Sniff...sob...Go**amn it to He!!.....I wanted to play "Bridge it" so bad, and I have a 9800 Pro.
When will this persecution end?!?!?
WaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaH!
WaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaH!
Why do I even bother trying to build a gaming box?! nVidia foils me at every turn!
LOL- dude must not be old enough to remember when it was "Glide" or not at all. (or software at best)
When will this persecution end?!?!?
WaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaH!
WaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaH!
Why do I even bother trying to build a gaming box?! nVidia foils me at every turn!
LOL- dude must not be old enough to remember when it was "Glide" or not at all. (or software at best)
Wow. Do you ever have issues. Apparently your life revolves around insulting people online. Do you actually have a job or is this all you do all day long? I feel sorry for you.
I think Anandtech needs a Manners Moderator. Or two.
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, yea instead of being a dufus for whining, or flaming in THIS forum. Myself, I can play the game. I'd like to see it on a 5900 or my 9700 to compare it to my 4200, because it looks pretty good. This game is all in the gameplay though, not the eye candy. I've played it myself since it was a buggy Opengl stick game with amazing "Pong" like graphics (I think its still around somewhere) and its totally addicting. That game will play on about any rig and I think they (chronic logic) actually have several bridge building games. I don't have a problem that this game runs only on specific cards, but I'd like to see an Opengl port, and I think taking your complaint to the developer in their product forum makes sense to me if it bothers you so much...tell them what you think if you don't like it.
I've read some of the comments made by people who have played it and they seem totally obsessed with it. I'm sure it appeals to more people than simply engineers, that'd be WAY too small of a customer base.
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Here's a link to the original game web site.Bridge Builder I can't remember finishing this game last time I fired it up........
+1
Seriously. I suppose if I were a civil engineer I might care about the program, but somehow these all turn into zealot flamefests. Whatever. Quite amusing actually.
Rollo has serious confidence issues. Although he never participates in any *intellectual* debate, he can use the expression "anti nVidia flamebait post" until his hands fall off from typing it so much. There is no actual thinking in Video anymore - it's just post, spam flame spam. Too many people have vested interests in FX cards to not defend them to the death, while others just have vested interests in being trolls.
Too many people have vested interests in FX cards to not defend them to the death, while others just have vested interests in being trolls.
Then you add more fuel to the fire. Dont forget many people have vested interests in thier 9800s.
Then you add more fuel to the fire. Dont forget many people have vested interests in thier 9800s.
LOL With the definition of "intellectual" being anything you agree with, of course.
"Serious confidence issues"?
Maybe I'm wrong about you though Jiffy, let's see some of your "intellectual debates"
So you told a guy happy with his card it's not that good. Intellectual.
I guess knowing French is somewhat intellectual. (if it's not your native language anyway)
Cliches aren't usually intellectual....
Wisdom!
This says a lot! It doesn't tell us which effects will be missing, just that you have a vague idea some will be.
Patronizing people is always intellectual.
Insulting people- most enlightened.
You seem to be thinking a lot about insecurity, that's for sure.
I see.
Well, I could go on and on reposting your "intellectual debates" Jiffy, but my head is starting to hurt trying to understand all this highly technical jargon you're tossing around here! How the heck am I supposed to know what "effects", "video quality", and "magical" mean?! I'm not an engineer! You're almost worse than Ben with all this tech talk, I'm sure it goes over most of our heads. LOL
Wow, I'm honoured and delighted that you'd take such time and care to parse through so many posts of mine for your retort. And it most definately took some sifting through all my posts so you could catch me in my best light, eh . Apparently you consider me a worthy foe to match blows with, so I thank you for this dignity.
With respect to most of my posts, it's obvious that in Video I have been partaking in the, as it can be called, "ATI vs. Nvidia debaite" (and I'm definately trying to cut down on this). Here's my official **opinion alert** for the rest of my post. After this I am venting.
In all honesty I have been sick and tired of all of this kneejerk defense of Nvidia in Video recently. Maybe I'm not seeing something here, but in the last couple of months, Nvidia has been the one caught with their pants down several times regarding cheats in video drivers. Heck, there's even a string of drivers with reduced IQ (from 44.xx and up to the 51.xx series, with some being worse than others). And despite being warned by Gabe Newell and others to stay the heck away from the 5x.xx drivers, Nvidia finds a clever way around this. They announce NV38, which supposedly "requires" the 52.14 drivers to work (despite the fact that it's the same hardware as the NV35). Since NV38 now "must" be benched with 52.14, it's a convenient way to force that new driver down our throats and put it on all of their cards in benchmarks. It has also been shown that NV38 works fine with 4x.xx series drivers btw.
These kinds of tactics hurt their credibility in the short term in my books. Anytime I (or anyone else mentions this), the automatic reaction is to point out ATI doesn't have a flawless track record either. This is true, but just because of that are we to ignore the facts of the other company's doings?
Another, separate point I'd like to make is that recently, Nvidia has been using their once-highly useful system of "leaked drivers" to allow driver sets with reduced IQ, and other bugs into the market. You never know when a new detonator will pop up, and what it will fix or break. ATI has done a good job of quietly snuffing out leaks, and releasing a string of solid updates to the Catalyst series, with Catalyst 3.6, 3.7, and 3.8; all marked improvements in most people's cases over the previous ones in stability, bug fixes, and speed. Notice the subtle differences in their streamlined driver packages of how Nvidia uses four digits (to safely cover all the leaked drivers they release in between WHQL certified ones) to ATI's two, wich have all been WHQL certified or candidates for awhile now.
Now I don't want to start (yet another) flame war with you Rollo, so I'll say all that stuff I just mentioned about Nvidia cheating with the 5x.xx drivers, forcing inferior drivers (in some respects) on us customers, etc is my opinion. And if there's one thing that's obvious by now, it's that we're both more than stubborn enough to not have our viewpoints changed by one another.
So, let's just agree to disagree here, and try to be less bitter about it (the both of us).
. Apparently you consider me a worthy foe to match blows with, so I thank you for this dignity.With respect to most of my posts, it's obvious that in Video I have been partaking in the, as it can be called, "ATI vs. Nvidia debaite" (and I'm definately trying to cut down on this). Here's my official **opinion alert** for the rest of my post. After this I am venting.
In all honesty I have been sick and tired of all of this kneejerk defense of Nvidia in Video recently. Maybe I'm not seeing something here, but in the last couple of months, Nvidia has been the one caught with their pants down several times regarding cheats in video drivers. Heck, there's even a string of drivers with reduced IQ (from 44.xx and up to the 51.xx series, with some being worse than others). And despite being warned by Gabe Newell and others to stay the heck away from the 5x.xx drivers, Nvidia finds a clever way around this. They announce NV38, which supposedly "requires" the 52.14 drivers to work (despite the fact that it's the same hardware as the NV35). Since NV38 now "must" be benched with 52.14, it's a convenient way to force that new driver down our throats and put it on all of their cards in benchmarks. It has also been shown that NV38 works fine with 4x.xx series drivers btw.
These kinds of tactics hurt their credibility in the short term in my books. Anytime I (or anyone else mentions this), the automatic reaction is to point out ATI doesn't have a flawless track record either. This is true, but just because of that are we to ignore the facts of the other company's doings?
Another, separate point I'd like to make is that recently, Nvidia has been using their once-highly useful system of "leaked drivers" to allow driver sets with reduced IQ, and other bugs into the market. You never know when a new detonator will pop up, and what it will fix or break. ATI has done a good job of quietly snuffing out leaks, and releasing a string of solid updates to the Catalyst series, with Catalyst 3.6, 3.7, and 3.8; all marked improvements in most people's cases over the previous ones in stability, bug fixes, and speed. Notice the subtle differences in their streamlined driver packages of how Nvidia uses four digits (to safely cover all the leaked drivers they release in between WHQL certified ones) to ATI's two, wich have all been WHQL certified or candidates for awhile now.
Now I don't want to start (yet another) flame war with you Rollo, so I'll say all that stuff I just mentioned about Nvidia cheating with the 5x.xx drivers, forcing inferior drivers (in some respects) on us customers, etc is my opinion. And if there's one thing that's obvious by now, it's that we're both more than stubborn enough to not have our viewpoints changed by one another.
So, let's just agree to disagree here, and try to be less bitter about it (the both of us).
For my part, I'm not "defending" nVidia, I'm just trying to put forth a more rational perspective on their products. When people are saying things like "a 9600Pro is a better card than a 5900Ultra" and "nVidia AA does nothing at all", I can't just read and let it alone. There's been way too much nVidia bashing since Gaber Day, and using a game that is "supposed" to come out in half a year as your sole basis for a card purchase is nonsense. Yes, ATI runs DX9 better. However, there is nowhere near enough information (or games) available to make any decisions based on DX9 at all.
1. We don't know the exact differences between the IQ provided by nVidia's mixed mode and ATIs full presicion
2. There aren't really enough DX9 games out (and the ones that are have been lame) to care much about DX9
3. No current cards run DX9 well
4. Up to this point, OpenGL performance has been far more important to me than DXanything, because other than Max Payne, the Unreals, and GTA, every game I've liked has been based on a Quake engine.
I agree with everything you've said about the driver cheats. I don't like them either, and they were part of the reason I sold my FX5800 after one month. (that and the plummeting value after nVidia disavowed all knowledge of them)
I'll try to be less acrimonious.
See, this is what I don't get. Almost every new game coming out these days is DirectX. What has made OpenGL so important for you, Rollo?
Everything from Max Payne to Deus Ex, to every Unreal based game to Halo to HL2 to Homeworld2 to (on and on) is DirectX. The only OpenGL games I can think of off hand is Doom3 and Quake3 based games (namely the Jedi games right now).
Well, if I look through my games I see these based on OpenGL:
Q1/Q2/Q3/Q3 TA
Q1 Mission Packs 1&2
Shrak
RTCW
Alice
SOF2
Heretic 2
Hexen2
Elite Force 1
HM FAKK2
King Pin
Half Life
That's 16 of my games, and in that mix are many that I played the most. I have no reason to doubt that the card that runs Doom 3 the best will be a big deal to me as well, as I imagine that engine will be much licensed.
In recent times things have been shifting more to DirectX, I would agree. However, if I had to choose between these games and my Direct X games, I would pick these games.
So, that is why I say OpenGL has been more important to me so far. (and may be again once the Doom3 engine games start coming out)
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