More news on jobs, or rather the lack of jobs to be precise.

BOBDN

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I read these reassuring articles in this morning's Star Ledger business section.

The total frontal assault on the American middle class led by the Bush administration continues.

I hope there is enough of our economy left to salvage once Bush and Co. are sent packing in 2004.

Companies keep cutting payrolls

Verizon may trim work force by 20,000

Also this business brief from the Star Ledger not posted on their web site.

"Homebuilder to cut jobs"

"Champion Enterprises, the largest builder of prefabricated homes, said it is closing four plants and cutting about 13 percent of its work force as it struggles with poor demand for its homes.

The company said it will post $35 million in restructuring charges, mostly in the third quarter, as well as $39 million in noncash goodwill impairment charges.

Champion said it will also close 35 sales offices, leaving it with 80. About 1,000 emloyees will lose their jobs."


I LMAO when I read the statement Bush made yesterday in Missouri. He said he wouldn't be satisfied until every American who wants a job can find one. You have to look at that statement from the Bush perspective. until every American who wants a job can find one. Americans want to work. Americans must work. They will be forced to take whatever job they can find sooner or later just to keep food on the table. The only jobs they'll be able to find though under Bush's economic policies go something like this, "Would you like fries with your order?"


Along with all this the SEC is conducting several investigations into business as usual by companies like Prudential and Goldman Sachs who along with others continue to operate just as they did before the scandals of last summer which led to the market meltdown we witnessed that Bush swore he'd clean up. Where the hell is John Snow? Oh, probably having lunch with the same folks he used to schmooze with while he led CSX through 5 years of red ink as his salary and bonuses rose by millions.

Prudential probed on mutual funds

Goldman Sachs charged with profiting from illegal tip

Spitzer targets sweetheart deals of funds

Business as usual. The high rollers are raking in the dough any way they can while working people get screwed.

Clean up the markets? Uh huh. Another Bush promise broken. While more decent working people are losing their jobs these criminals just keep playing the same games as they rake in the dough. What a disgrace.

And yes, I place blame directly at the door to the Oval Office.

THE BUCK STOPS THERE!
 

Zebo

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THE BUCK STOPS THERE!

No it does'nt. I'm sure that dumb son-of-a-bitch will blame the CIA or Ms. Rice or something. But you forget the Repulican Modus operandi which is: Admit to nothing, Deny Everything, and Counter Accuse. Every one of them does it. You need look no futher than these threads.
 

BOBDN

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Originally posted by: Zebo
THE BUCK STOPS THERE!

No it does'nt. I'm sure that dumb son-of-a-bitch will blame the CIA or Ms. Rice or something. But you forget the Repulican Modus operandi which is: Admit to nothing, Deny Everything, and Counter Accuse. Every one of them does it. You need look no futher than these threads.

I agree, Zebo. But I do believe the veil is lifting. Americans are seeing the truth about the Bush administration finally and they are really pissed about what they see.

I hope America stays focused on the facts and rejects the propaganda and hype we've been fed by the Bush administration and those who still, somehow unexplainably, support them.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: Zebo
THE BUCK STOPS THERE!

No it does'nt. I'm sure that dumb son-of-a-bitch will blame the CIA or Ms. Rice or something. But you forget the Repulican Modus operandi which is: Admit to nothing, Deny Everything, and Counter Accuse. Every one of them does it. You need look no futher than these threads.

Agreed. Blame they can do. Accountability is a foreign concept.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: BOBDN
I hope America stays focused on the facts and rejects the propaganda and hype we've been fed by the Bush administration and those who still, somehow unexplainably, support them.


Many of them are here. Their explanations are the same everytime and make no sense. It's amazing to see.

Edit: I don't think Rush, Hannity and the others will be able to save the election this time. Their views and opinions are OK, just their Leader and his buddies are no good.



 

Bigdude

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Please explain how Democrats will restore jobs? Is it their plan to raise taxes? Or maybe the increased regulations on business? I want to hear, the plan.
 

LunarRay

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Restore jobs by any means! This means slapping the face of the Power Seekers who give the ropes managing the Republican Machine a huge tug and always in the wrong direction..
 

Bigdude

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Originally posted by: LunarRay
Restore jobs by any means! This means slapping the face of the Power Seekers who give the ropes managing the Republican Machine a huge tug and always in the wrong direction..


Please be specific!
 

BOBDN

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Originally posted by: Bigdude
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Restore jobs by any means! This means slapping the face of the Power Seekers who give the ropes managing the Republican Machine a huge tug and always in the wrong direction..


Please be specific!

You'd have to ask the Democratic leaders what their specific plans are to create jobs but I feel safe in saying it wouldn't be by targeting tax cuts to people who don't put the money back into the economy. Not once. Not twice. And definitely not three times as Bush is planning.

But if the Democrats today do half as good a job as Clinton at creating jobs they'll be doing 100 times better than Bush.
 

Bigdude

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Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: Bigdude
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Restore jobs by any means! This means slapping the face of the Power Seekers who give the ropes managing the Republican Machine a huge tug and always in the wrong direction..


Please be specific!

You'd have to ask the Democratic leaders what their specific plans are to create jobs but I feel safe in saying it wouldn't be by targeting tax cuts to people who don't put the money back into the economy. Not once. Not twice. And definitely not three times as Bush is planning.

But if the Democrats today do half as good a job as Clinton at creating jobs they'll be doing 100 times better than Bush.

Clinton did zero to create jobs! He destroyed jobs, endless new government regulations, laws and taxes. Just look to his donors and you know why. The Chinese government loved Clinton. What a bunch of pathetic losers, all you DemocRATs make me sick! Why don't you just move to China, that's where you belong!

 

Lucky

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Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: Bigdude
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Restore jobs by any means! This means slapping the face of the Power Seekers who give the ropes managing the Republican Machine a huge tug and always in the wrong direction..


Please be specific!

You'd have to ask the Democratic leaders what their specific plans are to create jobs but I feel safe in saying it wouldn't be by targeting tax cuts to people who don't put the money back into the economy. Not once. Not twice. And definitely not three times as Bush is planning.

But if the Democrats today do half as good a job as Clinton at creating jobs they'll be doing 100 times better than Bush.



Guess Germany and France are wrong in cutting taxes too, eh?

 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: Bigdude
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Restore jobs by any means! This means slapping the face of the Power Seekers who give the ropes managing the Republican Machine a huge tug and always in the wrong direction..


Please be specific!


Isolate a bit via tariff changes. Insist on fair markets or raise the tariff on that country's goods 200 - 300 %, Drop MFN status for everyone, End NAFTA, Impute sur tax on any company using non American workers to do their 'telephone' stuff, make it illegal to ship $ offshore to avoid US taxation, Close the door to any "sweat shop labor" material. As a start.
 

Red Dawn

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Giving Tax cuts to businesses that encourage them to employ Americans is what this country needs!
 

LunarRay

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I should add to my post that "Supply side economics" Art Laffer is called the father of this (today) has in his resume the following:

During the years 1972 to 1977, Dr. Laffer was a consultant to Secretary of the Treasury William Simon, Secretary of Defense Don Rumsfeld and Secretary of the Treasury George Shultz. He was the first to hold the title of Chief Economist at the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) under Mr. Shultz from October 1970 to July 1972.

I am Demand Sided. I think given the psychology aspect of the people, putting folks to work gives them not only the ability to purchase but also the mind set to do so. You put them to work by creating via deficit spending, large public works projects that also have the benefit of paying for themselves over time. The only good use of debt IMO is to empower the people. You also can give business tax credits to hire over some TBD level of employees. Additionally, if the tariff scheme is implemented business will have incentive to increase inventory with the expectation of revenue comming from increased US Company sales.. there are others too..
 

BOBDN

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Originally posted by: Bigdude
Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: Bigdude
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Restore jobs by any means! This means slapping the face of the Power Seekers who give the ropes managing the Republican Machine a huge tug and always in the wrong direction..


Please be specific!

You'd have to ask the Democratic leaders what their specific plans are to create jobs but I feel safe in saying it wouldn't be by targeting tax cuts to people who don't put the money back into the economy. Not once. Not twice. And definitely not three times as Bush is planning.

But if the Democrats today do half as good a job as Clinton at creating jobs they'll be doing 100 times better than Bush.

Clinton did zero to create jobs! He destroyed jobs, endless new government regulations, laws and taxes. Just look to his donors and you know why. The Chinese government loved Clinton. What a bunch of pathetic losers, all you DemocRATs make me sick! Why don't you just move to China, that's where you belong!

Employment grew 10.6% during the first Clinton administration and grew 9.3% during the second Clinton administration.

Employment has declined 1.9% during the current Bush administration. The WORST job creation record of any president since Herbert Hoover.

Bush's father holds the record for second worst record with total job growth of 2.35%.

Those are the facts Bigdud. Not just someone shooting their mouth off.
 

BOBDN

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PS Bigdud

The current Bush administration has seen the loss of an average of 84,000 jobs per month since coming to power.
 

Zephyr106

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Hahahha. Give tax cuts to people who own businesses so they can create jobs? Yeah, create them in China and India. Several studies are indicating that the jobs lost in the past few years will not come back because they have been moved overseas permanently. This is a new kind of unemployment. No good pure capitalist would create jobs in America where he has to pay his workers more.

Zephyr
 

dmcowen674

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It's pretty apparent BigDud and Zephr are probably recepients and enjoying the huge windfalls created by the current administration Economic Policies. When you are one of the few benefitting from the misery of the many you want it to stay that way. It is you guys that "the many" would like for "you" to move to China and India where you "sent" your workers.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: Bigdude
Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: Bigdude
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Restore jobs by any means! This means slapping the face of the Power Seekers who give the ropes managing the Republican Machine a huge tug and always in the wrong direction..


Please be specific!

You'd have to ask the Democratic leaders what their specific plans are to create jobs but I feel safe in saying it wouldn't be by targeting tax cuts to people who don't put the money back into the economy. Not once. Not twice. And definitely not three times as Bush is planning.

But if the Democrats today do half as good a job as Clinton at creating jobs they'll be doing 100 times better than Bush.

Clinton did zero to create jobs! He destroyed jobs, endless new government regulations, laws and taxes. Just look to his donors and you know why. The Chinese government loved Clinton. What a bunch of pathetic losers, all you DemocRATs make me sick! Why don't you just move to China, that's where you belong!

Employment grew 10.6% during the first Clinton administration and grew 9.3% during the second Clinton administration.

Employment has declined 1.9% during the current Bush administration. The WORST job creation record of any president since Herbert Hoover.

Bush's father holds the record for second worst record with total job growth of 2.35%.

Those are the facts Bigdud. Not just someone shooting their mouth off.

Dont forget the fact that unemployment peaked at 7.9% almost 2 years into Clintons administration.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: Bigdude
Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: Bigdude
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Restore jobs by any means! This means slapping the face of the Power Seekers who give the ropes managing the Republican Machine a huge tug and always in the wrong direction..


Please be specific!

You'd have to ask the Democratic leaders what their specific plans are to create jobs but I feel safe in saying it wouldn't be by targeting tax cuts to people who don't put the money back into the economy. Not once. Not twice. And definitely not three times as Bush is planning.

But if the Democrats today do half as good a job as Clinton at creating jobs they'll be doing 100 times better than Bush.

Clinton did zero to create jobs! He destroyed jobs, endless new government regulations, laws and taxes. Just look to his donors and you know why. The Chinese government loved Clinton. What a bunch of pathetic losers, all you DemocRATs make me sick! Why don't you just move to China, that's where you belong!

Employment grew 10.6% during the first Clinton administration and grew 9.3% during the second Clinton administration.

Employment has declined 1.9% during the current Bush administration. The WORST job creation record of any president since Herbert Hoover.

Bush's father holds the record for second worst record with total job growth of 2.35%.

Those are the facts Bigdud. Not just someone shooting their mouth off.

Dont forget the fact that unemployment peaked at 7.9% almost 2 years into Clintons administration.
And then they were able to reverse that trend? Impressive!
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: Bigdude
Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: Bigdude
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Restore jobs by any means! This means slapping the face of the Power Seekers who give the ropes managing the Republican Machine a huge tug and always in the wrong direction..


Please be specific!

You'd have to ask the Democratic leaders what their specific plans are to create jobs but I feel safe in saying it wouldn't be by targeting tax cuts to people who don't put the money back into the economy. Not once. Not twice. And definitely not three times as Bush is planning.

But if the Democrats today do half as good a job as Clinton at creating jobs they'll be doing 100 times better than Bush.

Clinton did zero to create jobs! He destroyed jobs, endless new government regulations, laws and taxes. Just look to his donors and you know why. The Chinese government loved Clinton. What a bunch of pathetic losers, all you DemocRATs make me sick! Why don't you just move to China, that's where you belong!

Employment grew 10.6% during the first Clinton administration and grew 9.3% during the second Clinton administration.

Employment has declined 1.9% during the current Bush administration. The WORST job creation record of any president since Herbert Hoover.

Bush's father holds the record for second worst record with total job growth of 2.35%.

Those are the facts Bigdud. Not just someone shooting their mouth off.

Dont forget the fact that unemployment peaked at 7.9% almost 2 years into Clintons administration.
And then they were able to reverse that trend? Impressive!


Yes, but it keep going up until it went down. Unemployment is a trailing indicator of a improving economy.
 

Ppower

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Originally posted by: Bigdude
Please explain how Democrats will restore jobs? Is it their plan to raise taxes? Or maybe the increased regulations on business? I want to hear, the plan.

Not saying it is a demo plan. But, for a start...Kill off H-1B and L-1 visa programs and send them all home. Then at the sametime raise taxes and import fees on goods made in cheap labor countries. Off setting the the benefit to use cheap labor over there vs paying Americans to make it. Also, change trade relations with these countries and others that make so they have to accept more of our goods if they want to keep doing business with the US.



 

Engineer

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It may be a little trailing, but CNN reports that we've been out of the Recession for 21 months.....how many years does it trail? (Rhetorical question)...

 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Engineer
It may be a little trailing, but CNN reports that we've been out of the Recession for 21 months.....how many years does it trail? (Rhetorical question)...


Good question. I have no idea what the average recovery time is, but i know recoverys often take several years.