more education than you got.

No, I'll continue to look sensible and you'll continue to look like a conspiracy theorist that hides behind Internet anonymity.

You got me. I'm a regular Alex Jones fan boy. :roll:

It doesn't take a conspiracy theory to understand that those who are in power want to retain their power and get more of it. It has been this way forever.

As conspiracies go the award winning documentary The Century of the Self is the best I have seen.

Available on Google Video

 

[First]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Evan

Says the reject with no college education?

How do we know you have a college education? I already stated my education: B.A. in Mathematics-Computer Science.

In any event, it wouldn't matter if I really was a 'podunk' driving a beat up truck with a roll cage and a gun rack. My arguments still stand. You seem to think that an education brings authority on these subjects when it really doesn't. This is especially since the people who are 'educated' in economics disagree wildly on a whole range of fundamentals. It is actually a lot like a religion. Since the foundation is nonsense you have 50,000 factions bickering over how the voodoo really works. In reality it is just voodoo.

Economists agree very widely on market fundamentals, ranging from the business cycle, to inflation, to supply and demand. There's nothing voodoo about it and it's backed by a wide range of multiple regression models. Your ish isn't backed by anything quantitative.

Here ya go: Text

All the graphs and stats you need. That series of videos was created by a guy with a PhD. That's more education than you got.

I'm well aware of Martensen's views, I asked for your views and to actually explain them. Since you can't, your stance is nothing more than regurgitated mootness. Martensen is compelling in his argumentation (and certainly more qualified than myself), but of course I was asking for your, ahem, *qualified* opinion. Get it yet?

NYou got me. I'm a regular Alex Jones fan boy. :roll:

It doesn't take a conspiracy theory to understand that those who are in power want to retain their power and get more of it. It has been this way forever.

As conspiracies go the award winning documentary The Century of the Self is the best I have seen.

Available on Google Video

Yes, and in a society where people want to hold and maintain power, this nonsensical idea that an entire field of study (economics or otherwise) has all its fundamentals slip through the cracks of academia and every single independent researcher on the entire planet, just reeks of naivete. Every country on the planet must be insane for using some form of central economic planning while rejecting fixed exchange rates based on commodities like gold!

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: filetitan

Originally posted by: Genx87
We are in for a rough ride. But breaking up the United States is hard to do. What is so vulnerable about our political setup? We have checks and balances and a seperate military structure that doesnt pledge their allegiance to a man or party but the consitution.

I think this guy is blowing smoke. Russia is in decline, their demographics, their industry, their political situation is a mess. Tossing out the old cold war propaganda for old times sake imo.

And didnt Russia have a complete collapse of their financial system about 10 years ago?

they did, so he might be speaking from experience.

But the Soviet Union was a completely different beast than the US. The USSR was made up of many states of different and distinct cultures that persisted through Imperial and Soviet Russia. The US, while comprised of the colonial carvings of different nations, is fairly homogenous in its culture due to the mobility of the population and uniformity in language, customs and laws. Not to mention the fact that the central government has solidified its position since the Civil War. How many people really think of themselves as Virginians or North Dakotans as opposed to Americans? Well maybe the Texans but they're a very special kind of people at times.

 

[freegeeks]

we are going towards a more multipolar world, that's undeniable

 

[PokerGuy]

I'm not sure what's funnier. The utter stupidity and lack of understanding this guy demonstrates in his "analysis", or the fact that some people actually take it seriously.

Yeah, Russia will be one of the new global powers. Russia will be lucky to be able to produce food for it's people if oil continues to decline further.