More Lies From Mittens

[Perknose]

Romney Doubles Down on Auto Industry Lies

Lie No. 1: Contrary to Romney's claim, Detroit and Chrysler are not moving jobs and the making of Jeeps to China. In fact, they are selling Jeeps to China and they are adding $500 million and 1,100 workers to their Ohio Jeep plant. Chrysler smacked down Romney's lie when he first said it and now Romney is up with an ad repeating the lie, ignoring Chrysler.

Chrysler Chief Executive Sergio Marchionne was forced to send employees an E-mail Tuesday afternoon: "I feel obliged to unambiguously restate our position: Jeep production will not be moved from the United States to China."

Hello, Mitt? Apologize and take down your TV ad. Instead, he is buying more air time and putting up radio ads with the same lie.

Lie No. 2: This is the one Romney has been repeating over and over about the American auto industry—he would have saved it with his "managed bankruptcy." I worked for GM; there was no way the auto companies could have survived without Barack Obama's rescue and with the decision to provide bridge loans and government help. Romney's plan was not Obama's plan—as he would try and make you believe. His plan was to get private capital, and as Steve Rattner, who ran the rescue team, and everyone else has stated, there was no private money. Even the conservative Detroit News praised President Obama and referred to Romney's "wrong-headedness on the auto bailout…he was wrong in suggesting the automakers could have found operating capital in the private markets."

When Romney called for letting Detroit go bankrupt, he meant it, because his view was the popular one at the time—no more bailouts, no more government money or intervention, enough already. Romney was playing politics. And he knew no one would buy a car from a bankrupt car company, unless the government stepped in to help.

Piling BLATANT Lie No. 1 on top of weasel Lie No. 2 . . . Is there no depths to which Willard will not sink? D:

 

[Jimzz]

Romney lie, NAAaaaaaaaaaaa...

The republican party has been over taken by the nuts. I'm voting Gary Johnson and hope more republicans will to show the Republican party needs to get its head out of it a_s.

 

[xBiffx]

Doesn't matter what Chrysler CEO says because he answers to Fiat. Fiat indicated this was the case.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...ild-all-jeep-models-as-suv-demand-climbs.html

Until they pulled the plug on it once they say the negative publicity. Now they stressing that they are just adding to their production in China.

http://thehill.com/blogs/transporta...ceo-says-jeep-production-isnt-moving-to-china

They still are moving production of Jeeps to China. Yes, that doesn't mean its going away in Michigan/Ohio but that isn't what was said either. There still are Jeep production jobs going to China.

But hey, call Romney a liar for acting on credible information at the time. Want to blame someone, blame the corrupt media who have fallen asleep at the wheel.

Blatant lie not found.

As for your second point. What if's are in Narnia, not Detroit.

 

[QuantumPion]

Romney said he was in favor of government-backed loan gaurantees for the GM bankruptcy. Obama criticized Romney for saying this, even though that is exactly what Obama did. Complaining about Romney's stance on the GM bankruptcy is intellectually dishonest on a ridiculous level - it is outright doublethink.

 

[Matt1970]

Yep, Chrysler is considering moving to China, just like Romney said.

 

[emperus]

Doesn't matter what Chrysler CEO says because he answers to Fiat. Fiat indicated this was the case.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...ild-all-jeep-models-as-suv-demand-climbs.html

Until they pulled the plug on it once they say the negative publicity. Now they stressing that they are just adding to their production in China.

http://thehill.com/blogs/transporta...ceo-says-jeep-production-isnt-moving-to-china

They still are moving production of Jeeps to China. Yes, that doesn't mean its going away in Ohio but that isn't what was said either. There still are Jeep production jobs going to China.

But hey, call Romney a liar for acting on credible information at the time. Want to blame someone, blame the corrupt media who have fallen asleep at the wheel.

Blatant lie not found.

As for your second point. What if's are in Narnia, not Detroit.

Wow, you are stunningly incapable of formulating a thought Fox News does not give you. I read both articles. The closest thing is that "maybe" which the person did not accredit to anyone. In fact, when a company is spending 1.7 billion upgrading a plant, you would think they have plans to stay in that area for the foreseeable future. But, some reason, I believe Romney knew that when he made the ad. Like he knows that know and still runs the ad.

But, on a side note. If Romney wanted to help stop outsourcing of jobs, he maybe should call Bain and tell them to stop buying profitable US companies and relocating them overseas. Google Sensata.

 

[xBiffx]

Wow, you are stunningly incapable of formulating a thought Fox News does not give you. I read both articles. The closest thing is that "maybe" which the person did not accredit to anyone. In fact, when a company is spending 1.7 billion upgrading a plant, you would think they have plans to stay in that area for the foreseeable future. But, some reason, I believe Romney knew that when he made the ad. Like he knows that know and still runs the ad.

But, on a side note. If Romney wanted to help stop outsourcing of jobs, he maybe should call Bain and tell them to stop buying profitable US companies and relocating them overseas. Google Sensata.

Production, and therefore jobs, are still going to China. No one ever said production here was shutting down.

I don't watch, read, or visit Fox so sorry that doesn't fit with your narrative.

 

[xBiffx]

The script of the ad for all the mental cases in here.

Barack Obama says he saved the auto industry. But for who? Ohio or China? Under President Obama, GM cut 15,000 American jobs, but they are planning to double the number of cars built in China, which means 15,000 more jobs for China. And now comes word that Chrysler plans to start making Jeeps in, you guessed it, China.

What happened to the promises made to autoworkers in Toledo and throughout Ohio? The same hard-working men and women who were told that Obama’s auto bailout would help them?

Mitt Romney grew up in the Auto Industry. Maybe that’s why the Detroit News endorsed him, saying, ‘Romney understands the industry and will shield it from regulators who never tire of churning out new layers of mandates.

Mitt Romney – he’ll stand up for the auto industry. In Ohio, not China.

Again, no mention of US production going completely to China.

 

[randomrogue]

http://factcheck.org/2012/10/romney-distorts-facts-on-jeep-auto-bailout/

 

[Perknose]

http://factcheck.org/2012/10/romney-distorts-facts-on-jeep-auto-bailout/

^^^And there you have it: Romney lied.

 

[jjanders1979]

No one ever said production here was shutting down.

Except Romney himself at a campaign event.

 

[Juddog]

^^^And there you have it: Romney lied.

Sad part is that literally some of my friends on facebook are claiming that the fact checking sites are biased. Except when they fact-check Obama, of course.

 

[emperus]

The script of the ad for all the mental cases in here.

Again, no mention of US production going completely to China.

Xbiff, I know you are smarter than this. What was the point of that ad? Do you believe Romney does not believe in outsourcing jobs or opening up production in other countries? He pioneered outsourcing while at Bain. MY gosh, he says he has offshore bank accounts for foreign investors. So, what is the point of that ad?

This is what he initially said at a rally

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...07c606-22c9-11e2-8448-81b1ce7d6978_story.html

“I saw a story today that one of the great manufacturers in this state, Jeep, now owned by the Italians, is thinking of moving all production to China,” the Republican presidential nominee proclaimed, referring to the automaker President Obama saved from dissolution with taxpayer funds. “I will fight for every good job in America.”

Then he makes the ad. The worst thing is that it caused a lot of employees to think they were losing their jobs.

It's one thing to not read the news and be an uninformed voter. It's one thing to read the news and be willfully uninformed.

 

[LTC8K6]

http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...en-missing-fiat-sales-target-by-19-billion#p1

Fiat may indeed build Jeeps in Italy and export them back to the US. They certainly talked about this.

Fiat is in control here and Fiat is not doing well.

To counter the severe slump in European sales, Marchionne is considering building Chrysler models in Italy, including Jeeps, for export to North America. The Italian government is evaluating tax rebates on export goods to help Fiat. Marchionne may announce details of his plan as soon as Oct. 30, the people said.

 

[Dari]

They aren't moving production to China. They are building vehicles in CHina for the CHinese market. If they built it here and sold it to the Chinese it would be uncompetitive price-wise. The Chinese add a lot of taxes to vehicles that are foreign-made.

 

[randomrogue]

Look, Romney is a terrible candidate with very little moral character and an inability to tell the truth. Accept that, vote for anyone but him, and be happy.

 

[xBiffx]

I'd love to see some fact checking of Biden speeches, or anyone else's for that matter.

Point is, the speech could have been a overstatement or misstep on accident. Especially seeing is how the ad, which came after, doesn't say "all production". Also, no story, and no one gave anyone the idea it was going to be "all production". Its doubtful the Romney campaign took it upon themselves, without backup, to make this statement willingly. They may be dumb, but they aren't that dumb.

This is getting blown way out of proportion, IMO. Also, the OP was completely wrong yet he gets a nice bailout by randomrouge who does make a point to Romney overstating things. But the ad, which all this hoopla is about, is not a blatant lie.

But I already know, righties make mistakes = blatant lies. Lefties make mistakes = honest misstep/accident. Who am I do to apply the same to right as you people do to the left.

 

[randomrogue]

I'd love to see some fact checking of Biden speeches, or anyone else's for that matter.

Point is, the speech could have been a overstatement or misstep on accident. Especially seeing is how the ad, which came after, doesn't say "all production". Also, no story, and no one gave anyone the idea it was going to be "all production". Its doubtful the Romney campaign took it upon themselves, without backup, to make this statement willingly. They may be dumb, but they aren't that dumb.

This is getting blown way out of proportion, IMO. Also, the OP was completely wrong yet he gets a nice bailout by randomrouge who does make a point to Romney overstating things. But the ad, which all this hoopla is about, is not a blatant lie.

But I already know, righties make mistakes = blatant lies. Lefties make mistakes = honest misstep/accident. Who am I do to apply the same to right as you people do to the left.

For the record I think both parties are terrible. Completely terrible. I don't justify one party's poor behavior with the poor behavior of the other. Both should be dragged out and exposed to the population at every opportunity. You're defending one for no good reason.

 

[Phokus]

Good god biff, you are beyond fucking retarded and you're getting worse every single day.

 

[emperus]

I'd love to see some fact checking of Biden speeches, or anyone else's for that matter.

Point is, the speech could have been a overstatement or misstep on accident. Especially seeing is how the ad, which came after, doesn't say "all production". Also, no story, and no one gave anyone the idea it was going to be "all production". Its doubtful the Romney campaign took it upon themselves, without backup, to make this statement willingly. They may be dumb, but they aren't that dumb.

This is getting blown way out of proportion, IMO. Also, the OP was completely wrong yet he gets a nice bailout by randomrouge who does make a point to Romney overstating things. But the ad, which all this hoopla is about, is not a blatant lie.

But I already know, righties make mistakes = blatant lies. Lefties make mistakes = honest misstep/accident. Who am I do to apply the same to right as you people do to the left.

So Xbiff. Simple question. What was the point of the ad?

It seems like this is a common incidence to you. You're wrong, you get called out, you continue on that path for a while, when that path is totally untenable, you abandon it without admitting you were wrong and just move on to a another topic in the thread or just another thread.

 

[Juddog]

I'd love to see some fact checking of Biden speeches, or anyone else's for that matter.

Point is, the speech could have been a overstatement or misstep on accident. Especially seeing is how the ad, which came after, doesn't say "all production". Also, no story, and no one gave anyone the idea it was going to be "all production". Its doubtful the Romney campaign took it upon themselves, without backup, to make this statement willingly. They may be dumb, but they aren't that dumb.

This is getting blown way out of proportion, IMO. Also, the OP was completely wrong yet he gets a nice bailout by randomrouge who does make a point to Romney overstating things. But the ad, which all this hoopla is about, is not a blatant lie.

But I already know, righties make mistakes = blatant lies. Lefties make mistakes = honest misstep/accident. Who am I do to apply the same to right as you people do to the left.

Both parties get fact-checked. If a candidate doesn't like being fact checked, then they shouldn't spit out lies. Biden does get fact-checked and so does Obama.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

The Romney campaign ad says Obama "sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China" at the cost of American jobs. The ad leaves the clear impression that Jeeps built in China come at the expense of American workers.

The ad miscasts the government’s role in Fiat’s acquisition of Chrysler, and it misrepresents the outcome. Chrysler’s owners had been trying to sell to Italy-based Fiat before Obama took office. The ad ignores the return of American jobs to Chrysler Jeep plants in the United States, and it presents the manufacture of Jeeps in China as a threat, rather than an opportunity to sell cars made in China to Chinese consumers. It strings together facts in a way that presents an wholly inaccurate picture.

We rate the statement Pants on Fire!

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...omney-obama-chrysler-sold-italians-china-ame/

 

[Juddog]

So Xbiff. Simple question. What was the point of the ad?

It seems like this is a common incidence to you. You're wrong, you get called out, you continue on that path for a while, when that path is totally untenable, you abandon it without admitting you were wrong and just move on to a another topic in the thread or just another thread.

Easy answer - his personality type can't admit they were wrong.

The easiest analogy is that it's like a house of cards. If the bottom of the house begins to tumble, it takes the rest of the cards with it. People like that don't want to see their creation tumble, so will avoid anything which risks disrupting the house of cards, continuing to build lies on top of bullsh!t that was based off of a misunderstanding or faulty view of the world.

 

[xBiffx]

So Xbiff. Simple question. What was the point of the ad?

It seems like this is a common incidence to you. You're wrong, you get called out, you continue on that path for a while, when that path is totally untenable, you abandon it without admitting you were wrong and just move on to a another topic in the thread or just another thread.

You are daft. Romney is pointing out that a US car manufacturer, one that received bailout money from the government, one that was purchased by an Italian manufacturer, is increasing production in China.

Some people care that those production jobs are not here, given the sizable US investment. Some people would rather see Jeep make the cars here and ship them to China. It makes some people ask why we are giving federal dollars to a company so that they can go spend them in China. The ad was trying to reach people who might connect with this message.

But, obviously, the ad was a blatant lie.

 

[Dulanic]

Sad part is that literally some of my friends on facebook are claiming that the fact checking sites are biased. Except when they fact-check Obama, of course.

The fact checks ARE biased. As long as they prove your fantasy land wrong.