I haven't decided yet if would rather be happy and stupid or depressed and enlightened. Stupid people are very happy. They laugh when they watch Friends while their brain oozes out of their ears. Enlightened people realize that life is hard and cruel and that the only thing to look forward to is growing old and dying.
Oh please. Your point was clear. You seem to believe that its some mythical state of mind that you can just "suck it up and get over it".
This wasn't your point? Okay. So what the hell is your point then? How is depression mostly crock?
You didn't want to talk about how how it is treated incorrecly often. You didn't want to talk about how it is overprescribed often to people who are not really suffering from depression. But rather simply that "depression is mostly crock." So now, please do tell how depression itself is mostly crock.
Yet more evidence that we need not understand people or a condition to be able to judge them for it!
Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
Oh please. Your point was clear. You seem to believe that its some mythical state of mind that you can just "suck it up and get over it".
It's not? Okay. So what the hell is your point then? How is depression mostly crock?
NOT how it is treated. Not how it is overprescribed. But please do tell how depression itself is mostly crock.
a) I do NOT doubt real depression DOES exist. I have never NOT believed that it isn't. Scientifically there is no doubt in my mind that there are cases of people with a chemical imbalance in their brain causing them to be depressed. Show me where I have EVER stated anything different.
b) Given point a), it is apparently clear that most people who believe that they are suffering from depression are NOT..and the article is proof of that. From that you can conclude that the average person who thinks they are suffering can suck it up and have it be done with. THAT makes the whole idea behind depression *mostly* crock.
If you are bothered because you are reading too much into my posts then perhaps you ought to seek help in one form or another.
Nocturnal
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Actually if you read the article and there are a few other articles going around it says that the placebo effect of the sugar pill eventually went away and they became depressed, again. While the others, who were taking an SSRI anti-depressant continued to show gradual improvement with their depression.
I just love how you have been trying to squirm your way out of this. Your point is still mute.
So what that "people who believe that they are suffering from depression are NOT." Does that again change the legitimacy of depression itself? All because there have been mis-treated or misprescribed people, does it make the problem any less legitimate?
Geez. When people have flu-like symptoms might believe that they have SARS. Oh but most often they don't and they are just overfearful. They should just stay home and deal with it normal, not actually seek medical opinion huh? They can just "suck it up" as this is usually the case. Of course this means the whole idea behind SARS is *mostly* crock also huh? It's just a mythical virus I tell yah.
I really love your post. You come in an tell people who may or may not be suffering from depression that they most likely are not, which may or may not be usually the case, and to just suck it up instead of seeking medical opinion and attention. Great advice man! :beer:
Oh yeah, I forgot your disclaimer. *Mostly*
And I love how you're overanalyzing every thing I say and turning it into something I'm not.
If I had a point, I'd stick by it. My stance about the subject when I first started this thread is the same as it is now.
At this point I don't even know what you're referring to
No it does not. Point out where I come even close to remotely stating anything like this. I sure as hell don't ever remember thinking it, and sure as hell don't remember saying it Ms. Cleo.
Maybe it's late, or maybe I'm dumb..maybe both. But I do not see at all what in the hell this has to do with absolutely anything. Both the flu and SARS undoubtedly exist. However there is a difference between "fake depression" and "real depression". I think that's understood to be fact.
Well you know if someone does in fact listen to what I have to say, and not only takes it with more than a grain of salt, but actually thinks to themselves, "Omg Syringer tells me to suck it up, that's exactly what I'm going to do despite what all my friends and family members say"..then f*ck them. They're screwed up well beyond hope anyways.
And if you honestly believe that anyone who is chronically depressed and would resist measures to cure themselves JUST because of a topic I started, then you may be facing problems much worse than depression..it's called stupidity, go get help.
Come to think of it though, I think I should've started a topic that said "The cure for depression is to give me $1 million..no $5 billion dollars, send it to me and I'll cure all your problems and you'll forever be happy". All I'd need is one person and I'd be set.
Gee, I thought your point was "Depression is mostly crock". Guess not.At this point I don't even know what you're referring to
I dont know maybe in the title where you said "Depression is mostly crock?" Can't even comprehend your own posts I see. It's true that people often misbelieve they have depression, but it again still doesn't change the legitimacy of depression. It is NOT crock, and it makes no sense to say it is *mostly* crock. How can you say something that exists is *mostly* crock? That just means someone was misdiagnosed, doesn't make the problem any less real.
Yeah you are dumb. You obviously cant' follow an anology. SARS is real, just like depression is real. All because someone believes wrongly that they have this problem, doesn't mean that it is *mostly* crock. Again, that simply means that they believed wrongly or that they were misdiagnosed. You don't go around saying SARS is *mostly* crock, that just makes no sense.
So again, what are you trying to say here? Either depression is NOT crock, or it is. There is no such thing as *mostly*. For some reason you want to count illegitimate claims of depression as real, I don't know why. Fact is depression is 100% real, it's just that people believe that they are suffering from this incorrectly often.
No but to someone that is possibly suffering from depression you sure as hell don't help. In fact, I would say that you make things worse as you and other people who just say "suck it up" encourage them to NOT seek help. A major problem with people who actually do have depression is that they don't go seek help, they follow the idiotic advice of people like you, and don't want to believe it themself. They lack the ability, the motivation, and more BECAUSE of the depression.
Your claim is not about how people are often overly and foolishly beliving they have depression. Your claim was not about how these drugs are not as legitimate as they are made out to be. Your claim wasn't about how people are often being mistreated. Your claim was simply "Depression is mostly crock" which again makes absolutely no sense.
Luv2chill, excellent posts!
I know I am a social creature, therefore I seek out the company of other people. I am fully aware that I need to be surrounded by people who love/understand/accept me. Even though I could allow my life to run away with me and I could spend all my time working, sitting in front of a computer, reading books, watching films alone, away from my fellow humans, I know how detrimental this would be for my mental and physical health. So I make an effort and invest time and energy in my friends and loved ones, for my sake and theirs. It is no wonder that I have basically never been depressed and I hardly ever stress about anything.
We should not turn our backs to our nature. The fact is that we are social beings, and as such on our own we are almost like fish out of water, I think. We might not choke to death, but there are few worse things in this world than a life of permanent solitude. There are 6 billion people on the planet, it is absurd that some should spend their lives in want of people that care for them.
I know I am repeating what has already been said before, but I think it needs to be said again and again!
I know I am a social creature, therefore I seek out the company of other people. I am fully aware that I need to be surrounded by people who love/understand/accept me. Even though I could allow my life to run away with me and I could spend all my time working, sitting in front of a computer, reading books, watching films alone, away from my fellow humans, I know how detrimental this would be for my mental and physical health. So I make an effort and invest time and energy in my friends and loved ones, for my sake and theirs. It is no wonder that I have basically never been depressed and I hardly ever stress about anything.
We should not turn our backs to our nature. The fact is that we are social beings, and as such on our own we are almost like fish out of water, I think. We might not choke to death, but there are few worse things in this world than a life of permanent solitude. There are 6 billion people on the planet, it is absurd that some should spend their lives in want of people that care for them.
I know I am repeating what has already been said before, but I think it needs to be said again and again!
Originally posted by: PliotronX
That's why my weapon of choice is Dr Pepper. It's time for my 1 o'clock
Yeah!
I quit drinking coffee 3 weeks ago.... Tim Hortons coffee everyday is bad.
Dr. Pepper is my ally now. :evil:
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You can't even use that to say "mostly". You can use it to say "sometimes" and any psychiatrist will agree with you on that. You're going to have a tough time selling to most shrinks that "depression is mostly crock".
Honestly people who say that you can "suck it up" have never experienced any real true depression so how can they say it? There are cases when a placebo will work and there are cases where psychotherapy will work. And there are millions of cases where a true chemical imbalance is the route of your depression and only by fixing that imbalance will fix it.
An entire industry and much of an entire medical community (depression being one of psychiatry's great and continuing problems) had not been built on people who fail to 'suck it up'. Anybody who has been down a road to real depression would find such phrases offensive, and rightfully so.
Honestly people who say that you can "suck it up" have never experienced any real true depression so how can they say it? There are cases when a placebo will work and there are cases where psychotherapy will work. And there are millions of cases where a true chemical imbalance is the route of your depression and only by fixing that imbalance will fix it.
An entire industry and much of an entire medical community (depression being one of psychiatry's great and continuing problems) had not been built on people who fail to 'suck it up'. Anybody who has been down a road to real depression would find such phrases offensive, and rightfully so.
in addition, it has made alot of us aware of how "un-unique" we are, we as individuals hold ideas, thoughts, opinions, passions, fetishes, etc.. and all to often we see that we, as net users, forum users, discover that we're not all that unique and your merely just another raindrop in the ocean...
- also in the process of that discovery we see with a few mouse clicks the social gutters of society/life... to minds that haven't reached maturity it's too much 'world' for one to absorb, children/young people can view things that in the past only a pervs/soldier/cop/M.E. would have been exposed to
I just want to share my two cents here. I have suffered from clinical depression for over 14 years. I was not medicated until 5 years ago and it changed my life!
I have been in such deep depressions that I would stay in bed for 3 - 4 days at a time. I have tried many medications and thought I had found the "one", but unfortunately Prozac users like I was often come to a point where their medicine "poops out". Those were my doctor's exact words.
So, again I was medicated, but again suffering from a severe depression AGAIN!
I am now on Effexor XR and have had to change my dosage myself on a few occassions where I could feel myself slipping back.
I believe that some people are depressed, but they are not chemically depressed so medication is not necessary. People need to work through depression and not jump to a pill to fix their problems.
A lot of times therapy is all a person needs. People want a quick fix and assume a sugar pill is working and they begin to function better. These people are not chemically depressed and this study is not really realtive to actual persons suffering from clinical depression.
I think people should not jump to conclusions so quickly without having first hand knowledge of a subject.:disgust:
I have been in such deep depressions that I would stay in bed for 3 - 4 days at a time. I have tried many medications and thought I had found the "one", but unfortunately Prozac users like I was often come to a point where their medicine "poops out". Those were my doctor's exact words.
So, again I was medicated, but again suffering from a severe depression AGAIN!
I am now on Effexor XR and have had to change my dosage myself on a few occassions where I could feel myself slipping back.
I believe that some people are depressed, but they are not chemically depressed so medication is not necessary. People need to work through depression and not jump to a pill to fix their problems.
A lot of times therapy is all a person needs. People want a quick fix and assume a sugar pill is working and they begin to function better. These people are not chemically depressed and this study is not really realtive to actual persons suffering from clinical depression.
I think people should not jump to conclusions so quickly without having first hand knowledge of a subject.:disgust:
HomeBrewerDude
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Actually the article doesn't say a damn thing about the validity of depression as a mental illness. In fact, it says that depression is a real illness, with root causes lying in brain chemistry.
EDIT: Grammar
EDIT: Grammar
OK, I didn't stop reading, and I jumped to your post. And a fine post it is.
Have a good day there!
So, what kind of society are you striving for? Are you trying to imply that back in the old (nature) days there was a lot fewer depression?
One possibility for this is that people were too busy trying to survive off the land to become depressed.
I bet sugar pills are pretty cheap.
Perhaps the real lesson to be learned from this is that expensive medication leads to depression.
Perhaps the real lesson to be learned from this is that expensive medication leads to depression.
Lots of possible reasons, some of which are emotional some might actually be physiological. One example might be a change in brain chemistry caused by a change in mood of the recipient, based on a belief that he/she wants it to work.
That effect could be just as real as a more direct change by changing brain chemistry by application of a drug.
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