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[nRollo]

Obviously he's no saint, but what has he done to deserve this?

I knew Gabe in college. I had a sack of sugar I was saving for a snack, and Gabe ate it! I will never forgive him!

JK

I don't know, I weigh 40 more than I did in college too, make jokes about my own weight all the time. I guess I resent Gabe for his role in "shader" day, spouting ATIs ad material like Carrot Top hawking phone time. That stuff about "Beware future drive updates from nVidia!". Yeah sure Gabe, we wouldn't the guys at nVidia to come up with ways for their cards to compete.....

 

[Genx87]

Are there any other developers/presidents of their developement firms who are as in-touch with their market as him?

That is debateable as he managed to make a game that doesnt exactly run stellar on cards that represented ~55% of the stand alone market last quarter.

Thanks for sticking that out there NYHoustonman. As you and other people have pointed out, whenever somebody posts the words "nVidia" or "ATI" he's instantly labelled as a "fanboy" and gets pummeled by the ignorant masses lurking around these forums.

Oh ya because NYHoustan with his "Nvidia POS" statement could never be constrused as a fanboy. Or how about some of your gems in this thread like

"Product Overhype"
"Driver Cheats"
"Screenshot Tampering"
"Performance Excuses"
"Developer Blaming"
"Paper Launches"

Now that was only through the 2nd sentence of your crying. I cant imagine why anybody would label you as a fanboi, wuld you?

 

[Creig]

Yes, you could construe my initial descriptions as fanboy type. But are they total fanboy comments or is there some truth in each one of them? You have to admit that nVidia does seem to have been making a series of bad calls lately, no?

 

I'm just glad to see that NV 52.14 drivers increased performance across 90% of the previously lacking scores. And that is with improved IQ. Shows that they are really trying to get this new architecture finally working the way it was supposed to. With the release of the new drivers they have become more competitive with ATI who is still in the lead. But the gap is definately closing. And the new 3.8's are out and cant wait to try them on my 9700np. :Q
And I will use the 52.14's on my 5900nu :Q

All is going well. Good for both sides. And my side too.

GM

 

[vss1980]

I'd just like to point out that little demo nvidia had for their FX line...... you know, the DAWN one...... well....

As it uses calls tailored to nvidia cards, I doubt there is many ways they could do this in DirectX. OpenGL is pretty customised and needs support for hardware to be coded in so it may be possible a wrapper could work.

Either way, its quite lame on nvidia's and whatever the shoddy software company calls itself. Fortunately I've not heard of one thing worth getting from these guys in terms of games so thats no biggie.
The reason I say its lame is because, in the early days everybody moaned because there were flaky standards at the start, then they moaned that the standards weren't good enough - these grumbles coming from both the hardware and software makers. Now for 'promotional purposes', they have taken a step backwards

What happened to the nvidia of old whose promotional ideas were to be seen as "masters of directx and opengl", the main API's available...... obviously when all else fails, fresh tactics.

 

[nRollo]

You have to admit that nVidia does seem to have been making a series of bad calls lately, no?

I bet they're making better calls than you are, Creig.
nVidia: develops cutting edge technology products
Creig: probably warms a chair somewhere
nVidia: most financially successful GPU firm for last five years
Creig: probably not most successful guy on his block
nVidia: buys companies
Creig: buys gum
nVidia: worldwide name recognition
Creig: who?

 

[spam]

Hi Rage187,

Please stop being a hypocrite.

there is a way to talk about issues without all the insult and name calling. Why demean yourself with such purile comments? -don't you have any self respectf?

When we insult others, we weaken our own position we reduce conversation to a flame war. Do you really think that calling people Nvidiots or fanboys is an effective way to argue? I challenge you to write something that is thoughful or meaningful. Otherwise you are wasting yorur time ......

 

[Jeff7181]

As it uses calls tailored to nvidia cards, I doubt there is many ways they could do this in DirectX. OpenGL is pretty customised and needs support for hardware to be coded in so it may be possible a wrapper could work.

That is essentially what nVidia is doing with their new drivers if I understand it correctly. While it's necessary to use a "wrapper" to get Dawn to run on ATI hardware, it's not necessary to use a "wrapper" to get DX9 code to run on nVidia hardware, but by using a "wrapper," nVidia is able to get DX9 code to run better on their hardware. Not unlike how programs can be compiled to run more efficiently on a specific processor.

 

[Tab]

What the hell! Goddamn Matrox Immaturity, their aquarium render wont work! I am going make a dumb post and complain about something that is free!

To whomever made this thread, your a fscking idiot. I am serious, your are stupid. If fAnTIc is ever in the dictionary you will be its defenition.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: gorillaman
I'm just glad to see that NV 52.14 drivers increased performance across 90% of the previously lacking scores. And that is with improved IQ. Shows that they are really trying to get this new architecture finally working the way it was supposed to. With the release of the new drivers they have become more competitive with ATI who is still in the lead. But the gap is definately closing. And the new 3.8's are out and cant wait to try them on my 9700np. :Q
And I will use the 52.14's on my 5900nu :Q

All is going well. Good for both sides. And my side too.

GM

Actually it's with lessened image quality. It's the same quality as ATI now, but lesser quality than the 4x.xx drivers.

 

[Creig]

And Rollo neatly sidesteps the question so he can continue to mindlessly insult people without actually adding anything meaningful to a topic. Again.


Whatever guys. Obviously you and Tabb have self-image problems and can only feel better about yourselves by insulting other people. And so another topic goes to the bottom-feeders. Hopefully there were some people who were able to filter out all the CRAP and understand my central point that what nVidia is attempting to do can only hurt the computer industry as a whole if it continues and is repeated by other companies.

 

[nRollo]

And Rollo neatly sidesteps the question so he can continue to mindlessly insult people without actually adding anything meaningful to a topic. Again.

Your topic wasn't meaningful Creig. It was just an anti nVidia flamebait post, a chance for you to try and point out all of nVidia's supposed crimes against humanity. Most of the people who responded picked up on that.
Like I said, I bet nVidia makes better decisions than you do.

 

[Genx87]

Yes, you could construe my initial descriptions as fanboy type. But are they total fanboy comments or is there some truth in each one of them? You have to admit that nVidia does seem to have been making a series of bad calls lately, no?


The only bad call Nvidia made was assuming Microsoft was going to support FP16 as the min for precision in DX9. The other is making a arch that requires good scheduling of instructions.

The driver issues imo are nothing more than a bunch of fanboy's acting like a bunch of old women haggling over really nothing. Ohhhhhh that pixel on the upper right hand corner doesnt look right, it has to be driver cheats.

I bet if they spent as much time looking at differences between Cat 3.xx and Cat 3.xx as they do 45.xx and 52.xx. The chances are they will probably see differences also. Whoopie fvcking do................The issues that are supposedly happening here are so miniscule unless you are a fanboy it wont matter because you wont see it in the game.

I read a thread yesterday on beyond3d that just blew my mind. These people were looking at everything and proclaiming the 52.xx as cheats. It is really sad what the hardware enthusiast community has become. A bunch of old women bitching over nothing.

 

[Pete]

Originally posted by: Creig
My post was meant as a warning that ANY brand of card owner should be concerned about. If nVidia's ploy of having developers code games to work only on their hardware we'll all end up having to read the back of game boxes to see if our specific brand/model of card is supported irregardless if it is actually MORE powerful than the ones listed.

That's not nVidia's "ploy." It's the publisher's prerogative to do what it thinks will give it the best ROI, and in this case it thought it would make (more) money by just coding for nVidia. It's not really the dev's fault (they'd do it if they'd get paid) or nV's fault (they offered an incentive that the publisher took).

Sure, coding for one architecture is bad form on the PC. But your concern in this case should clearly lie not with IHV but with the publisher.

 

[Johnbear007]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
welcome to GLIDE

Wow I was considering NVidia's next card. Now I will not buy anything from Nvidia OR Auran (not that I was planning on Auraon) but still that is some BS

 

[Johnbear007]

Originally posted by: Rage187
OMFG cry more n00b!

hopefully someone will cut your head off and rape your neck

 

[Genx87]

hopefully someone will cut your head off and rape your neck


All of this over a video card?

You people need to get a grip.

 

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: gorillaman
I'm just glad to see that NV 52.14 drivers increased performance across 90% of the previously lacking scores. And that is with improved IQ. Shows that they are really trying to get this new architecture finally working the way it was supposed to. With the release of the new drivers they have become more competitive with ATI who is still in the lead. But the gap is definately closing. And the new 3.8's are out and cant wait to try them on my 9700np. :Q
And I will use the 52.14's on my 5900nu :Q

All is going well. Good for both sides. And my side too.

GM

Actually it's with lessened image quality. It's the same quality as ATI now, but lesser quality than the 4x.xx drivers.

So nvidia reduced the image quality down to the level of ATI is what your saying? That nvidia's 4x.xx drivers had better image quality than ATI?
Because that is what I am getting from your post. As far as I have read, ATI was always better for IQ. What am I missing here?

Thanks
GM

 

[Genx87]

I can think of a couple of reviews where they pitted ATI and Nvidia against each other. When it all came down to it. The IQ difference was very little between the two. Through the wonder of Internet propoganda it has somehow came down to ATI IQ=good, Nvidia IQ=crap.

Basically the review I saw showed ATI AA slightly better than Nvidias AA. And Nvidias AF was slightly better than ATIs AF.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: gorillaman
So nvidia reduced the image quality down to the level of ATI is what your saying? That nvidia's 4x.xx drivers had better image quality than ATI?
Because that is what I am getting from your post. As far as I have read, ATI was always better for IQ. What am I missing here?

Thanks
GM

I'm basing this on recent screenshot comparisons. In many instances (and in my opinion) the 4x.xx series images were higher quality than either the ATI or 5x.xx quality.

This would seem to make sense, that in order to create a higher quality image one would have to take longer to put it together. This resulted in a huge framerate loss when compared to ATI. In order to be competitive speedwise, they had to lessen their quality. You don't just pull 60% performance increase out of your ass and attribute it to "optimizing". That's a lot more than optimizing.

 

Ok, that I can definately see.
I think AT said that the 52 series drivers will be out at the end of this month.
My 5900 is a waitin.... Yours to Genx...

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Genx87
hopefully someone will cut your head off and rape your neck


All of this over a video card?

You people need to get a grip.

No sh1t, didnt nvidia first start this with EarthViewer? The bridge game is fscking free, why the hell are you complaining? I think I am going to start a post about the gayness of Apple! XP wont work on it!

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: Genx87
hopefully someone will cut your head off and rape your neck


All of this over a video card?

You people need to get a grip.

No sh1t, didnt nvidia first start this with EarthViewer? The bridge game is fscking free, why the hell are you complaining? I think I am going to start a post about the gayness of Apple! XP wont work on it!

Only $19.95 to download the full version and receive the Bridge It CD, box and manual!

Buy It Now link


Try again Tabb.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: Genx87
hopefully someone will cut your head off and rape your neck


All of this over a video card?

You people need to get a grip.

No sh1t, didnt nvidia first start this with EarthViewer? The bridge game is fscking free, why the hell are you complaining? I think I am going to start a post about the gayness of Apple! XP wont work on it!

Only $19.95 to download the full version and receive the Bridge It CD, box and manual!

Buy It Now link


Try again Tabb.

Then don't buy it, if you haven't purchased the product you have no right to complain.

 

[rbV5]

Then don't buy it, if you haven't purchased the product you have no right to complain

Oh please, thats just BS. You have every right to complain, and they do have a forum for the product.