More Lies From Mittens

[momeNt]

You continue to pretend that a loan made in 2006, at a time when banks were freely giving money to anyone who wanted it, has anything to do with trying to get a loan at the very peak of the financial crisis, a time when banks wouldn't give money to anyone.

You are either incredibly stupid, or incredibly dishonest.

What he is saying, and you are too stupid or dishonest to realize this, is that Ford saw that their cars were shit back in 2006. The other companies were too stupid to realize that nobody wanted their shit cars and waited too long before sounding the alarm.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

He should call up his broker and demand to buy some Apple stock at $300. That's what it was two years ago.

 

[First]

I'd love to see some fact checking of Biden speeches, or anyone else's for that matter.

Point is, the speech could have been a overstatement or misstep on accident. Especially seeing is how the ad, which came after, doesn't say "all production". Also, no story, and no one gave anyone the idea it was going to be "all production". Its doubtful the Romney campaign took it upon themselves, without backup, to make this statement willingly. They may be dumb, but they aren't that dumb.

This is getting blown way out of proportion, IMO. Also, the OP was completely wrong yet he gets a nice bailout by randomrouge who does make a point to Romney overstating things. But the ad, which all this hoopla is about, is not a blatant lie.

But I already know, righties make mistakes = blatant lies. Lefties make mistakes = honest misstep/accident. Who am I do to apply the same to right as you people do to the left.

Jesus, you're on a roll getting bent over and humiliated in all these threads. Congrats!

 

[Charles Kozierok]

What he is saying, and you are too stupid or dishonest to realize this, is that Ford saw that their cars were shit back in 2006. The other companies were too stupid to realize that nobody wanted their shit cars and waited too long before sounding the alarm.

No, that is not what he was saying. He responded to a comment pointing out that nobody would loan GM and Chrysler money saying that banks were willing to loan Ford money. Thereby implying that the other two could have gotten money as well.

He didn't mention the difference in timing. I looked that up and pointed it out.

Ford supported the auto bailout. They also asked for a multi-billion dollar line of credit as a "safeguard against worsening conditions".

Go sell the revisionism somewhere else.

 

[First]

What he is saying, and you are too stupid or dishonest to realize this, is that Ford saw that their cars were shit back in 2006. The other companies were too stupid to realize that nobody wanted their shit cars and waited too long before sounding the alarm.

Please note that people do not take tards that pimp loons like Ron Paul seriously.

FYI.

 

[hal2kilo]

What he is saying, and you are too stupid or dishonest to realize this, is that Ford saw that their cars were shit back in 2006. The other companies were too stupid to realize that nobody wanted their shit cars and waited too long before sounding the alarm.

Wow, things change over time, imagine that.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...jIHQBw&usg=AFQjCNGbKzfWbA6FSLrkDaWOKdD-nq_Vjg

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Please note that people do not take tards that pimp loons like Ron Paul seriously.

At least he's posting on-topic and not just taking childish pot shots at others.

 

[Matt1970]

What he is saying, and you are too stupid or dishonest to realize this, is that Ford saw that their cars were shit back in 2006. The other companies were too stupid to realize that nobody wanted their shit cars and waited too long before sounding the alarm.

These guys are all just going to defend anything Obama does to the death. Can you imagine if it was all Bush that gave the loans and forced them to close 1100 Dealerships causing countless people to lose thier jobs?

 

[xBiffx]

At least he's posting on-topic and not just taking childish pot shots at others.

Well said. Much respect, Charles.

 

[momeNt]

Please note that people do not take tards that pimp loons like Ron Paul seriously.

FYI.

Noted, and ignored. Anybody who wants to read can read, anybody who doesn't, won't read.

 

[emperus]

These guys are all just going to defend anything Obama does to the death. Can you imagine if it was all Bush that gave the loans and forced them to close 1100 Dealerships causing countless people to lose thier jobs?

My gosh. You do realize Bush started the auto bailouts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoZtpZvML-E

What is up with people like you and Biff.

 

[First]

At least he's posting on-topic and not just taking childish pot shots at others.

Meh. At a certain point people just need to be berated. I mean really, you have people at ATPN so far gone from reality that they think Ford was prescient and should be emulated but because GM and the vast majority of well-run businesses didn't see the 08 financial crisis coming, they should all go out of business, causing millions of job losses because of bad behavior in one industry. A very unique industry at that, as it provides the lifeblood for payrolls for perfectly legitimate businesses.

Stupid shit like that gets laughed out of classrooms and academia. Hence the berating.

 

[emperus]

At least he's posting on-topic and not just taking childish pot shots at others.

I don't know. He took a cheap shot at someone while mis-characterized the argument that was being had. How is that any better?

 

[Ldir]

My gosh. You do realize Bush started the bailouts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoZtpZvML-E

What is up with people like you and Biff.

Low information voters.

They must have slept through 2008. It was all over the news then. Credit had dried up so badly that even profitable businesses were closing because they could not get routine operating loans. It's why the crash was so deep.

 

[Matt1970]

My gosh. You do realize Bush started the bailouts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoZtpZvML-E

What is up with people like you and Biff.

That's why I put the "All" in there. I know Bush did the first round in the bailouts.

 

[First]

Btw, prove there was enough private financing available for auto companies to survive mid-Sept. 2008 to early 2009, or shut the fuck up.

 

[dank69]

Low information voters.

They must have slept through 2008. It was all over the news then. Credit had dried up so badly that even profitable businesses were closing because they could not get routine operating loans. It's why the crash was so deep.

These two aren't low information voters. They are misinformation voters.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

These guys are all just going to defend anything Obama does to the death.

I'm not defending Obama. I'm opposing your blatant dishonesty and/or stupidity in suggesting an auto loan 2 years before a crisis has anything to do with trying to get loans after it.

 

[momeNt]

Meh. At a certain point people just need to be berated. I mean really, you have people at ATPN so far gone from reality that they think Ford was prescient and should be emulated but because GM and the vast majority of well-run businesses didn't see the 08 financial crisis coming, they should all go out of business, causing millions of job losses because of bad behavior in one industry. A very unique industry at that, as it provides the lifeblood for payrolls for perfectly legitimate businesses.

Stupid shit like that gets laughed out of classrooms and academia. Hence the berating.

Yea but you've been following me around for a year or so. You need a better hobby.

 

[emperus]

That's why I put the "All" in there. I know Bush did the first round in the bailouts.

I bet you did. I don't have much respect for anything you say. You're lazy in your research and intellectually dishonest. If you are really attempting to have a healthy debate, you should have done some homework first. Except you choose to pull shit out your ass that is indefensible. Read your last few posts. They are rife with things that are just categorically not true. It's just hard to know where to begin to correct you.

You wrote this. Ask yourself, what were the alternatives at that point? You are talking about thousands of jobs. The whole US car industry was on the verge of collapse. How many jobs was that?

These guys are all just going to defend anything Obama does to the death. Can you imagine if it was all Bush that gave the loans and forced them to close 1100 Dealerships causing countless people to lose thier jobs?

 

[Matt1970]

I bet you did. I don't have much respect for anything you say. You're lazy in your research and intellectually dishonest. If you are really attempting to have a healthy debate, you should have done some homework first. Except you choose to pull shit out your ass that is indefensible. Read your last few posts. They are rife with things that are just categorically not true. It's just hard to know where to begin to correct you.

You wrote this. Ask yourself, what were the alternatives at that point? You are talking about thousands of jobs. The whole US car industry was on the verge of collapse. How many jobs was that?

What exactly did I say that wasn't true? I never said they should file Chapter 7 and let um sink. They should have filed Chapter 13 and had a court manage/settle a lot of thier debt. I highly doubt a bankruptcy court would force them to close 1100 Dealerships many of which were very profitable.

 

[HomerJS]

What exactly did I say that wasn't true? I never said they should file Chapter 7 and let um sink. They should have filed Chapter 13 and had a court manage/settle a lot of thier debt. I highly doubt a bankruptcy court would force them to close 1100 Dealerships many of which were very profitable.

Ford disagrees with you

 

[Juddog]

What exactly did I say that wasn't true? I never said they should file Chapter 7 and let um sink. They should have filed Chapter 13 and had a court manage/settle a lot of thier debt. I highly doubt a bankruptcy court would force them to close 1100 Dealerships many of which were very profitable.

A chapter 13 filing would still have hurt them and resulted in jobs being lost.

 

[First]

Yea but you've been following me around for a year or so. You need a better hobby.

You're not important or smart enough to follow around for a thread, let alone a whole year.

Like I said, there's no arguing with someone that doesn't see the insanity of letting perfectly legitimate businesses go bankrupt in late 2008/early 2009 because of pure greed, stupidity and a perfect storm of bad laws that fostered it, in one single industry i.e. finance. All because of inane ideology.

 

[emperus]

Romney Vs. the Automakers

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/01/opinion/mitt-romney-versus-the-automakers.html?smid=fb-share

When General Motors tells a presidential campaign that it is engaging in “cynical campaign politics at its worst,” that’s a pretty good signal that the campaign has crossed a red line and ought to pull back. Not Mitt Romney’s campaign. Having broadcast an outrageously deceitful ad attacking the auto bailout, the campaign ignored the howls from carmakers and came back with more