Please be clear. Are you saying the Democratic party isn't actively trying to polarize their base?
I'll grant you false equivalence is a fair complaint about some things. I won't grant it to you on this however.
I'll grant you false equivalence is a fair complaint about some things. I won't grant it to you on this however.
What issues are being used to polarize wishy-washy liberals, anyway?
Birtherism?
Fast & Furious?
Ben-fucking-ghazi?
IRS?
Gun Grabbers?
Sharia Law?
Voter Fraud?
Budget hostages?
Maudlin posturing over the killing of a US citizen who was engaged in civil war against an ally?
Hurf-burf over the successful negotiated release of an American soldier?
Blame shifting their failed military ambitions & disastrous domestic policy?
Or were you thinking about
Corporations are people?
Money has free speech?
Stabilizing financial reform?
Affordable healthcare for everybody?
Explosive inequality?
Expedient Senate action on Presidential appointees?
The scientific evidence proves in brain scans that the brains of conservatives and liberals are different, and that just those portions of the brains that are different have functional relationships cognitively that relate to just those differences. One difference is that the part of the brain that suppresses the influence of fear on the ability to logically reason is larger in liberal brains than conservative ones, and visa versa when it comes to reacting out of fear, but despite these proven scientific facts conservatives all reach for the equivalency argument, that conservatives and liberals are opposite sides of the same coin and equally but oppositely biased, which, again, science categorically disproves.
ivwshane
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Most of the "conservatives" are anything but conservative. They are right wing nut jobs who simply parrot other, richer, louder, right wing but jobs.
Sadly, real conservatives are a dying breed, either that or they go by a new name, "independents" perhaps.
Matt1970
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Two words: "self reporting". Just as libs think themselves "tolerant" when in fact many are hateful and intolerant of anyone that doesn't agree with their worldview (perfect example is the OP), this is just a reflection of how the various groups view themselves.
The libs view themselves as more willing to compromise. What isn't reflected in that survey is that to them, completely agreeing with them is to only way to "compromise". The libs view themselves as more willing to have people around them with different views, but that's obviously not the case.
This study is actually a reflection of how respondents view themselves rather than how they are.
The libs view themselves as more willing to compromise. What isn't reflected in that survey is that to them, completely agreeing with them is to only way to "compromise". The libs view themselves as more willing to have people around them with different views, but that's obviously not the case.
This study is actually a reflection of how respondents view themselves rather than how they are.
"Rape Culture!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Women make 77 cents one the dollar for doing the "same" work
Stand your ground
The 1%
War on women ("free" birth control)
Would that be like how liberals like to use illegal immigrant children as hostages to pass amnesty?
What's interesting is that you guys don't seem to see just how totally you are projecting onto those you view as your political opponents. From making the stimulus have a huge tax cut component, to adopting what was essentially a Republican plan for health care, to adopting what was essentially a Republican plan to combat climate change, to offering enormous spending cuts in exchange for revenue increases, etc, etc, there have been tons of efforts by the Democrats to compromise.
I think the other elements of this poll that show why the conservatives in here are so woefully misinformed: they generally associate with people and news outlets that already agree with them. That's how they are able to convince themselves that the 'other guys' are just as inflexible. That's how when they see conflicting information like this they say to themselves "well I already know they are just as uncompromising as me, therefore when they say they want more compromise they are lying".
You don't need to be a rocket scientist to see how the parties differ on this, just go look at their campaign ads. When liberals campaign for things they talk about what they can accomplish for people or what programs they want to implement. Conservatives are far more likely to talk about how they will stick to their guns, how they are true conservatives, etc. Not wavering is simply seen as a far more desirable trait on the right.
You mean the plan for which they could barely get enough moderate Democrats to sign on for it to pass?
War on women
Gun nuts/gun culture
Rampant racism
Militias
Koch brothers want to loot America
Religion
Hate gays
Dumb rednecks
Remember, something doesn't have to be false to be polarizing.
There is only one person in this thread with a brain defect. You just quoted him.
Newell Steamer
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Conservatism has been hijacked in this country. It is being held hostage by people who are literally robbing this country blind.
They are pretending to be conservatives, just to get their own goals accomplished.
They do not believe in fiscal responsibility. They are all about spending as much money as possible, with no controls, so long as the money spent is on their own interests; business and industries they have investments and stakes in.
They do not believe in living moral lives. Because they live by and are ruled by money. They are drug users. They lie. They misuse & misrepresent the image of Jesus. They are violent.
There is nothing conservative, about the groups that claim they are conservative - other than saying so.
I am surprised the true conservatives have not cleaned house yet.
They are pretending to be conservatives, just to get their own goals accomplished.
They do not believe in fiscal responsibility. They are all about spending as much money as possible, with no controls, so long as the money spent is on their own interests; business and industries they have investments and stakes in.
They do not believe in living moral lives. Because they live by and are ruled by money. They are drug users. They lie. They misuse & misrepresent the image of Jesus. They are violent.
There is nothing conservative, about the groups that claim they are conservative - other than saying so.
I am surprised the true conservatives have not cleaned house yet.
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I was thinking the plan that got the support of 100% of Senate Democrats and 87% of House Democrats, meaning it had over 90% overall support. The primary point being abortion and not the structure of the health care plan.
If you're not stupid you already knew that though.
Good ones, the budget showdown had slipped my mind. That is a perfect example of polarizing speech.
"We won't negotiate with 'hostage-takers'".
You know, except for actual hostage takers...
I hope you realize how bad a comparison it is between the prisoner exchange and what Republicans did with the debt ceiling.
Regardless of your political persuasion we should all be thankful the Democrats did not give in to the Republican demands on the debt ceiling. It would have unavoidably led to an unending series of crises.
Not this shit again. Why don't you stop blaming the Republicans for this train wreck? Your team could've passed Single Payer if you wanted. We can't help it that this is the plan moderate Democrats wanted.
Your real complaint should be directed at the Democrats who got fat off insurance lobby contributions, because those were the real winners under PPACA.
I have no idea what you're trying to argue:
First, the ACA has been far from a train wreck; it's working quite well so far. The number of uninsured is plummeting, medical cost inflation has been way below targets, more people signed up than expected, new insurance companies are jumping onto the exchanges, etc. I mean if this is failure what would success look like???
You realize I'm a big supporter of it, even though I would prefer single payer, right?
Second, you are actually supporting my point. Liberals wanted single payer, instead they compromised with a quasi-private solution. That's kind of the whole point.
dank69
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No, liberals compromised with those more conservative than them. Notably, conservatives tried to blow the whole thing up from the very beginning.
I mean how far does one need to contort themselves to say that a bunch of people who want a single payer system deciding to support a bill that explicitly disavows what they want is somehow not compromise?
It's definitely polarizing speech. The takeaway from this poll is not that only one side is polarized or that only one side engages in this sort of activity. It is that one side does so considerably more than the other.
Nebor
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This only works in the democrat's favor. Sure, in the short term it's a pain in their ass, but it's driving voters into the arms of the democrats. It's very likely that we've already seen our last Republican president in our lifetimes. And the Republicans can only do the gerrymandering dance so much longer to hold onto congressional seats. Demographics and changing attitudes are working against them.
Name a Republican who voted for passage of PPACA.
Democrats compromised with other Democrats. There is no other way to describe the situation.
There's only one person contorting here: the one trying to lay PPACA at the feet of the Republicans.
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