More evidence of asymmetric polarization

[ivwshane]

Let me know when they propose one OK?

Mandatory FFL transfers isn't "improved background checks" its a poll tax for guns.

Poll taxes on guns aren't illegal nor are they unconstitutional you stupid fuck!

 

[dank69]

1. The chart is about those who hold a 'very unfavorable' view. Not holding a very unfavorable view is not equal to holding a 'not unfavorable' view. This is basic English.

2. There is nothing in the study that shows those individuals hold the beliefs you are attributing to them.

Dumbass.

He should get this guy to teach him all about shades of gray.

 

[nehalem256]

2. There is nothing in the study that shows those individuals hold the beliefs you are attributing to them.

Well except for the fact that they are consistently liberals.

 

[ivwshane]

Okay, let's take your premise that it had bipartisan support. That gives us this:

Wife: Let's go to dinner and a movie.
Husband: That sounds like a great idea, but I don't think we can afford it.
Wife: Let's just put it on the credit card and worry about it later.
Husband: That's really not a good idea, let's find a compromise to pay for it.

Now, compare:

Wife (non-compromise): Okay, cancel your tee time and sell your golf clubs to pay for it.

Wife (compromise): Okay, why don't you just play 9 holes of golf this weekend instead of 18, and I'll get a facial instead of a full massage. That way we both sacrifice.



Well, if that's the case, then it wasn't really a bipartisan bill, was it? That means my first scenario should apply and again, Democrats failed to compromise.

Let me help you because even idiots need a bone every once in a while.

Republicans want balanced budgets and a smaller government.
Democrats want an efficient government and one that takes care of its citizens.

Democrats see a policy that they feel unfairly profits off its citizens for a commodity the US badly needs (an educated workforce).

Republicans see the same thing.

Dems propose a change in student loan interest rates.

Republicans dont want it because they see a revenue stream getting smaller and want a replacement for that revenue.

Dems write a proposal that lowers the interest rates and the revenue is paid via closed tax loopholes paid by the 1%.

Republicans say no and vote against it.

If arent getting it then perhaps putting a gun to your head might help.

 

[TerryMathews]

Poll taxes on guns aren't illegal nor are they unconstitutional you stupid fuck!

so only on voting? why? aside from the fact you hate guns.

 

[nehalem256]

so only on voting? why? aside from the fact you hate guns.

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Which I guess implicitly says its okay to tax any other right. Abortion tax here we come!

 

[ivwshane]

so only on voting? why? aside from the fact you hate guns.

It's specifically in the constitution you dumb fuck! You know that god damn piece of paper that also holds that sacred 2nd amendment you fight so hard for!

Do you know why the constitution was amended to prohibit a poll tax? Do you know why an argument using "poll tax" on guns is the most idiotic statement you can make? Here is a hint: voting is free and is supposed to be non discriminatory, guns aren't free and who buys them doesn't discriminate based on unchangeable factors.

Btw I don't hate guns, I hate gun nut idiots!

 

[irishScott]

To those challenging the findings, perhaps you could contest the specifics but you can't deny Conservatives are by far the most obstinate party. At least you can't if you've followed politics for 30 minutes in the last 6 years. The proof is in the pudding.

It's just confirmation of age-old common sense. Liberals are losers, and Conservatives are douchebags.

If you need some recent confirmation, Eric freaking Cantor was just bumped out for "not being Conservative enough". The Tea Party is slowly killing the Republican party; it has been shown that even between two utterly shitty-ass candidates (VA Gubernatorial Election) people will chose the Democrats over the Tea Party. There is no similar movement among liberals eating away at their moderates. The nation will shift left overall, no matter how much fire and bullshit the Tea Party throws. Sooner or late they'll be reduced to a meaningless fringe party, and yet their membership will still talk seriously about "taking back the country".

Also I'm a little pissed that I have to sacrifice pro-gun politicians for net neutrality, or vice-versa in the upcoming elections.

 

[TerryMathews]

It's specifically in the constitution you dumb fuck! You know that god damn piece of paper that also holds that sacred 2nd amendment you fight so hard for!

Do you know why the constitution was amended to prohibit a poll tax? Do you know why an argument using "poll tax" on guns is the most idiotic statement you can make? Here is a hint: voting is free and is supposed to be non discriminatory, guns aren't free and who buys them doesn't discriminate based on unchangeable factors.

Btw I don't hate guns, I hate gun nut idiots!

Guns can most certainly be free. For instance, if I build guns and give you a gun it's free. Now please explain how you can possibly square shall not be infringed with but it's okay to pay a tax on ownership.

 

[TerryMathews]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Which I guess implicitly says its okay to tax any other right. Abortion tax here we come!

I've been asking for a while if they would be okay with requiring the purchase of a tax stamp for abortions and maybe even opening an abortion registry never seem to take the bait though.

 

[ivwshane]

I've been asking for a while if they would be okay with requiring the purchase of a tax stamp for abortions and maybe even opening an abortion registry never seem to take the bait though.

Funny that you bring that up because as one of the democrat compromises to pass the ACA they agreed to not allow any federal money to go toward abortions!

Thanks again for another example of democrats compromising, moron!

 

[ivwshane]

Guns can most certainly be free. For instance, if I build guns and give you a gun it's free. Now please explain how you can possibly square shall not be infringed with but it's okay to pay a tax on ownership.

Sure guns could be free but voting will never have a price attached to it.

As far as infringing on 2nd amendment I don't need to square anything, that's the job of the supreme court, take up your issue with them.

 

[Cozarkian]

Funny that you bring that up because as one of the democrat compromises to pass the ACA they agreed to not allow any federal money to go toward abortions!

Sigh, that's not an example of a compromise. Compromise requires a bargain, or give and take. Merely agreeing to take less than you want is not a compromise. For example, this is not a compromise:

Child: I want a candy bar!
Parent: No.
Child: Okay, I'll be happy with half a candy bar.

Nor is:

Democrat: I want the ACA.
Republican: No.
Democrat: Okay, I want the ACA, subject to the Hyde Amendment.

Thanks again for another example of democrats compromising, moron!

By definition, it is impossible for only one side of a disagreement to compromise. If the Democrats compromised, the Republicans also compromised. I don't see you acknowledging Republican compromises, which tends to suggest that the compromises you attribute to Democrats, are, like the example of the kid crying for a candy bar, not actual compromises.

 

[ivwshane]

Sigh, that's not an example of a compromise. Compromise requires a bargain, or give and take. Merely agreeing to take less than you want is not a compromise. For example, this is not a compromise:

Child: I want a candy bar!
Parent: No.
Child: Okay, I'll be happy with half a candy bar.

Nor is:

Democrat: I want the ACA.
Republican: No.
Democrat: Okay, I want the ACA, subject to the Hyde Amendment.



By definition, it is impossible for only one side of a disagreement to compromise. If the Democrats compromised, the Republicans also compromised. I don't see you acknowledging Republican compromises, which tends to suggest that the compromises you attribute to Democrats, are, like the example of the kid crying for a candy bar, not actual compromises.

Lol! How many republicans voted for the ACA? Thanks for highlighting their lack of compromising! Yeah fuck off.

 

[Dannar26]

I feel that most of the liberal posters here assert that the anti-gay, anti-abortion portion of the right is somehow demonstrative of conservative thought across the board. It's like the crazy social hold outs are inexplicably tied to the entire ideology.

All I see are liberals making absolute claims, and grunting about the hesistation from the right to go along with it.

Leftist ideas aren't tantamount to human progress. They're just empty calorie ideas that are palatable by the lazy bitter masses. Disagreement doesn't make conservatives hatefully regressive beings. It just means they don't feel comfortable about this country being legislated off the rails.

Hard work and personal accountability are the only things that matter. All I see are democrats discouraging both those things with every misguided notion on how to "distribute" success instead of requiring it to be earned.

I see no tolerance or compromise...anywhere.

 

[OverVolt]

The democrats will end up just as batshit crazy as the republicans, IMO. The republicans will have done it to them, yeah. But with no one they find credible to give feedback on their ideas, they are going to come up with some pretty stupid ideas.

 

[ivwshane]

I feel that most of the liberal posters here assert that the anti-gay, anti-abortion portion of the right is somehow demonstrative of conservative thought across the board. It's like the crazy social hold outs are inexplicably tied to the entire ideology.

All I see are liberals making absolute claims, and grunting about the hesistation from the right to go along with it.

Leftist ideas aren't tantamount to human progress. They're just empty calorie ideas that are palatable by the lazy bitter masses. Disagreement doesn't make conservatives hatefully regressive beings. It just means they don't feel comfortable about this country being legislated off the rails.

Hard work and personal accountability are the only things that matter. All I see are democrats discouraging both those things with every misguided notion on how to "distribute" success instead of requiring it to be earned.

I see no tolerance or compromise...anywhere.

Yep only democrats are making absolute claims! Not you though! You are too smart for that right?!

Holy shit!

It's takes maybe a minute to read what you wrote and to think about it and maybe a second to look in the mirror!

I at least can differentiate between a righty, a republican, and a conservative before I spew generalities. I'm also able to break down the difference between actual politicians, talking heads, and the parrots. But I guess that's a skill that not everyone has learned.

 

[ivwshane]

The democrats will end up just as batshit crazy as the republicans, IMO. The republicans will have done it to them, yeah. But with no one they find credible to give feedback on their ideas, they are going to come up with some pretty stupid ideas.

I agree and it's why I honestly hope the republican party can get back to conservatism as opposed to this other bullshit they keep pushing. I imagine that's near an impossible task though, especially when your party is represented by idiots and supported by even bigger idiots!

Sadly, I think John huntsman might have been the last true conservative politician.

 

[TerryMathews]

Funny that you bring that up because as one of the democrat compromises to pass the ACA they agreed to not allow any federal money to go toward abortions!

Thanks again for another example of democrats compromising, moron!

You obviously have no idea the analogy I was trying to make.

 

[TerryMathews]

Sure guns could be free but voting will never have a price attached to it.

As far as infringing on 2nd amendment I don't need to square anything, that's the job of the supreme court, take up your issue with them.

Better yet, if we never let you fools pass your poll tax than there is nothing to go to the Supremes over.

 

[ivwshane]

Better yet, if we never let you fools pass your poll tax than there is nothing to go to the Supremes over.

Lol, your first step would be understanding what a poll tax is


Hell, your first step should be understanding anything.

 

[TerryMathews]

Lol, your first step would be understanding what a poll tax is


Hell, your first step should be understanding anything.

I know what a poll tax is, and requiring someone to pay for an FFL to bless a private party transfer is very analogous.