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GrumpyMan

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My HOA today at my town homes put up a notice that the home owners were responsible for watering the foundations to the town homes they own and nearby yard because we are responsible for any cracks in the slabs and the look of the lawns in this drought we are having, which is all well and good.
What they forgot to mention was that a year or two ago they had the maintenance men take off all the outside water spigots on all the buildings so the home owners wouldn't waste water and create low water pressure.....so I guess I'll get out my squirt gun and have at it........???
 

Arkaign

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My HOA today at my town homes put up a notice that the home owners were responsible for watering the foundations to the town homes they own and nearby yard because we are responsible for any cracks in the slabs and the look of the lawns in this drought we are having, which is all well and good.
What they forgot to mention was that a year or two ago they had the maintenance men take off all the outside water spigots on all the buildings so the home owners wouldn't waste water and create low water pressure.....so I guess I'll get out my squirt gun and have at it........???

That sucks. That could even lead to a paradox if your local gov't has a watering ban/moratorium as is common when water supplies are lowered by a drought.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Sep 22, 2007
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Fuck you, if I want to leave shit on my lawn, what the fuck has it got to do with you?

Live somewhere else then. While some HOAs might go overboard (the one in the OP certainly did), they do have rules for (mostly) good reasons and they are disclosed when you buy the property. Go ahead and try selling a house next to a guy who has shit all over his yard, 12" grass, etc. and get back to me. That's one of the reasons why HOAs were formed in the first place, because people were tired of lazy, trashy people buying houses and letting them turn to shit and as a result, lowering property values. If your shit affects MY property values, you're damn right I'm going to bitch. Don't like it? Move out to the boonies with no neighbors for miles or HOAs.
 
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Mike Gayner

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Live somewhere else then. While some HOAs might go overboard (the one in the OP certainly did), they do have rules for (mostly) good reasons and they are disclosed when you buy the property. Go ahead and try selling a house next to a guy who has shit all over his yard, 12" grass, etc. and get back to me. That's one of the reasons why HOAs were formed in the first place, because people were tired of lazy, trashy people buying houses and letting them turn to shit and as a result, lowering property values. If your shit affects MY property values, you're damn right I'm going to bitch. Don't like it? Move out to the boonies with no neighbors for miles or HOAs.

I don't live in a HOA area (as far as I know HOA's dont exist here) and strangely enough it's not an apocalyptic-style wasteland. Maybe that's because we actually communicate with our neighbours.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Sep 22, 2007
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I don't live in a HOA area (as far as I know HOA's dont exist here) and strangely enough it's not an apocalyptic-style wasteland. Maybe that's because we actually communicate with our neighbours.

You're lucky. Some neighbors don't give a shit and you're screwed if they don't keep their property up and it causes your property to drop in value. My in-laws are going through that now with a neighbor across the street. My FIL literally broke down and went over and mowed their damn lawn for them because they (the in-laws) had a house showing and in this poor housing climate, they couldn't afford to have a crappy neighbor screw up their chances.
 

Howard

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You're lucky. Some neighbors don't give a shit and you're screwed if they don't keep their property up and it causes your property to drop in value. My in-laws are going through that now with a neighbor across the street. My FIL literally broke down and went over and mowed their damn lawn for them because they (the in-laws) had a house showing and in this poor housing climate, they couldn't afford to have a crappy neighbor screw up their chances.
Yeah and how much did that cost? 15 minutes?
 

IndyColtsFan

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Sep 22, 2007
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Are you freaking kidding me? You're seriously saying it was OK for him to spend his own money, time, and effort doing that because the lazy fucks living at the house (who were 30 years younger than my FIL) let the grass get 14" high and didn't feel like they should keep their house up because it might have "only" taken him 15 minutes? I don't care if it took him 10 seconds and cost a nickel -- that isn't the point.

Why own a house if you won't take care of it? Why have such little respect for your neighbors (who are obviously trying to sell their place) and most of all, yourself?
 
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Howard

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Are you freaking kidding me? You're seriously saying it was OK for him to spend his own money, time, and effort doing that because the lazy fucks living at the house (who were 30 years younger than my FIL) let the grass get 14" high and didn't feel like they should keep their house up? I don't care if it took him 10 seconds and cost a nickel -- that isn't the point.
By what right was your FIL able to impose his will on others? If they don't do shit then they don't do shit. Life is a bitch and then you die.
Why own a house if you won't take care of it? Why have such little respect for your neighbors (who are obviously trying to sell their place) and most of all, yourself?
1 - not relevant
2 - i can't speak for his neighbor
3 - i can't speak for his neighbor (and if you're actually referring to me specifically, again i say - not relevant)

Perhaps an HOA would be a good fit for you. Me, I'd rather not get fucked for all sorts of senseless shit.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Sep 22, 2007
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By what right was your FIL able to impose his will on others? If they don't do shit then they don't do shit. Life is a bitch and then you die.

These people were asked repeatedly to mow their lawn and didn't do it. They had no HOA to appeal to nor were they within town limits, so the town ordinances wouldn't apply. So my FIL offered to mow their lawn and the lazy fucks didn't even bother picking up the kid's toys. The freeloaders never seem to turn down handouts like that, though.
 
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These people were asked repeatedly to mow their lawn and didn't do it. They had no HOA to appeal to nor were they within town limits, so the town ordinances wouldn't apply. So my FIL offered to mow their lawn and the lazy fucks didn't even bother picking up the kid's toys. The freeloaders never seem to turn down handouts like that, though.

Was your FIL living on the other side of Waggy's old neighbors?
 

Howard

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These people were asked repeatedly to mow their lawn and didn't do it. They had no HOA to appeal to nor were they within town limits, so the town ordinances wouldn't apply. So my FIL offered to mow their lawn and the lazy fucks didn't even bother picking up the kid's toys. The freeloaders never seem to turn down handouts like that, though.
Are you not cognizant of the fact that they don't need to do anything, or are you just venting to me?
 

KaOTiK

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Maybe check your cities ordinances on stuff? I don't live in an HOA but my city does have ordinances in place for keeping grass below a certain length. I dunno if it just because I live in a tropical climate and tall grass is just a breeding grounds for stuff or what.
 

Nebor

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Are you freaking kidding me? You're seriously saying it was OK for him to spend his own money, time, and effort doing that because the lazy fucks living at the house (who were 30 years younger than my FIL) let the grass get 14" high and didn't feel like they should keep their house up because it might have "only" taken him 15 minutes? I don't care if it took him 10 seconds and cost a nickel -- that isn't the point.

Why own a house if you won't take care of it? Why have such little respect for your neighbors (who are obviously trying to sell their place) and most of all, yourself?

Yes, I'm absolutely OK with people wanting to do whatever they want with their property. You don't seem to be.

What's next? Do you want the government (or HOA) poking into your house to see if you like porn (that might lower the neighbor's property value) or if you live like a slob?
 

Brovane

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I live in a HOA. Around here in South Orange County there isn't many options for non HOA properties. The HOA for Condos and townhomes I usually consider are the worse. Especially if you are dealing with a HOA with only a few hundred units. It doesn't take much for some nuts to get into the board. I live in house and the HOA has 3000+ houses in it so they are usually fairly mellow. My dues are around $70 a month which isn't bad. However in other parts of Orange County I have heard the HOA get a little nuts sometimes.
 

MegaVovaN

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You made an error in your arithmetic. When you estimated that the blocks were 0.5 meters per side, you thought that meant the volume was 0.5 cubic meters. In reality, it's 0.125 cubic meters, giving a weight of 137.5 kg or 302.5 pounds. Even if they're 2/3 of a meter per side, which looks to me like a good upper estimate, that's only 325 kg or 715 pounds. A lever should probably do the trick, though he'd want to put down some carpet to avoid damaging the driveway and (lol) getting in trouble with his HOA.

Kind sir, thank you for pointing out my mistake. I feel like a noob, but the point is there... At 700 lbs or less one can probably pull/twist/drag these cubes (just one, actually) out of the way without any tools.
If have another pair of hands, even better.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Sep 22, 2007
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Are you not cognizant of the fact that they don't need to do anything, or are you just venting to me?

Oh, I know that they didn't have to do anything because they didn't have an HOA or a city to enforce it -- I am venting and giving an example of a situation why HOAs came about. It goes back to being a good neighbor and having respect for others. Because of the lack of respect many people don't have for their neighbors, HOAs came into existence.

Look, I know many HOAs go way overboard, but the conversation seems to be one-sided and my point is that they came about for a reason and not all are bad. I gave an example where I wish mine were a little more involved. At any rate, when you buy a house, you have a copy of the HOA's charter and must agree to it when you buy the house. Don't like it? Don't buy the house. In my case, my HOA isn't overly restrictive and for the most part, I am happy with it because it is fairly cheap and they do a decent job of maintaining our common area (playground/picnic building, dog playground, etc..

You guys need to understand that when you sell a property, your neighbor's property does, in fact, have a large impact on your ability to sell. If you sell your property and the neighbor has 13" grass, 2 rusting cars on blocks in the driveway, and garbage/kids shit in the front lawn, guess what happens? You probably aren't going to sell your house or if you do, the buyer is going to try to talk you way down. And it doesn't even have to be your neighbor -- if you're going for a HELOC, for example, they often will use neighboring home sales to help appraise your house. So a trashy home a few houses down the street could impact your home value if you're going for a loan.
 
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IndyColtsFan

Lifer
Sep 22, 2007
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Yes, I'm absolutely OK with people wanting to do whatever they want with their property. You don't seem to be.

I'm not OK with buying a house in an HOA and having a neighbor violating the rules they agreed to when buying their home. Again, the rules are fully disclosed up front. Don't like it? Don't buy. Maybe my perception is a bit colored because my previous neighborhood started going downhill and I was tired of seeing trashy dumps. Luckily I got out without taking much of a hit but the only reason was because the lady who bought my old home had grandkids in the town and my neighbor referred her to me.

What's next? Do you want the government (or HOA) poking into your house to see if you like porn (that might lower the neighbor's property value) or if you live like a slob?

No, what I want is people to respect their neighbors. I shouldn't have to ask a neighbor with tall grass to mow it, nor should I have to tell someone to put up their ghosts and vampire decorations because tomorrow is Christmas. I understand that shit happens and you can't always get the lawn mowed on time or the decorations put away. I'm talking about the same people who week after week, year after year, have these same issues.

You guys saying "Oh, show your neighbor respect and talk to them" miss the point that a) you're probably going to make an enemy of the neighbor regardless and b) they're likely going to tell you to get screwed or ignore you. Offer to help the neighbor? Well look what happened to my FIL in the previous example -- they let him mow it and didn't even say thanks. Here is another case in point:

I have a neighbor whose back yard butts up to the side of my front yard. They have a mound in it that is typically a weed-filled mess and sits on the border of our properties. I'm not talking a couple of dandelions; I'm talking weeds that reach 2 or 3 feet tall. Anyway, I asked the neighbor if he would mind if we cleared the mound, landscaped it, and planted plants on it and maintain it going forward. He started making excuses and said we could plant around their "plants." Obviously, this guy didn't get it.

Since we weren't getting anywhere talking to him, my wife and I decided to plant tall decorative grass around it within our property to hide the eyesore. The clueless idiot got mad and couldn't understand that and came over to talk to me about it. "I saw you guys cleaning around the mound and planting. What do you want me to do?!?!" Seriously? That was his response? I told him "How about taking care of it or if you aren't willing, letting us maintain it?" More excuses, more waffling, and most importantly, more weeds. A year later, they got the hint and cleared it off, dropped a sheet of landscape fabric, and dumped mulch on it. Now, it has weeds all around the edges and looks crappy again. I talked to the guy, it did no good, we decided to hide it as best as we could, and the asshole gets mad and talks to me about it acting like an innocent victim.
 
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ponyo

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Cities will cite you if you park on the grass, don't mow your yard, or leave trash on your yard for extended period of time. You don't need HOA for that.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Cities will cite you if you park on the grass, don't mow your yard, or leave trash on your yard for extended period of time. You don't need HOA for that.

True -- assuming you're within city limits. But don't tell that to the "it is my property and I can do anything I want!" crowd.
 
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